Just an inquiry: North America


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The POD, as described by the OP:
-The Battle of Saratoga ends in defeat for the Continental Army and the French end their unofficial support for the revolution. Within a few years, all major cities in the 13 Colonies were occupied by the British and the American forces were unable to match them in numbers or ammunition.

-In a final attempt to conserve liberty, Washington and the Founding Fathers called for the mass migration of all rebel forces, family members, and sympathizers into the wilderness across the Appalachian Mountains to escape King George's tyranny. They bring as much food, supplies, guns, and live stock as they can at one time. As much as 60% of the population of the east coast departed in numbers too large for the British to stop.

-Rebel forces from the southern colonies of Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia settled in the Appalachian Mountains. To bring harmony to the chaos, military leaders met in Boonesborough to establish a government capable of organizing a civilian army and fending off continued British incursions. After numerous British attacks, the seat of government was moved to Frank's Ford, farther away from the British border.

-Rebel forces from the middle colonies of Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey settled in the Ohio Valley. Rebel forces from the northern colonies of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire settled in the Ontario region. Being followed by British forces, leaders from both groups met in Detroit, a growing frontier town between the both of them. The town grew quickly and was renamed Washington in honor of the general, who also happened to be a influential leader and mediator with his kinsmen in the Appalachians.

-Although the British Empire never officially recognized the independence of the republics, the cost of fighting a guerrilla war in unknown,mountainous terrain with defenseless supply lines and a hostile population proved too much. A border was established and and troops were pulled out of the majority of forts within their territory.

-On half a dozen occasions the British invaded the republic, a couple times even succeeding in annexing them, but after every attempt the population would rise up again and expel the British forces.
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How it would affect the history of North America in general, especially issues like immigration and Manifest Destiny?
 
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States cut off from the the rest of world still at war with Britain, I don't really see them as feasible.
 

TFSmith121

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Saratoga?


fredonian_republics_reboot__ipad_idea__12__by_dafreak47-d78gvat.jpg

Here's the map created by DeviantArt user DaFreak47.

The POD, as described by the OP:

You can read more HERE.

How it would affect the history of North America in general, especially issues like immigration and Manifest Destiny?

Come on, Saratoga?

The British winning at Saratoga is up there with a successful ZEELOWE.

An unsupported offensive with terrible supply lines into the heart of the opposing state's population, where every step forward by the invasion force amounts to a drive into a salient, and - of course - the invasion force is outnumbered, made up of a mix of regulars, irregulars, and mercenaries who speak (at least) three different languages, and (by the way) the invasion force is led by an incompetent.

Yeah, that'll work.:rolleyes:

One can come up with multiple potential victories for the British in the Revolutionary War; Saratoga is not one of them.

Best,
 
Come on, Saratoga?

The British winning at Saratoga is up there with a successful ZEELOWE.

An unsupported offensive with terrible supply lines into the heart of the opposing state's population, where every step forward by the invasion force amounts to a drive into a salient, and - of course - the invasion force is outnumbered, made up of a mix of regulars, irregulars, and mercenaries who speak (at least) three different languages, and (by the way) the invasion force is led by an incompetent.

Yeah, that'll work.:rolleyes:

One can come up with multiple potential victories for the British in the Revolutionary War; Saratoga is not one of them.

Best,

No no it isn't. It is no where as implausible as Zeelowe. Yes a British victory at Saratoga was quite unlikely, but it was not as unlikely as Zeelowe, because river barges.
 
I assume that the creator of the map did not aim primarily for plausibility, but for the general look. After all, it is clearly inspired by the Boer Republics (South African Republic aka Trans-Vaal Republic; Orange Free State) with the Fredonians as stand-ins for the Boers.
 

Saphroneth

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Wouldn't a good start for the victory of the Saratoga campaign be the severe injury of Benedict Arnold? I mean, he was the primary general who actually beat the Brits...
 
I assume that the creator of the map did not aim primarily for plausibility, but for the general look. After all, it is clearly inspired by the Boer Republics (South African Republic aka Trans-Vaal Republic; Orange Free State) with the Fredonians as stand-ins for the Boers.

Yeah the map is great, i'd pay commission for that quality of a map. But the plausibility is something else.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
If we wanted to kitbash it into something workable, I'd say control of the lower Mississippi is essential - that means they're not landlocked by the British...
 
Love Deviantart maps. Done properly, they exude plausibility.

The American Republic and Appalachia could conceivably be created given the processes described by the map's creator, but it would be short-lived. Being completely land-locked and occupying the same territory occupied by powerful Indian groups (probably supported by Britain), the republics would soon become dependent on British or French good will and trade for survival. Since the British apparently don't have much good will, that means the American Republics must seek accommodation with France and/or Spain, depending on who currently owns Louisiana. They would never become a viable independent nation.
 
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