Fascist Italy (Partial) Victory in WWII

This is a rough draft AH of a Fascist Italy managing to squeak out something worth having in WWII, I posted a couple different versions of this in a creative writing forum elsewhere until I was told about this place. I hope you guys like it.

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AU Fascist Italy Victory (Sort of) in WWII

Mussolini's dislike of Hitler was enough to convince him to pursuit a policy of official neutrality like Franco in Spain. Instead Mussolini opted to support the burgeoning German-Japonic Alliance as much as he could without officially joining them. Then after the war began in earnest and Hitler invaded France, Mussolini seized Corsica (mostly) bloodlessly while France was distracted to bolster support for himself, while at the same time sweet talking Spain and Greece into joining a 'Pact of Fasces' (despite Greece not being Fascist at the time, until Mussolini installed a puppet government), and made gains in Yugoslavia as the Germans launched their own invasion. Granted while Germany didn't have to bail Italy out of it's military misadventures in Ethiopia the Nazi's never the less discovered that conquering Russia in a land war would be Hell. While the Germans had more bodies to throw at the problem than in RL in the end the Russian winter, Stalin's sheer unwillingness to lose, and the entrance of America into the war spelled the end of Nazi Germany.

Once it became apparent that Germany would lose, Italy formally joined the Allies and managed to squeeze recognition over most of it's European conquests, primarily it's expanded Dalmatia region and Corsica (but had to pay France a hefty sum of money) it was required to let go of Ethiopia and it's other African claims.

The Soviet's managed to repel the German invasion, however they suffered even heavier losses and as a result weren't able to advance as swiftly, the Allies managed to beat them to Berlin. It was in Warsaw that the Soviet and Allied Generals formally shook hands, as a result it was Poland that wound up being split into two de facto countries, both claiming to be the 'true' Polish government. West Poland was the first to join NATO, East Poland became a Soviet satellite.

German was divided into four zones, split between America, Britain, France, and Italy, and it was under Mussolini's suggestion that Germany be broken up into three different countries, Rhineland, Bavaria, and Brandenburg.

Despite being a late-comer to the Allies, Italy was in a much stronger position than most of Europe's nations. Being the only 'Great Power' that was largely unravaged on the home front. Mussolini parlayed this strength to gain much, though he was denied his ambition for a permanent seat in the security council of the newly formed 'United Nations' due to the objections of France and the Soviet Union.

On the Italian political side of things during the war, Mussolini 'convinced' Victor Emmanuel III to abdicate in favor of his son Umberto II (who was more pliable), Mussolini ruled as Il Duce much as Franco ruled in Spain.
In order to solidify his holdings, Mussolini launched a policy of colonization in his new possessions, most importantly launching a fresh wave of Italian settlements and Italianification in the newly formed Duchy of Dalmatia, (RL Croatia, portions of RL Bosnia, and Kotor Bay in RL Montenegro). By the sixties Italians made up a full 27% of the population.

On a global scale the Fascist movement was still seen as a viable form of government due to Mussolini's successful disassociation with Hitler and his racist policies, the final seal on that division came about by Italy's support for the formation of Israel, being the third nation to recognize it's existence (just after America and the USSR).

The Fasces Alliance of Italy, Spain, and Greece continued to exist but also joined NATO in order to gain stronger protection from the USSR. Italy also allowed the United States to place military bases in Dalmatia in order to better deter Soviet adventurism or a possible invasion from the newly created Communist Yugoslavia.

After World War II Benito Mussolini continued to rule Italy with the only forces of resistance being the Soviet sponsored nationalist/communist groups in Dalmatia.

After Mussolini's death and burial with full honors in 1962, under a combination of pressure for the United States (at this point viewing Italy's fascist government as an embarrassment) and internal pressure from a nascent youth movement, Umberto II abdicated in favor of his son Victor Emmanuel IV who stunned the aging Fascists in government by using emergency powers to restore democracy in Italy. And while there was one serious attempt at a Fascist coup, it failed spectacularly when Victor Emmanuel delivered an emergency address via live television, ordering the Italian Royal Army to obey the nascent democratic government.

