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September 21st, 2006, 03:00 AM
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Many thanks, Hapsburg.
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The demonstrators in Hanover looks - to the English crown - disturbingly like Chartism. The Hanoverians are tasked with crushing the demonstrators utterly. Spain looks around for aid. The King is wary of asking England for help, though, as he fears that England will make demands and back up those demands with warships, leaving Spain even worse than it presently is (a thought which gives the King nightmares). The King of Spain sends his nephew to treat with the Americans who frequent the Iberian landmass' penninsula's ports, asking if the Americans could be of assistance. The message is relayed to America, though the politicians (who were coming and going as they help with the advising of the bey) say that the answer will most likely be Yes. Summer brings the defeat of the Greek rebels. English poets such as Lord Byron express grief and surprise when they hear that the Greek rebels were defeated...but many of them reason it away: "it makes sense" some say "since they were defeated by the heirs of Homer."* {* = yeah, the Greeks were called that by Britons in early 1800s} Lord Byron, however, committs suicide. On the anniversary of Napoleon's return to Paris from the battles in the Netherlands, Naples becomes the only Republic which does not reaffirm Napoleon's status as Proconsul. On the other hand, Portugal's monarchy recognizes Napoleon's right to rule France. In the wake of a city-wide parade through Constantinople celebrating the victory over the rebels (a parade where the Greek army was feted), the Sultan takes away several privileges which the Janissaries have grown accustomed to. Coincidentally, the next day is the day that Mehmet Ali (in Egypt) assembles the Mamluk upper classes together for a celebration of victory - the anniversary of a great battle - and he has all attending Mamluks put to death. Less than a week later, the Janissaries massacre all but two of the Ottoman royal family: young Mahmud II and his cousin. They install Mahmud II as Sultan, though the Janissaries are divided over whether they should hand over the Sword of the Prophet* to the boy as well. {it really exists -- in OTL, the only Sultan who didn't get to possess it was the last one, in 1924} America sends a reply to Madrid: we would be happy to help you....and they reinforce that by sending a number of soldiers from the original 13, as well as troops trained in Maghreb. The King thanks America, and requests arms and ships. America, with its lumberyards, will be able to handle this easily. But the negotiator, though a friend of President Jefferson, is a Federalist of uncertain loyalties (to the Christians or Unitarys)...he convinces the King to pay for the ships and guns with plots of land. Several states are hammered out from the Exchange, though they are large - like Maghreb, like Philidelphia, like New York. England and France sign a peace treaty between their respective forces: England and English-sponsored armies and navies will not even harass France and its clients, and France and French-sponsored armies and navies will not even harass England and its clients. (the treaty uses 'clients' and 'allies' pretty interchangably). This is the first official peace of the Napoleonic Era, much later than OTL had it. Murat is returned to France. The Janissaries come to a decision, and present Mahmud II with the Sword of the Prophet. Mahmud II's cousin is reassured by the Sultan that she won't be sent to Egypt to marry Mehmet Ali. Granted, her options are woefully limited. Napoleon sends an embassy to America. The French Ambassador to America is informed, by Jefferson himself, that America welcomes the brotherhood of a fellow Republic -- but that the Proconsul, by virtue of his rank and prestige, should be self-obligated to loosen "the noose of nations" from around Spain. The first shiploads of American lumber and muskets make landfall at the northern ports of Spain. The author of "Evidence" dies in a duel. The winner of the duel is hung. Napoleon sends back a message to Jefferson via America's new embassy in France: you are subtle, my friend; but I do not dictate commands to my brethren. Things are worse than they read: Napoleon interprets Jefferson's letter in a way that would make Marx proud: "you man from a tiny backward island, kick the hillfolk out from the proud cities." Is it any wonder Napoleon rebuffs Jefferson? At Christmas services, George III of England thanks God that there has been no Chartist demonstrations in England for a whole year. He says it quietly, audible only to his son, his Archbishop, himself, and God. 1808 - Thomas Jefferson loses the election for US President. The new President is Charles Pinckney of South Carolina, with Vice President Rufus King of New York. (the Federalist Party is reaping the rewards of their efforts these past few years). Quote:
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September 21st, 2006, 04:23 AM
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so no line of Virginian presidents this time around...and was Jefferson a Federalist ITTL? what happened to the Democratic-Republicans?
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September 21st, 2006, 04:29 AM
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Sadly, I can only name a political Party if I know their name (and it kinda helps to know what they stood for)...neither apply to the D-R.
