Polish Eagle Over Moscow: Poland Joins Operation Barbarossa ATL

Polish Eagle Over Moscow: Poland Joins Operation Barbarossa ATL

Part 1: Deal with the Devil

On January 5th, German Foreign Minster Joachim von Ribbentrop arrived in Warsaw for high level talks with the Polish Government. Ribbentrop was tasked by Hitler with negotiating the return of the Corridor to Germany. At a meeting in Warsaw, he laid out Germany's demands: the return of the corridor and a rail line to East Prussia. The Polish Foreign Minster Beck expressed his willingness to consider it but cited the need for Poland to maintain access to the sea. Ribbentrop, in response to the Polish uneasiness, dropped a hint “You are stubborn on these maritime questions, remember my friend the Black Sea is also a sea!” The Polish Foreign Minster new perfectly well what this meant, Germany wanted Poland’s help to annihilate the Soviet Union and exchange they would be given the Ukrainian Black Sea Coast. After much deliberation the Poles, with heavy hearts, agreed to Germany’s demands. Ribbentrop had pulled off another diplomatic miracle; he had prevented a conflict with Poland and gained Germany a much needed ally in the East.

Soon after the January meeting, Poland also made aware of Germany's newest scheme to destroy Czechoslovakia. Poland had already helped Germany, the previous Fall, in weakening the Czech Republic. While German troops swept into the Sudetenland, the Poles had seized a number of small border territories including the rail town of Bohumin. This time around they would be given a larger piece of the pie, the entirety Carpatho-Ukraine Region, in payment for their good behavior The Germanic-Polish invasion commenced in March, 1939 and the Czech State ceased to exist.

These Polish moves greatly angered Stalin. The Soviet dictator had already revoked his non-aggression pact with Poland the previous November and now spoke openly of the need to readjust his Western border. These seemingly aggressive Soviet moves had greatly contributed to Poland's decision to deepen its alliance with the German Reich.
 
Looks like Stalin will probably start demanding buffer lands from Finland and Romania and possibly demand that the Baltic States become the Soviet Union's buffer States under her dominion as protectorates...

Poland and East Prussia will come under great potential threat once those states are force to yield to the great Red communistic steamroller...

And the Soviet Purges of the Soviet Army's Officers are still affecting them, right...
 
Poland getting Ruthenia will destroy good Polish Hungarian as well as German Hungarian relations!
 

Nocrazy

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Oh look, dead Poles. Lots of them.

More serious, Poland wouldn't be enough to destroy the Soviet Union.
 
Oh look, dead Poles. Lots of them.

More serious, Poland wouldn't be enough to destroy the Soviet Union.

German-Polish invasion of a weaker Soviet Union that does not have support of Britain/United States. Its not looking good for Stalin.
 
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takerma

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Oh look, dead Poles. Lots of them.

More serious, Poland wouldn't be enough to destroy the Soviet Union.

More then in OTL? Kindof hard.

No blockade of Germany, no help from Wallies, undamaged Polish economy working for Reich. No winter war to kick off reorganization of Soviet army.

Looking forward to the Plans of Barbarosa in this TL. Poland taking on the role of Army group South?

How can Poland hide its mobilization? it can not, so this will be a much more prepared Soviet defence.

Will USSR launch pre-emptive strike? It should, would make a lot of sense. They might also hit Ploesti with bombers to kick things off. Germans are not going to like that(if Soviet crews can find the place.. they are quite terrible at this point).

Looking forward to this.
 
More then in OTL? Kindof hard.

No blockade of Germany, no help from Wallies, undamaged Polish economy working for Reich. No winter war to kick off reorganization of Soviet army.

Looking forward to the Plans of Barbarosa in this TL. Poland taking on the role of Army group South?

How can Poland hide its mobilization? it can not, so this will be a much more prepared Soviet defence.

Will USSR launch pre-emptive strike? It should, would make a lot of sense. They might also hit Ploesti with bombers to kick things off. Germans are not going to like that(if Soviet crews can find the place.. they are quite terrible at this point).