The other two members of the 'Pact of Fasces' followed two different paths. Greece remained Fascist for an extra decade before a botch invasion of Cyprus resulted in the Greek Fascist regime being overthrown. Cyprus had gained independence from Fascist Greece due to the arrival of George II and the Grecian royal family, they ruled Cyprus through a government in exile with the (ironic) support of Turkey. In order to bolster support for itself in the seventies, the Greek Fascists launched an invasion that was ultimately repelled by a combined Cypriot-Turkish force. Once news of the defeat reach the mainland a spontaneous demonstration in Athens sparked a wildfire of demonstrations that resulted in the Fascists being ousted. After a few months of negotiations it was agreed that Greece would adopted a republican government while Cyprus would retain it's constitutional monarchy, Constantine II abandoned his title King of the Hellenes and become Constantine I, King of the Cypriots.

In Spain, Francisco Franco reigned with an iron grip until his death in 1975, however seeing what had happened in Italy and Greece he decided to install the Carlist pretender, Xavier, Duke of Parma as the next King of Spain. Francisco Javier I took the Spanish throne and attempted to reign as an absolute monarch but barely lasted seven months before a military coup saw his abdication and exile overseas. The military quickly fell into factions and the nation began to slide into chaos, a five year civil war followed. The Second Spanish Civil War was brief in comparison to the First, and while not as devastating, the end result was the secessions of Basque County and Catalonia, and the creation of the Third Spanish Republic.


In modern times Italy is a constitutional monarchy, more conservative due to strong ties between the Catholic Church and the government, but with a growing population of young liberals that are sickened by endemic corruption in the government, a more stable economy than in RL. Italy of course has more territory, the largest being the Dominion of Dalmatia and Croatia, a multiethnic region with large populations of Croats, Italians, Bosnians, and minorities of Serbs.

The Dominion of Dalmatia and Croatia was formed two years after the democratic restoration due to agitation from the native ethnic groups of Croats and Bosnians, partially modeled after the British Commonwealth, the Dominion shares a monarch with Italy and has some internal powers but the Italian government still runs it's military, foreign affairs, and most of it's economy. Italians, those with Italian ancestry, and Croats and Bosnians who at least partially identify with the Italian culture (or just support the status quo) number at roughly 57% (this was at 90% during the violent breakup of Yugoslavia), actual Italians are somewhere around 44%.

Modern foreign relations includes strong relations between Italy and it's NATO allies, Italy has easily the best relations in Europe with Israel, often taking Israel's side along with the United States in many matters. Relations between Italy and France are much better, though some French nationalists still agitation for 'the return' of Corsica.

There are still territorial disputes with the former Yugoslav republics of Bosnia and the Union of Serbia and Montenegro over the Dominion. The Kingdom of Italy was among the first nations to recognize the newly established Federal Republic of Germany in Sept. of 2002 (consisting of the Rhineland and Brandenburg, Bavaria opted to remain it's own nation). And of course recognized the reunified Republic of Poland during the 80's when Communism began to collapse.

Fascism, despite having fallen apart in Europe is much stronger than in RL and is still viewed as a viable form of government, sadly this means that dictatorships worldwide have an ideological justification for their policies. Even authoritarian governments that officially condemn Fascism still draw from it's theories and practices.
Mussolini is very much a controversial figure in Italy, but is still revered by many due to his successful reign and is considered to be on par with the other brilliant leaders in WWII.
 

Ryan

Donor
Once it became apparent that Germany would lose, Italy formally joined the Allies and managed to squeeze recognition over most of it's European conquests, primarily it's expanded Dalmatia region and Corsica (but had to pay France a hefty sum of money) it was required to let go of Ethiopia and it's other African claims.

I can't see the allies recognising Italy's conquests in Europe. at best it would probably be able to hold onto Libya.

The Soviet's managed to repel the German invasion, however they suffered even heavier losses and as a result weren't able to advance as swiftly, the Allies managed to beat them to Berlin. It was in Warsaw that the Soviet and Allied Generals formally shook hands, as a result it was Poland that wound up being split into two de facto countries, both claiming to be the 'true' Polish government. West Poland was the first to join NATO, East Poland became a Soviet satellite
German was divided into four zones, split between America, Britain, France, and Italy, and it was under Mussolini's suggestion that Germany be broken up into three different countries, Rhineland, Bavaria, and Brandenburg.

if the wallies are doing better than the soviets then the Nazi's would send more forces west to equal it out. the only way the wallies end up in berlin and Poland is if the Nazi's consciously allow them to get there first.

also, there's no way the soviets would accept not having a german zone. it is, afterall, the country they've been fighting for the past 4 years and paid the most for it by far.
 
I can't see the allies recognising Italy's conquests in Europe. at best it would probably be able to hold onto Libya.