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September 21st, 2006, 06:28 AM
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which do you think is more likely? *curious* thanks.
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September 21st, 2006, 06:40 AM
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September 21st, 2006, 05:56 PM
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have to be part of the exchange...the US really needs Florida (almost as much as New Orleans) and Spain doesn't really need it at all anyway...
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September 21st, 2006, 06:58 PM
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September 21st, 2006, 09:06 PM
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In fact, I doubt that Spain would sell Louisiana in the first place. Perhaps if they fear a pro-French Cajun uprising, or the US grant total support to Spain in his war against France, yes. However, Florida is the key of Cuba, the Spanish main and the Spanish silver trade. If Spain agreed to sell Florida in OTL was due to the fact that half of Florida was actully occupied by US forces, the Spanish economy was destroyed by the dwarf bastard's war, the major part of the Spanish ships were lost and most of the other Spanish colonies were in rebellion. All that things are butterflied if the French don't pass the Pyrenees and Spain is a close friend of Britain and the US. Probably, one of the points in TTL Louisiana purchase would be the US securing Spanish sovereign over Florida and Texas - the last was in fact one of the points of the Addams-Onís Treaty. NOTE:Well, I'm finish to read the last post now. Well, change that thing by "Most of the things are butterflied if the French don't pass the Ebro". BTW, the Portuguese becoming close to the French is a bit implausible, because they were in fact the closest allies of the British on mainland Europe, and the British aren't friends of Napoleon. And the fight in Catalonia would be harder. Actually, the French were unable to take El Bruc and Girona in OTL... even when they had permission of the Spanish government! Last edited by Tocomocho; September 21st, 2006 at 09:54 PM..
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September 22nd, 2006, 12:36 AM
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September 22nd, 2006, 05:42 AM
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Portugal's missing history & the terms of Exchange.
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lost my reply in a computer hiccup...retyping it as best I remember: I guess these Basques are just better at mountain-fighting (and irregular fighting) than the French are.  Portugal: In 1802, the king of Portugal falls from his horse; shortly thereafter, he takes a new mistress. This mistress fills his head with ideas that blossom there (they might've been there already, waiting for the right words; I don't know). The king grants increased rights to the merchants and intellectuals of his nation {but not the Portugese overseas holdings}. He also has an Audience Chamber built in Lisbon, where anyone - anyone at all who is Portugese - can bring their grievance or request before the king...who sits in the Audience Chamber all day once a week. This is in 1806. The intellectuals of Portugal have been watching Napoleon's rise to power with interest, as well as following the Revolutionary literature that there is to read. Following the advice of his mistress and his people, the king of Portugal extends a hand of friendship to Napoleon. When he does that, the King of England socially backs away from Portugal...and the more the King distances himself from the Portugese king, the more the king is left with next to no choices for himself & his nation short of becoming closer with Napoleonic France. The King of England sees this self-reinforcing cycle not as a cycle, but as confirmation of his worst fear: that the mores of the Republic are a virus that must be crushed...which he takes out militarily against both the Republics' armies and against English Chartists (which he lumps together). As for the invasion of Spain, that was more for Portugese interests than for Republics' interests -- the king saw it as a way of ensuring Portugal's survival, as well as revenge for the actions of Philip II, and repeating part of history. {in the Middle Ages, Portugese armies invaded Spain}. Many Portugese, both intellectual and non-intellectual, supported the invasion. terms of the Exchange between Spain and the United States of America: The US would recognize as Spain's all of Texas, Mexico, the Rocky Mountains, and all points west of the above. (see below as to why) In exchange for aid, Spain initially gave the US all the land from Jackson, Mississippi northwest to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma north to Bismark, North Dakota east to St Paul Wisconsin. When further aid was required, Spain handed over the additional lands of: from Oklahoma City northwest to Sand Creek, Colorado north along the Rockies to the Little Bighorn, Montana and east to Bismark. In addition, Spain gave America the ability to give its traders special passes entitling them to trading privlidges in Louisiana -- which the US recognizes would remain Spanish in perpetuity, as would Florida. * = it was that or a stroke. next up, 1808.
