Seljuk Constantinople
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So here's a rough, probably implausible outline of something that came to mind.
No Manzikert, just periodic Turkic raids and some deals between Byzantine emperors and Seljuk Sultans. At some point an emperor uses a band of Christianized turks as his personal guard. Following the emperor's death, a power struggle ensues in the city, and you end up with the Turkish guard briefly in control of Constantinople with a puppet emperor. They are soon defeated however as another claimant storms in and usurps the throne, massacring the guard.
That's about as close as you can really get.
No Manzikert, just periodic Turkic raids and some deals between Byzantine emperors and Seljuk Sultans. At some point an emperor uses a band of Christianized turks as his personal guard. Following the emperor's death, a power struggle ensues in the city, and you end up with the Turkish guard briefly in control of Constantinople with a puppet emperor. They are soon defeated however as another claimant storms in and usurps the throne, massacring the guard.
That's about as close as you can really get.
Faeelin
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On the other hand, one of those times it was taking by starving barbarians led by a blind octogenarian.
Probably would require a more severe instance of Byzantine civil war, with Seljuk leaders being invited to help seize Constantinople for a certain claimant. Holding it will be an issue, however, considering that initially the Seljuks will be tremendously outnumbered in the region.
Well, most people were surprised by Dandolo's spring-powered battle armor...
that's a myth what really s crewed the byzantines was the scaling of the sea walls. The crusader fleet ha dsuperiority at sea so they managed to breach the sea walls before the ere could put up its chains and though Alexius V lead an attack it failed. Had his attack on the beachhead succeeded the 4th crusade would have for the most part failed if the crusaders were unable to breach the sea walls.
Faeelin
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I don't understand how it's a "myth." It sounds like you're agreeing Constantinople was sacked, but trying to say the 4th Crusade didn't count because it was sacked by people with naval superiority.
Faeelin
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Actually, one of the Seljuqs who established himself on the coast of Nicaea was building one...
I think what you need is no Byzantine revival post-Manzikert.
im just saying 4th crusade counts but it was done due to the naval component. Without that overwelhming naval superiority and byzantine incomppetance at the beach the crusade would have failed. That's all
Yes and in this case it proved devastatingly fatal to them unlike earlier. The turks lack this naval component. Consequently Turks cant take the city unless what slydesertfox says comes true.
Then again I can see a Turkish emperor since otl John Kantakouzenos traced Turkish and Greek descent.
Fair, but they had the benefit of facing the Theodosian Walls (as funny as that might sound). I can't see the Seljuks fairing much better than the first Arab siege.
Delvestius
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How about the blues and the greens didn't rebuild the wall fast enough before the Goths came, they massacred and burned everything and everyone, Constantinople never regained it's strength and kept getting sacked by barbarian hoards. It remained a shadow of OTL version and eventually the Arabs take it, who eventually loose it to the Turks. And then the Mongols.
EDIT: After checking my history, it was the Huns invading when the Theodosian walls were damaged by an earthquake, not the Goths.
EDIT: After checking my history, it was the Huns invading when the Theodosian walls were damaged by an earthquake, not the Goths.
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