I was toying with the idea that Italy was in a strong enough position to bargain, especially with the Soviet Union setting up it's communist puppet states.



if the wallies are doing better than the soviets then the Nazi's would send more forces west to equal it out. the only way the wallies end up in berlin and Poland is if the Nazi's consciously allow them to get there first.

also, there's no way the soviets would accept not having a german zone. it is, afterall, the country they've been fighting for the past 4 years and paid the most for it by far.

I hadn't thought about the first one, but I assumed that Italy joining the Allies was something that Hitler had never planned on or expected, so he didn't have a plan for it when it did happen.

On the Soviet's not having a German zone, I was going with the idea that since they didn't 'reach' Germany, they didn't get to have a zone. East Poland was a consolation prize of sorts.
 
Italy could theoretically gain bits and bobs of Ethiopia if the Hoare-Laval plan doesn't get leaked to the public, I suppose.
 
How? France was plenty distracted in OTL and Italy never came close to seizing Corsica.

In RL Corsica fell under Vichy France's rule, which was Nazi Germany's puppet state and Italy's ally. In this timeline Italy isn't officially allied with Germany, so while the French homeland fell I pictured Mussolini seizing the moment and sending in a 'defense force' for Corsica and made promises to the local authorities that he ultimately didn't keep.

It's a rough draft so it's vague, I'll admit.
 

Ryan

Donor
I was toying with the idea that Italy was in a strong enough position to bargain, especially with the Soviet Union setting up it's communist puppet states.

I understand, but Italy isn't a superpower. it doesn't have the strength to oppose USA+UK (+France who will never accept Italy taking Corsica)

I hadn't thought about the first one, but I assumed that Italy joining the Allies was something that Hitler had never planned on or expected, so he didn't have a plan for it when it did happen.

On the Soviet's not having a German zone, I was going with the idea that since they didn't 'reach' Germany, they didn't get to have a zone. East Poland was a consolation prize of sorts.

Stalin will tell the wallies to go fuck themselves if they don't let him have a chunk of Germany. the soviets were the ones who suffered the most in the war BY FAR. they also destroyed the Wehrmacht and could similarly destroy the wallies forces to get it's share of the German pie.
 
I understand, but Italy isn't a superpower. it doesn't have the strength to oppose USA+UK (+France who will never accept Italy taking Corsica)



Stalin will tell the wallies to go fuck themselves if they don't let him have a chunk of Germany. the soviets were the ones who suffered the most in the war BY FAR. they also destroyed the Wehrmacht and could similarly destroy the wallies forces to get it's share of the German pie.

So Italy would have to give up Corsica, but I can still picture it being able to retain (at least some) of it's gains in Yugoslavia, something that'd serve as a counterweight to the Soviet Union.

On Germany... So maybe it would be divided into Five zones? Or an Italian Zone was something that Mussolini pushed for but didn't get?
 
Maybe Italy gets to occupy Austria fully instead of the country being divided into zones like Germany. Maybe set up a fascist puppet state.
 
Stalin will tell the wallies to go fuck themselves if they don't let him have a chunk of Germany. the soviets were the ones who suffered the most in the war BY FAR. they also destroyed the Wehrmacht and could similarly destroy the wallies forces to get it's share of the German pie.

Maybe Stalin ends up with East Prussia?
 
This is a rough draft AH of a Fascist Italy managing to squeak out something worth having in WWII, I posted a couple different versions of this in a creative writing forum elsewhere until I was told about this place. I hope you guys like it.

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AU Fascist Italy Victory (Sort of) in WWII

Mussolini's dislike of Hitler was enough to convince him to pursuit a policy of official neutrality like Franco in Spain. Instead Mussolini opted to support the burgeoning German-Japonic Alliance as much as he could without officially joining them. Then after the war began in earnest and Hitler invaded France, Mussolini seized Corsica (mostly) bloodlessly while France was distracted to bolster support for himself, while at the same time sweet talking Spain and Greece into joining a 'Pact of Fasces' (despite Greece not being Fascist at the time, until Mussolini installed a puppet government), and made gains in Yugoslavia as the Germans launched their own invasion. Granted while Germany didn't have to bail Italy out of it's military misadventures in Ethiopia the Nazi's never the less discovered that conquering Russia in a land war would be Hell. While the Germans had more bodies to throw at the problem than in RL in the end the Russian winter, Stalin's sheer unwillingness to lose, and the entrance of America into the war spelled the end of Nazi Germany.

1) An Italian invasion of Corsica would draw them into war against the UK. Although they might be able to convince Hitler to force the French to give it up after their defeat.

