Timeline Classifcation

[Boto von Ageduch]

I started a little wikipage on timeline (and discussion) classification:

http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/dok...cation_project

That may make it easier to find threads referring to a certain time or PoD.

Thoughts?
Criticism?
Commitments to contribute?

[Jasen777]

Well, the big chart looks interesting.

We already have a listing of timelines: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/dok..._and_scenarios

And a listing of commonly discussed PODs: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/pods/pods

[Thande]

Excellent idea, it dovetails rather spookily with a secret project I'm currently working on.

I've added a few of our bigger TLs to the table.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Thanks for your additions and your corrections, Thande.

@Jasen: Yes, I know about the two parts of the wiki you mentioned.
The collection of PoDs cosists of a few events which have a remarkable variety of potential aftermaths; moreover, the list is commented.

The timeline list encompasses those projects with an individual wiki page,
i.e. usually the few rather elaborate timelines in this forum.

In the "Timeline Classifcation", hardly any information is provided other than the link to the forum. It is merely an index, a work of reference, not a description.
But in exchange, it has room for small timelines and open-ended discussions, because filling in another link does not take a lot of time.

Summing up, the PoD and timeline lists are small boxes of chocolate truffles,
while with the "Timeline Classification" I had in mind a large high rack of basic food.

[Jasen777]

Sure, I didn't mean you that you shouldn't continue - I just thought it might be easier initially to look at the existent info on the wiki rather than searching the forum for new things to put in the chart.

[Thande]

One advantage this new system has over the existing wiki resources is that it organises our TLs by date of POD, like how Uchronia.com does it. And everyone likes a big table.

[MNP]

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

I started a little wikipage on timeline (and discussion) classification:

http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/dok...cation_project

That may make it easier to find threads referring to a certain time or PoD.

Thoughts?
Criticism?
Commitments to contribute?

The Link to Raptor of Spain goes to ISAAC'S EMPIRE!!! This is simply an observation.

Btw, I much prefer this list to the others, because my TL is on it in name only. Uh, I mean, because I like having all the information in chart form for easy comparison. I think this list rocks.

Also under effects you can put "Shurat replaces Shiaism as a major denomination of Islam, West Africa becomes Christian."
There will be some big ones later but I can't spoil for now.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Thanks for your hints and your commendation, MNPundit.
I'll remember the errors at my next editing visit. Meanwhile, you are of course invited to help yourself and change that line, insert more TLs of yours, and of other people ...


As to "effects": I think it's best to give one or two of the FIRST major changes in the TL to happen.

[Jasen777]

Someone snuck a Chinese one in on you. I think it'd be cool to have one chart for everything anyways (with subcharts as wanted). If that's possible and the sheer size doesn't cause a traffic jam on the information superhighway.

[MNP]

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

Thanks for your hints and your commendation, MNPundit.
I'll remember the errors at my next editing visit. Meanwhile, you are of course invited to help yourself and change that line, insert more TLs of yours, and of other people ...


As to "effects": I think it's best to give one or two of the FIRST major changes in the TL to happen.

Hmm... "Charlemagne Is Never Crowned Emperor" would be the biggest one early on. I feel really uncomfortable doing edits on stuff that relates to me, it's the wikipedian in me. One reason I don't have a profile! I'll keep the rest in mind though. That format has made more sense to me than digging through the other pages. Not to knock on other people, it's just a better fit for the way I organize stuff in my own head.

[Boto von Ageduch]

@ MNPundit:

Changes are done. There you go.

Thrown in a couple of new threads as well.

@Fortyseven: Thanks for contributing.

Originally Posted by MNPundit

I feel really uncomfortable doing edits on stuff that relates to me, it's the wikipedian in me. One reason I don't have a profile!

This is an argument I can understand totally. Maybe you can insert someone else's timeline instead. HINT! HINT!

Originally Posted by Jasen777

Someone snuck a Chinese one in on you. I think it'd be cool to have one chart for everything anyways (with subcharts as wanted). If that's possible and the sheer size doesn't cause a traffic jam on the information superhighway.

Um, so that's your preference?

When the table gets too unwieldy, I was planning on creating a page with links to several such tables, separated according to region, and if necessary, also time.

Beside the Emperor of China, DoD does not have a European PoD either.
I don't like to put a TL alone in an empty table, but two is company.

[Jasen777]

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

Um, so that's your preference?

Yes, but it's a wiki you don't have to what I say obviously...

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

When the table gets too unwieldy, I was planning on creating a page with links to several such tables, separated according to region, and if necessary, also time.

I meant have that and also one mega-chart (if practical).

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

I don't like to put a TL alone in an empty table, but two is company.

Might just be better to create the empty tables for the regions you intend at the beginning. If you make one for the Americas (or North America, whatever) I'll put some tl's in it.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Originally Posted by Jasen777

I meant have that and also one mega-chart (if practical).

I would like to have it that way if we could build a real database.
But as it's only independent text, we would have to maintain all separate files,
and I am sure they would diverge.
That defeats the purpose of it somehow.

Originally Posted by Jasen777

Might just be better to create the empty tables for the regions you intend at the beginning. If you make one for the Americas (or North America, whatever) I'll put some tl's in it.

OK, I had thought splitting is always easy. But I see your point that starting early is an advantage.

[The Kiat]

The PoD in my AHN Universe came later than 1568. It had to do with the Netherlands not dividing among religious lines like it did in our universe.

Just had to nitpick.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Originally Posted by The Kiat

The PoD in my AHN Universe came later than 1568. It had to do with the Netherlands not dividing among religious lines like it did in our universe.

Just had to nitpick.

Right you are. Please be so kind and correct the PoD date and PoD description in the wiki, willya? You might cut and paste the line for your timeline a bit further down in case the actual PoD comes later than 1588.

EDIT: I set up a quick poll to catch the prevailing opinions on the topic:
http://alternatehistory.com/discussi....php?p=2880002

[Jasen777]

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

I would like to have it that way if we could build a real database.
But as it's only independent text, we would have to maintain all separate files,
and I am sure they would diverge.
That defeats the purpose of it somehow.

That's a fair point.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Currently holding 67 items. When will we hit 100??

[Thande]

If we do have to split the table, I think it would make much more sense to split it by POD date eras (like the timelines pages already are) rather than region - after all most big timelines may have a POD in one region but that doesn't mean they will stay concerned with that region. Also the Europe and North American pages would get absurdly bigger than all the others.

[Boto von Ageduch]

Boy, the poll couldn't have ended more ambiguously.
So I think we should try to keep one table as long as possible - let's check what our wiki is able to take ...

So I removed the (ever ignored) heading with the "Europe" stuff in it and replaced it with something more general.

[LordInsane]

Originally Posted by Boto von Ageduch

Boy, the poll couldn't have ended more ambiguously.
So I think we should try to keep one table as long as possible - let's check what our wiki is able to take ...

So I removed the (ever ignored) heading with the "Europe" stuff in it and replaced it with something more general.

Hm, blast, forgot to vote for 'by time-period'... in any case, it seems you forgot to remove the 'for Europe' requirement.

The table existing below is meant for Europe and vicinity. For other continents or mega-regions, feel free to make a copy of the table and add it to this page. PoDs with doubtful assignment to a continent would then best be added to both tables.