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February 8th, 2010, 07:26 PM
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February 8th, 2010, 08:08 PM
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#83
February 8th, 2010, 08:20 PM
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February 8th, 2010, 08:41 PM
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@mrmandias - Thanks for the link. Looks interesting.
As for Americans with royal titles...Well the so called Lord Stirling claimed to have a title, and he held a high rank in the Continental Army. In this TL I don't think there will be any more of an issue than we had in OTL. Though it will get interesting if La Fayette holds higher office. Of course he is an American citizen and as I said before is eligible for the presidency. Also, Anglo-American relations are much better in TTL so their is less animosity towards royalty (it was the King's royal proclamation after all that officially gave the United States their independence after all) in general. So I don't think La Fayette or Stirling would have to renounce their titles, but at the same time their title will have no real meaning nor give them any extra power. It will be like having an honorary doctorate and may impress people, especially in high society and such. I'm hoping to get a new update done some time soon, but I'm still sick so it might be a few days. Sorry. Benjamin
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February 8th, 2010, 09:07 PM
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Benjamin get better and I can't wait for the next update
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February 9th, 2010, 02:09 AM
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Re Knighthood;
You have the First American Knighted. The Baron of Boston, Knighted by King George, for his role in the capture of Fort Louisbough in 1746. He would still be alive at this time in Your Timeline.
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#87
February 9th, 2010, 11:32 PM
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Benedict Arnold and the War of the South (part 4)
Arnold (part 4): Arnold reached Greene’s army around Christmas. With him were over 5,000 reinforcements along with the tools needed for besieging the mighty Spanish fortress. While Arnold and Greene prepared for their spring offensive the war back east continued unabated. Generals Stark and Muhlenberg launched simultaneous offensives into Carolina and Georgia. These attacks were supported by an audacious attack on Charleston by the United States Navy. Commanded by Commodore Biddle the U.S. Navy was able to subdue the Charleston forts and on January 12, 1789 two regiments of Marines captured the major forts and opened the way for the capture of the city itself. With Charleston in U.S. hands the government of Carolina opened talks with the United States to end the war. These talks would begin on March 1st and within a month would be expanded to include Georgia as well. Spain attempted to pressure the southern colonies into staying in the war but once Gen. La Fayette broke out of Charleston (Battle of Charleston, April 4 – 5, 1789) the Carolina government became serious about ending the war. This left Georgia with no choice but to accept defeat as well, and when Spain attempted to land troops at Savannah the Spanish fleet was warned away by a large British squadron.
Further west, Arnold’s arrival had come while the accused spy, Brig. Gen. James Wilkinson, was leading an expedition west of the Mississippi to scout routes around the Spanish fortress. Arnold quickly informed Greene that he had information regarding the activities of Brig. Gen. Wilkinson. Unfortunately, word reached Wilkinson while he was still west of the Mississippi that Arnold suspected that he was a spy. Wilkinson attempted to flee and link up with the Spanish, so Arnold dispatched a small group of Cherokee guides to track him down. Three weeks later on February 19, 1789 seven of the nine Cherokee returned with a shackled Wilkinson as well as information regarding how to enter Gran Fortaleza del Rio without being noticed. Wilkinson was placed under arrest and it was decided to return him to Philadelphia for trial. A small stockade was built and Arnold remained with Greene for a further two weeks. On March 10th Arnold prepared to return East and Wilkinson was brought out of the stockade. Arnold stood nearby to oversee the Wilkinson’s preparation for travel but had his back turned when Wilkinson grabbed a musket from a nearby guard and fired once at Arnold. Wilkinson ran but was soon brought down by a Cherokee hatchet. Arnold was hit in the head and immediately knocked unconscious. He would awaken two days later and Greene told him of how Wilkinson had been killed as he tried to escape. Arnold stayed in a semi-delirious state and lingered for two more days without saying anything. Early in the mourning of March 15, 1789 Arnold would utter his final words before dying. Greene would later recall these last words with Sec. of War Benedict Arnold. “Tell me Nathanael.” General Greene jumped slightly upon hearing his friend’s voice. The General had nodded off but quickly awakened as Arnold spoke. The wounded man’s hand barely moved and still felt cold and damp so Greene pulled the blanket up to Arnold’s neck before resuming his grasp of the man’s hand. Greene leaned over and looked into his pale ashen face. Arnold’s eyes were bloodshot and his pupils looked queer as they were of different sizes. As he leaned over to better hear his friend’s slurred speech he noticed a fresh trickle of blood flowing out of his nose. Arnold attempted to speak again and Greene could tell that every word the man said was a tremendous effort. “Tell me, what would be my price?” Greene was a bit confused and inquired as to what he meant. “Price for what Benedict? Arnold’s head rolled to the side and looked away from General Greene. “Price to betray my country.” Arnold said in a slurred whisper. “I don’t believe you would have a price Benedict. I refuse to believe that you would ever…” but the sentence remained unfinished as the sour smells of death reached the general’s nose. Mournfully, the man reached up and closed his friend’s eyes. After a bit he stood up and walked out of the tent. He had yet another letter to write to yet another widow. Benjamin
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#88
February 9th, 2010, 11:33 PM
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End of the Wars
End of the Wars