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October 5th, 2006, 05:01 AM
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1808 – Rebellion in the island of Saint Domingue had been thus far suppressed. But, at long last, the populace erupted, far more violently than in OTL. Jean-Jacques Dessalines, appointed General in the army of Toussant L’Ouverture Mustafa Bayrakdar, the pasha of Rustchuk/Rousse, is introduced at Court in Constantinople. (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_III) Though to political observers, it might seem like they were influenced or inspired by the island uprising earlier in the year, the Virginia revolt of Gabriel and Martin Prosser was unrelated, save for the fact that they had continued to build up their arms and supplies in preparation for this day. {in OTL, the revolt was in OTL}. In Britain, many are rejoycing....previously, there had been confusion over how the Noble Sons of Homer could be defeated (even slaughtered) by the Ottomans....but now it is clear: like Odysseus clearing away the riffraff from his house once he returned from his journeys, the Greek Ottomans were ridding themselves of the deadweight of the troublesome pretending-to-be-Greeks who had been stirring up so much trouble. Messages from the Sublime Porte to the Girays result in no answers returning to Constantinople. So the Sultan looks to other areas to be sure there will always be Ottomans on the royal throne. {note: yes, I checked Wiki under “Giray” and found they are mentioned in the 1770s, and one person nowadays – nowt between the two) Debate rages in Congress over just what should be done about the Prosser and island rebellions. Some argue that, until the revolt spreads beyond the Virginia border, it is purely a state matter, not a federal matter. Some argue that the island should be subdued in the name of national friendship and deeded to Spain, cementing Spanish claims to the Caribbean while at the same time cementing Spanish indebtedness to the United States. (President Pinckney remembers the stories he heard growing up and in school, about the border conflicts of North and South Carolina, and he tries to get Congress to intervene in Virginia to prevent further bloodshed…but as much as Congress wants a solution to the Virginia problem {a solution that involves Prosser heads in nooses, preferably}, they also recall how Jefferson whipped the Maghreb vote past them when they focusing on something else – “what is Pinckney up to?” is one thread of conversation) In Prussia, Prince Ludwig Ferdinand gathers loyalists and arms around him. Nearly a full month after the revolt starts, the only non-Blacks in the Prosser area of Virginia are Methodists and Quakers…and even they aren’t feeling too safe. As long as the Prossers are alive, they’ve been assured, no harm will come to their passifistic lands. Save for Methodist and Quaker townships, all the land in the Prosser region has been re-distributed, given to loyal Blacks who have joined the Prosser cause. As much as the idea of joining as a state rankles with irony -- Morocco was among the first to recognize them {the United States} in 1777 {Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco#Morocco_1666-1912) – the government in Morocco sees that there is little option, given that, over the last decade, every European venture into northern Africa has resulted in destruction. The government sends a proposal back to America. {it helps that the guy halted all trade with Europe – both in OTL and this ATL…in the ATL, its because he’s tired of his ships being fired upon – but continues relations with the US, just as his father had done}. {ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slimane_of_Morocco} Timothy Pickering, who’d been Sec. of State for J.Adams, takes the opportunity to put forth a proposal to President Pickney that he (the President) invoke the Militia Act of 1792. Pickney does so gladly, even though it’s against Virginia (not the US borders like it was originally intended) {ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard} Prince Ferdinand launches a coup, deposing his aunt and uncle (who are permitted to escape to England, provided they never return to Prussia) Georges Cuvier is invited to be secretary in the National Institute. Returning to Paris, he accepts the promotion. Discovery of Leedsichthys in central England. Prince Ferdinand, seeing which way the political winds in Europe are blowing more and more, declares Prussia a Republic, ordering for the installation of a governing body {what’s Prussian for quorum?}…and steps aside, giving himself the title “Ensurer of Our {Prussia’s} Republic”. Hungarian troops send to invade Prussia fail, defeated by a combination of bad weather and Prussian cavalry. Russian troops are sent to topple Ferdinand’s government, but they too fail…mostly because the only way they would’ve succeeded would be to have worked with the Hungarians. Mahmud II sends an embassy to London, requesting both British assistance in the training of his Model Army, and also asks that the nephew of Selim III be allowed to return to the Ottoman Realm. (that nephew, according to a wiki link I saw but lost, married a Scottish woman – a noble, I think) The Prosser rebellion is put down. Carlo Emanuele IV, who by birthright is king of Savoy {but who defers to the will of the Republic of Naples – though one could argue that the Republic is just a rubber-stamp when he wants it to be one}, sends some relatives and friends of his down to Egypt to assist that realm in