Post Draka maps here.

[frankolio]

Read the title.

[frankolio]

heres one.

[MerryPrankster]

Which mutation of the Draka TL does that correspond to?

It doesn't look like any period during Stirling's TL--there seem to be German protectorates carved out of Russia, but the Domination is restricted to Africa.

[frankolio]

TL_191/ Draka crossover.

[Emperor Qianlong]

People have talked about a lot of ways of disposing the Draka, and here is one of the most inconvential ones:

Continental Africa from 1942 of the Draka timeline and from 2100 of the Transhuman Space timeline are swapped with each other, with drastic consequences:

In 2100, the continental Draka are confronted with with a heavily multipolar world: the three hyperpowers are China (sheer manpower and industrial capacity, as well as dominance in space), the European Union (leader in technological innovation and sheer wealth) and the United States (the number three, trying to catch up with the other two after decades of isolation). Other rivalizing blocks are the restored Islamic Caliphate (dominated by the Saudis), the Pacific Rim Alliance (a defense pact dominated by Australia, Japan and Korea), the Transpacific Socalist Alliance (a block dominated by the ideology of Nanosocialism, which are dedicated towards undermining the economies of the other blocks). Other influencial nations are Brazil, India, Mexico and Russia.

The Draka are confronted with a world that is technological about one and a half centuries ahead of them, and the powers of 2100 have vast armies of bioroids, cybershells and autonomous kill vehicles at their disposal.

Into the world of 1942, an Africa is introduced that boosts a population of 2.5 billion people. While by the standard of 2100 most of the African countries are still considered poor, the armies of most African countries of 2100 are on-par with first world state-of-the-art armies of 2009, and some are far more advanced: on top of them all, the most wealthiest and most advanced African nation is South Africa, which has a powerful nanotech economy and leads the South African Coalition, an organization dedicated towards economic development and African "renaissance". In addition, South Africa possess a small (but powerful) space force.

Whatever will happen, the Draka are doomed...

[Beedok]

Oceania has always been at war with the Draka

[Zajir]

What, even in 1984 scenario Switzerland is still independent?

[Guderian's beard]

One of my old maps

[Guderian's beard]

And another...

[MerryPrankster]

GB,

I like that last one.

What's the TL behind it?

[LoofahBoy]

Aright, someone's gotta fill me in. What are the Draka? All I know is that they're some sort of South African superpower with A-10s during 1942... or something.

[Codae]

Originally Posted by LoofahBoy

Aright, someone's gotta fill me in. What are the Draka? All I know is that they're some sort of South African superpower with A-10s during 1942... or something.

Canada joins the American Revolution, so Loyalists flee to South Africa. They are joined by divers other miscreants, develop advanced arms, and take over lots of Africa. Nobody cares, because it's just Africa. Their society is intensely stratified; as they get into genetic modification, the Draka--the overclass itself--become superhuman. America is driven off the planet in the WWII analogue, and sets up a free state at Alpha Centauri; this falls. Basically, the Draka are the epitome of overwanked dystopian AH.

[Emperor Qianlong]

Originally Posted by Zajir

What, even in 1984 scenario Switzerland is still independent?

"Switzerland is neutral and has always been neutral."

[Saladan]

I guess you could count this as a Draka map since it's one where the British government punished the Draka colony harshly for their actions and broke them up before they could cause any more trouble.

[FloRida]

why do all alternate Draka timelines have them crushed and pushed around. If you are going to have a timeline with the Draka how could they lose? Why not just not include them.

[Emperor Qianlong]

Originally Posted by FloRida

why do all alternate Draka timelines have them crushed and pushed around. If you are going to have a timeline with the Draka how could they lose? Why not just not include them.

Well, the point about the Draka is that the way they win in the Domination books is just plain absurd - they should be defeated quite early under normal conditions. In any case, the mere existence of the books has inspired people to write about unusual ways of defeating the Draka...

In regard for "how could they lose", it's far more reasonable to ask, how could they win?

[FloRida]

Originally Posted by Emperor Qianlong

Well, the point about the Draka is that the way they win in the Domination books is just plain absurd - they should be defeated quite early under normal conditions. In any case, the mere existence of the books has inspired people to write about unusual ways of defeating the Draka...

In regard for "how could they lose", it's far more reasonable to ask, how could they win?

please explain to me how they should have lost earlier?

The Alliance would have won in Stone Dogs if not for the stupid Mexican women US president who didn't attack immediately.

[Emperor Qianlong]

Originally Posted by FloRida

please explain to me how they should have lost earlier?

The Alliance would have won in Stone Dogs if not for the stupid Mexican women US president who didn't attack immediately.

Well, IMO Britain would have curbstombed the Draka already in the late 19th / early 20th century - their whole slavery system would have easily collapsed with very little intervention. It's just very implausible that everyone happily tolerates the Draka until the middle of WWII...

[FloRida]

Originally Posted by Emperor Qianlong

Well, IMO Britain would have curbstombed the Draka already in the late 19th / early 20th century - their whole slavery system would have easily collapsed with very little intervention. It's just very implausible that everyone happily tolerates the Draka until the middle of WWII...

Really why would they curb stop the only reason they won the Crimea war?
Why would they curb stop a loyal ally during ww1?
Why would they care that all of Africa was enslaved pre 1900? They wouldn't you are trying to put your 21st century morality into people of the 19th century.

[Emperor Qianlong]

Originally Posted by FloRida

Really why would they curb stop the only reason they won the Crimea war?
Why would they curb stop a loyal ally during ww1?
Why would they care that all of Africa was enslaved pre 1900? They wouldn't you are trying to put your 21st century morality into people of the 19th century.

Well, the point is that the Draka get everything without anybody putting up resistence - they just gulp up more and more territory, yet in theory they should be totally incapable of holding it, it'd be entirely plausible for the Draka to collapse in the early 20th century due to a widespread serf revolt.
It'd be also far more logical for the European powers to have their own parts of Africa (scamble for Africa, anyone) than let the Draka have everything - this is a VERY GOOD reason to care. I'm not projecting 21st century morality on people in the 19th century - it's just that 19th century people would be appalled by the actions of the Draka. I mean, think about the reactions to the Belgian atrocities in the Congo, or the reactions to British death camps in the Boer War. I think a massive war with Britain (or even an alliance of European powers) in the late 19th/early 20th century is entirely plausible, and an utter defeat of the Draka is almost certain.

Another issue is their unrealistically fast technological development. It just doesn't work out that a narrow-minded and repressive society like the Draka could develop technology faster than anybody in OTL did.