What Would Happened to Nazi Moscow?

[Snake Featherston]

Originally Posted by BlondieBC

I think you are being sarcastic.

Someone else (Himmler, Speer) running the Reich, with Hitler being the symbolic leader is quite possible. And since he was a painter and old/sick men often revert to their childhood, the concept of him painting in the eagle nests is quite plausible. I can almost see a scale model of Germania and a few other major cities in his big room with the giant window with Hilter making modifications all day long to his plans. Meanwhile, the cities would be built with existing plans.

Except we're discussing Adolf Hitler who if he becomes a figurehead his deliberately rigging the Nazi system to work only when he's in charge starts seeing the system collapsing under its own rotten weight. Which is a different matter and might have been the only thing to save Russian civilization, namely that the Nazis were too prone on one-man rule to design any kind of succession process at all.

[aktarian]

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

No, he didn't even do that, and Hitler's disregarding his generals worked better for both Hitler and Nazi Germany than his listening to them did. Had he, for instance, listened to their intention for 1940 Germany would have been smashed right then and there.

He did. Often too late for German forces.

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

I've explained it three times already.

No, you haven't. You still need to explain how "destruction by Americans" applies to destruction by Spanish. Last time I checked those were two different groups.

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

Based purely on your say-so and complete inability to listen.

based on historical evidence you pretend doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

And once again when I repeat that their own goddamned thugs told them this shit couldn't work and Hitler didn't care, you'll ignore it because you're either incapable of listening or my words are too complex in phrasing. Which is it, so I can clarify this so you might actually listen to someone else in a discussion?

I'll listen when you explain how they were to both kill everybody and enslave the rest. Something you keep saying they'd do but refuse to explain how since they are mutually exclusive things.

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

And it's a cultural division based on the preposterous assumption that Anglos are the only real Americans when the Hispanics were there first.

Be as it may the distinction of North/Central/South America exists. Mexico is part of Central America.

[Enigmajones]

Originally Posted by aktarian

Be as it may the distinction of North/Central/South America exists. Mexico is part of Central America.

Not joining in the argument, but Mexico is an integral nation of North America. Its Canada, Mexico and the USA. But if you were to ask Mexicans, you would get the answer that they are merely from America, the single continent.

[Burton K Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

too much to quote

Forum threads are not a game that you win by crushing your opponents under the weight of stupid nitpicking derails and manufactured accusations. You've been told this a lot of times and it's not sinking in. Apparently being kicked over and over for it is not conveying the message.

You're kicked for a week. Again.

[zoomar]

Granted that the Nazi view of the world was governed by a host of illogical ideas, I actually find in fairly unlikely that Moscow or Lenningrad would be leveled and eliminated in a Nazi-wins WW2 scenario.

The Nazis will need administrative centers from which they will govern the occupied territories, plan for and implement the anticipated resettlement of racially acceptable germanic people into the former western USSR, and deport, enslave, or eliminate in other ways the local population that did not meet the racial tests.

I particularly think Lenningrad (St Petersburg) might be preserved, in part because of its association with the German empress Catherine, and Dutch-inspired architecture. It might even be given to Finland, if they would take it, or preserved/remodelled as a germanic gateway to the Eastern Lands.

Moscow, however is a different story. It's Russian heart might be razed, but it is too centrally-placed and would be too valuable as an administrative center. Think what the Spaniards did when they conquered Mexico City. Everything relating to Aztec rule and religion was razed, but it stayed the largest city in the valley of Mexico. No reason to let all those appartment blocks and so forth go to waste. Plus you need slavic slaves and servants to collect garbage and be nannies to all those nice aryan kids who will move in.

Of course in all places, any building or monument relating to uniquely Russian or Soviet eras will be destroyed. All those Orthodox cathedrals and shrines? toast. The Kremlin? toast. The Stalinist industrial complexes? Gone.

[Chris Oakley]

Originally Posted by anw_rev

I thought that would be the fate of Leningrad.

Actually, I think Hitler was contemplating doing that to both cities-- and he wanted to trash Kiev too.

[aktarian]

Originally Posted by zoomar

Granted that the Nazi view of the world was governed by a host of illogical ideas, I actually find in fairly unlikely that Moscow or Lenningrad would be leveled and eliminated in a Nazi-wins WW2 scenario.

The Nazis will need administrative centers from which they will govern the occupied territories, plan for and implement the anticipated resettlement of racially acceptable germanic people into the former western USSR, and deport, enslave, or eliminate in other ways the local population that did not meet the racial tests.

I particularly think Lenningrad (St Petersburg) might be preserved, in part because of its association with the German empress Catherine, and Dutch-inspired architecture. It might even be given to Finland, if they would take it, or preserved/remodelled as a germanic gateway to the Eastern Lands.

Moscow, however is a different story. It's Russian heart might be razed, but it is too centrally-placed and would be too valuable as an administrative center. Think what the Spaniards did when they conquered Mexico City. Everything relating to Aztec rule and religion was razed, but it stayed the largest city in the valley of Mexico. No reason to let all those appartment blocks and so forth go to waste. Plus you need slavic slaves and servants to collect garbage and be nannies to all those nice aryan kids who will move in.

Of course in all places, any building or monument relating to uniquely Russian or Soviet eras will be destroyed. All those Orthodox cathedrals and shrines? toast. The Kremlin? toast. The Stalinist industrial complexes? Gone.

That is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Though I think industry would be kept, what would remain of it anyway.

[Expat]

For a little circumstantial evidence check out the 1943 film, Munchhausen. There are extensive scenes in Russia with a beatific Catherine ruling over a barbarian horde from her civilized palace. It's clear (if ridiculous) propaganda: we're retaking Saint Petersburg for the Germans.