The wars against Carolina and Georgia officially ended on August 7, 1789 with the signing of the Treaty of Baltimore. With this treaty Carolina and Georgia gave up all claims to lands west of the Eastern Continental Divide. Initial calls for annexation of the Carolina and Georgia were constrained by Britain’s notice that she was opposed to any call for annexation. The southern colonies were also forced to give up all claims to any slave that escaped to the United States. The conflict against Spain continued for a further two years. Greene captured Gran Fortaleza del Rio on May 2, 1789 by sneaking a small group of scouts and rangers into the fortress. These men allowed a larger force to breach the back entrance and storm the Spanish redoubt. The nearby town of Arkansas Post proved easy to capture as many of the residents there were happy to come under American instead of Spanish control. Following the capture of the Grand fortress Greene advanced down the Mississippi to Baton-Rogue. Baton-Rogue fell on June 10th and Greene halted his forces there for the summer. In early October Greene started out towards Puerto de la Reina. Greene defeated a larger Spanish army just north of the port on November 2, 1789 and captured the city two days later. The war along the Mississippi was over. Spain, hoping to use their larger navy to turn the war effort, refused to enter in to negotiations with the United States. Britain offered her good offices but was refused. In return President Franklin allowed Commodore John Paul Jones to take a large squadron around South America to raid the long Spanish coastline. Unfortunately, President Franklin died a short time later, but George Washington assumed the presidency after a brief succession crisis. Washington continued an aggressive war policy but still hoped to begin talks with Spain. Jones, aided greatly by a large contingent of Marines captured Monterrey on July 22, 1790 and Buena Yerba nine days later. Word of these victories reached Columbia City on December 10th and Madrid two months after that. The Spanish government was shocked and decided to form up a large fleet to retake Puerto de la Reina and regain control of the Mississippi. The Spanish fleet left Cadiz on August 4, 1791 and immediately suffered hit-and-run attacks from American privateers and heavy frigates. By the time the fleet reached Cuba it was scattered and in poor shape. Moral was low and supplies were in short supply since American raiders had been preying on shipping to Cuba and Puerto Rico for the past three years. When the Spanish admiral refused to allow shore leave and cut the rum ration he sparked a vicious mutiny. By September 20th the Spanish fleet had ceased to be a cohesive fighting force and several of her ships had sailed off under the control of the mutineers. Three of these ships would become American privateers and the others would turn to piracy. The Great Guantanamo Bay Mutiny in turn sparked a slave uprising that soon turned into a bloody and brutal guerrilla war that would last five years and require British intervention to bring to an end. For Spain the war proved to be the final straw. The lingering costs of the recent War of the Empires combined with the humiliation and cost of a losing war with America. So while the ascension of Charles IV had gone smoothly following the death of his father in late 1788, he found himself facing the same sort of growing unrest that had doomed the Kingdom of France. Fearing a revolution Charles IV finally approached Britain and took up the offer of mediation to end the war against America. Negotiations were opened in London in late October of 1791 and would take three months to reach a conclusion. The January Riots in Madrid, Cadiz and Barcelona frightened King Charles IV, and he personally persuaded the Count of Aranda, Minster of State since the Count of Floridablanca’s dismissal in 1786, to bring the war with America to an end at nearly any cost. Aranda traveled to London and met directly with the American negotiators, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and John Jay. After just three days of talks (March 2-4, 1792) the Treaty of London brought the Spanish-American War to an end. In return for 25 million dollars Spain ceded the entire Louisiana Territory and the Real Audiencia of Guadalajara to the United States. Also part of the treaty was a provision in which Britain assisted Spain in defeating the East Cuba slave revolt and in return Spain promised never to pass East Cuba or Puerto Rico on to any other third power without Britain having first right of refusal for said territory. The Treaty of London gave America a vast new territory and greatly reduced the size of Spain’s colonial holdings, but Spain received a vast influx of funds that allowed Floridablanca, who returned to the post of Minister of State, to correct Spain’s finances. Benjamin
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February 10th, 2010, 12:10 AM
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Here is a basic map of the audencias of New Spain. The northern most yellow colored territory went to the US, along with Louisiana.
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#90
February 10th, 2010, 12:14 AM
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Why does Britain care if the US re-annexes the Carolinas and Georgia?
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February 10th, 2010, 12:16 AM
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#92
February 10th, 2010, 12:47 AM
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It is in a manner of speaking similar to the reasons why Britain wanted Texas to remain independent in OTL. The U.S. acquiesces in return for British pressure on Spain. Besides bringing Carolina and Georgia into the US would reopen the still bitter debate on slavery and threaten to disrupt the fragile political balance that had recently been attained. Hope that explains my reasoning well enough to sound plausible. Benjamin
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#93
February 10th, 2010, 12:56 AM
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Holy Ameri-Wank!! But plausible nonetheless.
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February 10th, 2010, 01:15 AM
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Yeah, I just noticed that I had done that. It wasn't my intent but once the US acquires Upper Canada the rest of western Canada becomes untenable so it made sense for Britain to trade it for the seemingly more profitable Bahamas and Florida.
As for Spain...well first she was on the losing end of the War of the Empires (OTL equivalent of the non-American portion of the War of American Independence but larger) so she was in debt and lost some territory (west Cuba, New Orleans and Philippines). To make matters worse she blundered into war with a far more confident and prepared United States at time when Europe was in upheaval and she could ill afford to do so. Thus, to avoid France's fate she dumped some territory and got a load of much needed cash. The end result is that America gets really big really fast. So long as the majority of settlers moving into the new western territories come by way of the East Coast where they can be "Americanized" first the nation shouldn't have too many problems holding the territory. This will be made even easier in fifty or so years once the telegraph and railroads begin to link the nation together. I think I'll work on a map tomorrow. Benjamin
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