Eyes Turned Skywards

[Michel Van]

i need your Help

it's about the CRT* display, i try the shuttle and Aircraft display of early 1980s on Apollo Control panel
but they are to big with 19.55 inches deep, 7.62 inches high and 10.2 inches wide.

got some one information on CRT size used in military jets like F-16 ?

* CRT = Cathode ray tube

i found interesting info about reuse of parts of CM !
According this source about Apollo Spacecraft Hardware Utilization Request

the seats and control panel of CM of Apollo 15 were reused on Apollo 16, because the original panel toggle switches had never been X-rayed as part of their quality control process.
so NASA take the easy and cheap part by reuse of Apollo 15 panel in 16 whil the Apollo 16 panel came after right quality control in Apollo ASTP.
Control panel toggle switches were in such short supply that NASA transferred excess panels and switches, whether functional or not, from Apollo trainers and simulators to Rockwell International's Space Division.
they even raid the Apollo 17 CM in Johnson Space Center, for toggle switches to build into orbiter Columbia.


I thing that this ASHUR would also happen in EtS timeline, means they salvage part from used CM for next flight CM. in order to reduce cost.
but until 1980s and begin of 1990s new parts are needed what give company like IBM a splitting headache, because that museum hardware is not longer in production...

[Michel Van]

Here Block III CM control panel with CRT display Experiment
It a 4.5 x 4.5 inch CRT Display from Military aircraft. on free space of Fuel cell system.
(sorry for typing error in graphic)

Note on "Seat Wars"
the CSM need three person to operate, Commander seat on Left, CSM pilot in middle and flight engineer (also LM pilot) on right.
on Skylab and Spacelab flights the Mission specialist is also the CSM flight engineer.

[Michel Van]

Here theoretical control panel on CSM block III+ or IV.

there now Three CRT (later LCD) 4.5 x 4.5 inch displays.
the 1960s Navigation computer is replace by advance 1982 Honeywell Pegasus Flight management control.

Most of toggle switches and indicators, from original design are still in use.
because there fall-save in case of emergency

[Bahamut-255]

I just noticed....

This thread has surpassed 1,600 responses, and is within touching distance of 200,000 views.

Now that's an achievement right there!

[Athelstane]

Originally Posted by Bahamut-255

I just noticed....

This thread has surpassed 1,600 responses, and is within touching distance of 200,000 views.

Now that's an achievement right there!

It's my favorite active thread.

(And it has the best art.)

[e of pi]

Originally Posted by Bahamut-255

I just noticed....

This thread has surpassed 1,600 responses, and is within touching distance of 200,000 views.

Now that's an achievement right there!

So it is! If we pass the 200,000 mark tomorrow, we may have a chance of doing so as just the 26th thread in post-1900 to make it (we'd need to slightly edge out Fountainhead Filibuster). Anyway, as an incentive to check this thread out, here's both a response, and a few goodies!

Originally Posted by Athelstane

It's my favorite active thread.

(And it has the best art.)

Thank you on both counts, though obviously the latter is something we owe a lot to Nixonshead for. His work continues to astound even behind the scenes--the usual reaction from myself and truth to a new image from him is just a "Wow".

Originally Posted by Michel Van

Here theoretical control panel on CSM block III+ or IV.

there now Three CRT (later LCD) 4.5 x 4.5 inch displays.
the 1960s Navigation computer is replace by advance 1982 Honeywell Pegasus Flight management control.

Most of toggle switches and indicators, from original design are still in use.
because there fall-save in case of emergency

Hmm. There's still a lot of panel area devoted to switches and indicators--I'll need to look at OTL control panels from the early glass cockpit era and compare. It's a start, anyway.

Originally Posted by nixonshead

Hello and sorry for the delay. Like the proverbial swan (or an upside-down Project Manager) whilst nothing seems to be happening on the surface, there's lots of activity going on underneath.

To give those goodies I promised, here's a taste of some of that progress. First, here's an image that Nixonshead worked up in the leadup to creating the first Freedom modules and spacecraft, showing CADS by itself.



