Challenge: more conflict between Monarchism and Fascism

The fascists, despite being ultra-reactionary, largely despised the aristocratic and royalist classes they replaced, seeing as they failed their nations in WWI. How could there have been a more pro-monarchist, pro-Ancien Regime movement in Germany and other nations against rising fascist powers?
 
The fascists, despite being ultra-reactionary, largely despised the aristocratic and royalist classes they replaced, seeing as they failed their nations in WWI. How could there have been a more pro-monarchist, pro-Ancien Regime movement in Germany and other nations against rising fascist powers?

Have the fascists focus more on the left-wing side of their heritage. For example, if the Nazis had embraced the socialist part of National Socialism more, and the reactionary part less, the German military aristocracy would have been unlikely to have been so accommodating to them. Same with National Syndicalism in Italy.
 

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Have the fascists focus more on the left-wing side of their heritage. For example, if the Nazis had embraced the socialist part of National Socialism more, and the reactionary part less, the German military aristocracy would have been unlikely to have been so accommodating to them. Same with National Syndicalism in Italy.
Pretty much this. Get the Strassers or street brawlers like Röhm in power and there will be far less accommodation with the Junkers and the industrial cartel owners.

Same goes for Mussolini, who was under a great deal of pressure from the regional ras to take a more syndicalist line, which he halfheartedly attempted for all of two years before reverting control to Establishment elites and chiefs loyal to him personally.

The Italian Fascists actually became extremely anti-monarchist and anti-aristocrat after Mussolini was kicked out since now the Italian Establishment was fair game.
 
IMO the relations between monarchist-reactionary groups and fascists depended on the position the reactionaries were in.

Where they were in power and all was fine or at least bearable from their point of view, there they did try to keep the fascists from power. This happend for example in Romenia or Austria.

On the other hand, where the reactionaries/monarchists were desperate, enraged, and unable to change the situation on their own they tended to ally with the fascists: Germany, France, Spain

Italy is a case of its own, where Mussollini took power in an phase of confusion, on an rather bonapartist (something for everyone) agenda.
 
I have to say considering alternate fates for Austria(-Hungary) in the WWII era was the basis for this thread. So did the Austrian monarchy detest Austrofascism? Or did they detest Austrian National Socialism? Because I'm still interested in a Dollfuss vs. Hitler scenarion, atop the surviving Austria-Hungary vs. Hitler scenario.

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http://www.avalanchepress.com/Imperial_Planes.php
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The problem here is that fascists work with traditional conservatives against both individual liberalism and class-based socialism. So if you want some sort of Monarchist vs Fascist conflict you'll either need to a) turn the monarchy towards either liberalism or socialism, or b) remove monarchy as the traditional stronghold of conservatives. The first I could see done in say, Britain, and the second in a Germany where the Junkers hold less power than they did IOTL after the Great War. Outside of Europe a Brazil where the monarchy isn't toppled, which was in and of itself a fairly random and quasi-ASB event even IOTL, could see both a liberal monarch and conservatives who rally around capitalist barons of industry.
 
This probably isn't close to what you're looking for, but -- I've been conceiving of a failed ARW-TL where progress in the 19th Century* is split bw Social Monarchism ("social harmony through social hierarchy") and Bourgeoius Republicanism (rule by the fit citizen class), leading to a 20th Century synthesis that actually looks a lot like OTL Fascism...

Just thought I'd mention it.

*OTL, it was bw Liberalism and Socialism
 
Apocryphal:

This is history told by a masseur who sometimes snooped. The late Heinrich Himmler believed that his frequent, gnawing stomach pains could be relieved by massage. He went to a masseur named Felix Kersten, who now, through Himmler's thoughts-while-being-rubbed, tells what the peace might have been had Germany won.

Claiming to have been always firmly anti-Nazi, Dr. Kersten is a Finnish citizen who now lives and practices in Sweden. He declares that he treated Himmler (also Ribbentrop, Hess, Ley, et al.) simply to protect his own family. He was also instrumental, he says, in sending thousands of victims of German concentration camps to safety into Switzerland and Sweden. Documents reproduced in his Memoirs, and an introduction by Biographer Konrad (Hitler) Heiden, indicate that his claims are true. So also may be his reports of tall Nazi ambitions.

Samples:

¶ All the aristocrats in Europe were to be hanged. German princes & princesses would lead the way at a mass execution held in front of Berlin's Imperial Palace. The charges: sexual perversion, espionage, high treason.

The other plans are quite amusing to check out as well, in that they seem tabloidesque and probably did not happen.
 
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