Once it became apparent that Germany would lose, Italy formally joined the Allies and managed to squeeze recognition over most of it's European conquests, primarily it's expanded Dalmatia region and Corsica (but had to pay France a hefty sum of money) it was required to let go of Ethiopia and it's other African claims.

The Allies aren't going to force them to give up their African territory or even dalmatia. If anything, it would be Corsica.

The Soviet's managed to repel the German invasion, however they suffered even heavier losses and as a result weren't able to advance as swiftly, the Allies managed to beat them to Berlin. It was in Warsaw that the Soviet and Allied Generals formally shook hands, as a result it was Poland that wound up being split into two de facto countries, both claiming to be the 'true' Polish government. West Poland was the first to join NATO, East Poland became a Soviet satellite.

German was divided into four zones, split between America, Britain, France, and Italy, and it was under Mussolini's suggestion that Germany be broken up into three different countries, Rhineland, Bavaria, and Brandenburg.

Even if the Soviets don't make it through Poland, they will get an occupation zone in Germany as they're doing the heavy lifting.

Despite being a late-comer to the Allies, Italy was in a much stronger position than most of Europe's nations. Being the only 'Great Power' that was largely unravaged on the home front. Mussolini parlayed this strength to gain much, though he was denied his ambition for a permanent seat in the security council of the newly formed 'United Nations' due to the objections of France and the Soviet Union.

Before the war, Mussolini was promised a Great Power seat at all peace conferences and ad a permanent seat in the League of Nations, so they're definitely going to get a Permanent seat. Not least of all that they're natural enemies of communists.

On the Italian political side of things during the war, Mussolini 'convinced' Victor Emmanuel III to abdicate in favor of his son Umberto II (who was more pliable), Mussolini ruled as Il Duce much as Franco ruled in Spain.
In order to solidify his holdings, Mussolini launched a policy of colonization in his new possessions, most importantly launching a fresh wave of Italian settlements and Italianification in the newly formed Duchy of Dalmatia, (RL Croatia, portions of RL Bosnia, and Kotor Bay in RL Montenegro). By the sixties Italians made up a full 27% of the population.

On a global scale the Fascist movement was still seen as a viable form of government due to Mussolini's successful disassociation with Hitler and his racist policies, the final seal on that division came about by Italy's support for the formation of Israel, being the third nation to recognize it's existence (just after America and the USSR).

The Fasces Alliance of Italy, Spain, and Greece continued to exist but also joined NATO in order to gain stronger protection from the USSR. Italy also allowed the United States to place military bases in Dalmatia in order to better deter Soviet adventurism or a possible invasion from the newly created Communist Yugoslavia.

Benny the Moose wouldn't let the Americans have military bases in his land and likely wouldn't join NATO.

After World War II Benito Mussolini continued to rule Italy with the only forces of resistance being the Soviet sponsored nationalist/communist groups in Dalmatia.

After Mussolini's death and burial with full honors in 1962, under a combination of pressure for the United States (at this point viewing Italy's fascist government as an embarrassment) and internal pressure from a nascent youth movement, Umberto II abdicated in favor of his son Victor Emmanuel IV who stunned the aging Fascists in government by using emergency powers to restore democracy in Italy. And while there was one serious attempt at a Fascist coup, it failed spectacularly when Victor Emmanuel delivered an emergency address via live television, ordering the Italian Royal Army to obey the nascent democratic government.

I'm not sure that would happen. Mussolini had wide spread support before World War 2. An Italy that avoided WW2 for the most part and came out stronger would likely only strengthen the fascist movement.

The other two members of the 'Pact of Fasces' followed two different paths. Greece remained Fascist for an extra decade before a botch invasion of Cyprus resulted in the Greek Fascist regime being overthrown. Cyprus had gained independence from Fascist Greece due to the arrival of George II and the Grecian royal family, they ruled Cyprus through a government in exile with the (ironic) support of Turkey. In order to bolster support for itself in the seventies, the Greek Fascists launched an invasion that was ultimately repelled by a combined Cypriot-Turkish force. Once news of the defeat reach the mainland a spontaneous demonstration in Athens sparked a wildfire of demonstrations that resulted in the Fascists being ousted. After a few months of negotiations it was agreed that Greece would adopted a republican government while Cyprus would retain it's constitutional monarchy, Constantine II abandoned his title King of the Hellenes and become Constantine I, King of the Cypriots.