The berthing ring is 1.9m in diameter, while the hatch itself is 45" square. This is a bit smaller than the OTL CBM hatch, but makes it easier to fit the ring onto spacecraft like Apollo and Minotaur--and it's still a massive hatch. I was really excited to see CADS come to life like this--I was digging through old files of mine, and I created the original concept over two and a half years ago. Long time in the works!

Anyway, speaking of in the works, there's been a lot of progress on the buffer building as well. Currently, about 10% of the outlined posts for Part III have been completed and another 5-10% are in some stage of writing. The posts that have been wrapped up total a staggering 13,000 words--it's already looking like once again Part III will be longer per post than the part before, though the difference so far is exaggerated by the fact that one of those completed posts is 7000 words long. That's one truth is life and I are really interested in seeing people's reactions to. Anyway, while I can't make any promises, things are proceeding roughly as we'd planned, and I think everyone will have a lot of fun with what we've got in store.

I hope all this is enough to encourage people to maybe dig through the archives a bit, or something else to help us crest the point of 200,000 tomorrow.

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by e of pi

Hmm. There's still a lot of panel area devoted to switches and indicators--I'll need to look at OTL control panels from the early glass cockpit era and compare. It's a start, anyway.

the Glass cockpit of Space shuttle got also lot of panel area devoted to switches and indicators
I keep them in CM cockpit as backup, if the LCD touchscreen or multifunction display systems fails..

To give those goodies I promised, here's a taste of some of that progress. First, here's an image that Nixonshead worked up in the leadup to creating the first Freedom modules and spacecraft, showing CADS by itself.

Originally Posted by e of pi

The berthing ring is 1.9m in diameter, while the hatch itself is 45" square. This is a bit smaller than the OTL CBM hatch, but makes it easier to fit the ring onto spacecraft like Apollo and Minotaur--and it's still a massive hatch. I was really excited to see CADS come to life like this--I was digging through old files of mine, and I created the original concept over two and a half years ago. Long time in the works!

is this on Mission module, Right ?
because this on top of apollo CM, has one major problem: to much component like parachute in the way.

[truth is life]

Originally Posted by Michel Van

is this on Mission module, Right ?
because this on top of apollo CM, has one major problem: to much component like parachute in the way.

Yes, the CM itself continues to use the ancient probe and drogue system for docking. However, at this point that only means "docking with the mission module".

[Athelstane]

Originally Posted by truth is life

Yes, the CM itself continues to use the ancient probe and drogue system for docking. However, at this point that only means "docking with the mission module".

Which means that, if the CSM can't dock with the Mission Module, or the Mission Module is otherwise unusable, an Apollo can't dock with Freedom, and would have to scrub its mission, unless they're willing to go EVA, right?

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by Athelstane

Which means that, if the CSM can't dock with the Mission Module, or the Mission Module is otherwise unusable, an Apollo can't dock with Freedom, and would have to scrub its mission, unless they're willing to go EVA, right?

you got it, Athelstane
except if a emergency CSM docking module install on Freedom.

[Brainbin]

Originally Posted by e of pi

The berthing ring is 1.9m in diameter, while the hatch itself is 45" square. This is a bit smaller than the OTL CBM hatch, but makes it easier to fit the ring onto spacecraft like Apollo and Minotaur--and it's still a massive hatch. I was really excited to see CADS come to life like this--I was digging through old files of mine, and I created the original concept over two and a half years ago. Long time in the works!

I can vouch for this - e of pi and I began corresponding almost a year and a half ago, and his desire to see an "androgynous" hatch of this nature (and yes, apparently that is the technical term) was one of the very first things he mentioned to me as being amongst his plans for Eyes. It's good to see that nixonshead has been working on it!

[Bahamut-255]

Originally Posted by e of pi

So it is! If we pass the 200,000 mark tomorrow, we may have a chance of doing so as just the 26th thread in post-1900 to make it (we'd need to slightly edge out Fountainhead Filibuster). Anyway, as an incentive to check this thread out, here's both a response, and a few goodies!

I think you are now the 26th Post-1900 Thread to pass 200,000 views, since it's 200,061 right now!

A little sooner than you thought, huh?