Looking forward to this.

Glad to hear it:D
 
Polish Eagle Over Moscow: Poland Joins Operation Barbarossa ATL

Part 1: Deal with the Devil

On January 5th, German Foreign Minster Joachim von Ribbentrop arrived in Warsaw for high level talks with the Polish Government. Ribbentrop was tasked by Hitler with negotiating the return of the Corridor to Germany. At a meeting in Warsaw, he laid out Germany's demands: the return of the corridor and a rail line to East Prussia. The Polish Foreign Minster Beck expressed his willingness to consider it but cited the need for Poland to maintain access to the sea. Ribbentrop, in response to the Polish uneasiness, dropped a hint “You are stubborn on these maritime questions, remember my friend the Black Sea is also a sea!” The Polish Foreign Minster new perfectly well what this meant, Germany wanted Poland’s help to annihilate the Soviet Union and exchange they would be given the Ukrainian Black Sea Coast. After much deliberation the Poles, with heavy hearts, agreed to Germany’s demands. Ribbentrop had pulled off another diplomatic miracle; he had prevented a conflict with Poland and gained Germany a much needed ally in the East.

Soon after the January meeting, Poland also made aware of Germany's newest scheme to destroy Czechoslovakia. Poland had already helped Germany, the previous Fall, in weakening the Czech Republic. While German troops swept into the Sudetenland, the Poles had seized a number of small border territories including the rail town of Bohumin. This time around they would be given a larger piece of the pie, the entirety Carpatho-Ukraine Region, in payment for their good behavior The Germanic-Polish invasion commenced in March, 1939 and the Czech State ceased to exist.

These Polish moves greatly angered Stalin. The Soviet dictator had already revoked his non-aggression pact with Poland the previous November and now spoke openly of the need to readjust his Western border. These seemingly aggressive Soviet moves had greatly contributed to Poland's decision to deepen its alliance with the German Reich.

I think it is an intriguing concept if the Germans could somehow avert their isolation of OTL, but Poland down to the black sea..?

Inspired by your idea, I have an idea that only Hitler could have carried out:
When the Soviets decides they cant join in the attack in 1939 Hitler looses his nerves and postpones the offensive to 1940.
Winter war still happens where the Soviets perform miserably. During this Hitler meets his polish colleague and shows him the secret part of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Hitler says this is what is going to happen. We want the corridor, but you can get White Russia.

Poland then prepares lots of supplies on its eastern border (justified by the German aggressive rhetorics). Poland strikes first, and is then reinforced by the Germans that take full advantage of the shorter route to Moscow and forward supplies.
 
More then in OTL? Kindof hard.

No blockade of Germany, no help from Wallies, undamaged Polish economy working for Reich. No winter war to kick off reorganization of Soviet army.

Looking forward to the Plans of Barbarosa in this TL. Poland taking on the role of Army group South?

How can Poland hide its mobilization? it can not, so this will be a much more prepared Soviet defence.

Will USSR launch pre-emptive strike? It should, would make a lot of sense. They might also hit Ploesti with bombers to kick things off. Germans are not going to like that(if Soviet crews can find the place.. they are quite terrible at this point).

Looking forward to this.

I think the Polish mobilization will be interpreted as a defensive move and the Soviets will still want the Germans to strike first
 
The Germans will be starting further East from Poland's border

Where are they getting the trucks for it?

In any case since Hitler just neatly shot any chances for a Soviet-German pact in the head, Stalin's going to go back to seeking collective security with the Western Allies.
 
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I think the Polish mobilization will be interpreted as a defensive move and the Soviets will still want the Germans to strike first

Pretty easy, German coule do a fake invasion of Poland and the germano-polish forces could catch the soviet with their pants down.
 
Where are they getting the trucks for it?

Anywhere they want? Poland and Germany are not isolated in this TL, they can get them any where. Germany was even buying Ford Trucks before war broke out in OTL.

Polish railway system is going to come into play the most, in supporting the offensive anyway.
 
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Let the Death Hussars ride again!
 
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