In Spain, Francisco Franco reigned with an iron grip until his death in 1975, however seeing what had happened in Italy and Greece he decided to install the Carlist pretender, Xavier, Duke of Parma as the next King of Spain. Francisco Javier I took the Spanish throne and attempted to reign as an absolute monarch but barely lasted seven months before a military coup saw his abdication and exile overseas. The military quickly fell into factions and the nation began to slide into chaos, a five year civil war followed. The Second Spanish Civil War was brief in comparison to the First, and while not as devastating, the end result was the secessions of Basque County and Catalonia, and the creation of the Third Spanish Republic.

In modern times Italy is a constitutional monarchy, more conservative due to strong ties between the Catholic Church and the government, but with a growing population of young liberals that are sickened by endemic corruption in the government, a more stable economy than in RL. Italy of course has more territory, the largest being the Dominion of Dalmatia and Croatia, a multiethnic region with large populations of Croats, Italians, Bosnians, and minorities of Serbs.

The Dominion of Dalmatia and Croatia was formed two years after the democratic restoration due to agitation from the native ethnic groups of Croats and Bosnians, partially modeled after the British Commonwealth, the Dominion shares a monarch with Italy and has some internal powers but the Italian government still runs it's military, foreign affairs, and most of it's economy. Italians, those with Italian ancestry, and Croats and Bosnians who at least partially identify with the Italian culture (or just support the status quo) number at roughly 57% (this was at 90% during the violent breakup of Yugoslavia), actual Italians are somewhere around 44%.

Modern foreign relations includes strong relations between Italy and it's NATO allies, Italy has easily the best relations in Europe with Israel, often taking Israel's side along with the United States in many matters. Relations between Italy and France are much better, though some French nationalists still agitation for 'the return' of Corsica.

There are still territorial disputes with the former Yugoslav republics of Bosnia and the Union of Serbia and Montenegro over the Dominion. The Kingdom of Italy was among the first nations to recognize the newly established Federal Republic of Germany in Sept. of 2002 (consisting of the Rhineland and Brandenburg, Bavaria opted to remain it's own nation). And of course recognized the reunified Republic of Poland during the 80's when Communism began to collapse.

Fascism, despite having fallen apart in Europe is much stronger than in RL and is still viewed as a viable form of government, sadly this means that dictatorships worldwide have an ideological justification for their policies. Even authoritarian governments that officially condemn Fascism still draw from it's theories and practices.
Mussolini is very much a controversial figure in Italy, but is still revered by many due to his successful reign and is considered to be on par with the other brilliant leaders in WWII.

This is all very interesting.
 
I can actually see Italy making territorial gains at the expense of (Vichy) France, especially colonially. Japan occupied Indochina without much fuss for example. Italy might do the same to Tunisia or Somolian territories. A major war with Vichy France, like what would be needed to seize Corsica, might be what draws Italy into WW2 proper. Vichy might look to Hitler for support and join the Axis. France in the Axis and Italy fighting the Axis is a neat way to have Italian conquests validated and French post-war power reduced.

Alternatively, Italian attempts to exploit the power vacuum in the Mediterranean are met with embargos and diplomatic isolation the same as Japan was in the Pacific. Italy would probably fair better than Japan did. It doesn't have the same hyper-aggressive warrior cult, nor is Italy fighting a land war in Asia. With clever diplomacy it could be a respectable great power post WW2, or it could be a regular old tin-pot military dictatorship brought down by continual communist bush wars.
 
1) An Italian invasion of Corsica would draw them into war against the UK. Although they might be able to convince Hitler to force the French to give it up after their defeat.



The Allies aren't going to force them to give up their African territory or even dalmatia. If anything, it would be Corsica.



Even if the Soviets don't make it through Poland, they will get an occupation zone in Germany as they're doing the heavy lifting.



Before the war, Mussolini was promised a Great Power seat at all peace conferences and ad a permanent seat in the League of Nations, so they're definitely going to get a Permanent seat. Not least of all that they're natural enemies of communists.



Benny the Moose wouldn't let the Americans have military bases in his land and likely wouldn't join NATO.



I'm not sure that would happen. Mussolini had wide spread support before World War 2. An Italy that avoided WW2 for the most part and came out stronger would likely only strengthen the fascist movement.



This is all very interesting.

Like I posted in the beginning (one of my very first posts here in fact) was that this was very rough-draft. I can see the flaws even moreso now, but the concept of Fascist Italy doing better in WWII is one worth exploring, I haven't really seen it done all that much and reading the comments here has convinced me that it's more than just a wank, it's actually plausible.
 
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