building itself up…in the image of Savoy, they fancy. Bavaria presses refuse to publish an English Chartist’s explanation {in Bavarian} of Chartism. The Chartist is later arrested and imprisoned. --- 1809: Congress votes on whether or not to accept the Moroccan proposal of said nation becoming an Honored Province rather than a state or a territory (which would eventually become a state). On this matter, the two Federalist parties pool their votes towards confirming Morocco’s status as an Honored Province. Publication of “Divine Catastrophe and the Faunas which result from the aforesaid” by an Anglican minister whose parish is in Dover. “Divine Catastrophe” makes the idea of transmutation a legitimate idea, though still not an idea most would want to touch: the minister writes that, when God sent down the Great Flood, only mankind was drowned by the waters – the animals were transmutated* into aquatic forms. This is why there are fossils of swimming creatures whose jaws are unmistakably reptilian. (back then, pterosaurs were believed to be swimmers, not flyers) .* = he leaves it unstated whether it was God or the Devil who did the transmuting; already by that time, even in OTL, there were some who believed that chimpanzees were the Devil’s attempt to create humans. Death of the last Prosser activist. (all that remains now, are men who’d been led by Prosser, but have fled in fear of their lives, even if they only attended Prosser-led gatherings) Arrival in Athens of Selim III’s nephew and his family, who then make way towards Constantinople itself. In the US Congress, a Unitary Federalist attacks a proposal suggesting that Maghreb be changed from a State to being an Honored Province. Ludwig von Beethoven is shot, many believe by a man jealous of the relationship between Beethoven and Josephine von Brunswick (though this is never proven). Beethoven fights for life, but is rendered bedridden. King George III reads “Divine Catastrophe,” declaring it safe for the Anglican Communion to read. There still being a few Janissary “palaces” along the Constantinople riverfront, Mahmud II invites the Scottish families who accompanies Selim III’s nephew to settle in those palaces. The man responsible for Beethoven’s condition, is put to death. {after being put through the motions of a kangaroo court – the people in the area are more sympathetic to von Brunswick} An Armenian nobleman is commissioned to make a new personal crest for Selim III’s nephew, one combining both Ottoman and Scottish elements. Hearing the news of the attack on the musician, Napoleon seizes on the opportunity, and “proposes” that France have one day every month for remembering the geniuses of the past – the visionaries and artists. Some historians argue that this is when Napoleon realized he too was mortal. The Pope in Rome reads “Divine Catastrophe,” stating afterwards that it does not conflict with the Scriptures. Chartist uprisings in northern France. This sect of Chartism, however, argues that the Republics which have sprouted across Europe, are not enough – there cannot be *anyone* in command of another. Alemdar Mustafa Pasha is introduced at Court in Constantinople, though he is not trusted as far as a eunuch could throw him. {not that anyone tried to throw him, mind} Cuvier declares that there are no new large animals to discover. Josephine (Napoleon’s wife) has a son. Napoleon rushes home to behold the infant. US Congress contemplates making Chartism illeagal, and making it unlawful to distribute Chartist documents. “After all,” some argue, “how many more Prossers do we want?” The fact that Prosser wasn’t a Chartist, however, is conveniently ignored. The matter is set aside for the Christmas Holiday. On Christmas, Beethoven dies. He is buried in the same plot of land where Josephine von Brunswick’s relatives lie. Also on Christmas, Britain’s George III dies shortly after the end of Mass. ---- 1810: {when things really explode}
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October 9th, 2006, 04:25 AM
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Also on Christmas, Britain’s George III dies shortly after the end of Mass. ---- 1810: George III’s son is coronated: George IV now sits upon the throne. Augusta Sophia, relative of newly-enthroned King of Britain George IV, gives birth. In honour of the new monarch, she names the babe George Augustus. The US President presents Congress with a Bill that will make it illegal “for any Christian to be sold into slavery”…critics of the President’s Federalism note that anyone could find wiggle-room in the wording of the Bill…his supporters praise him for that very thing: making a document that all sides can agree to. The Sultan of the Ottoman Empire begins shaping a new Model Army, with the fine Greek patriot-soldiers as its nucleus. Though they are called the Reserve (tr:Riyadiks) as they are intended to be a reserve force, rather than a force that sits around gathering power (as the Janissaries had done), members of this Army jokingly call themselves the Active (tr:Nizamia). Napoleon reiterates part of the speech he gave in Egypt eleven years ago: argued that all men were equal except so far as they were distinguished by their intellectual and moral excellences, and adds that the aim of the Republics should forever be to allow people to rise and fall in accordance with such excellences. {ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ottoman_Egypt} The US Bill (to make it illegal to sell Christians into slavery) is passed by both the House and Senate. Fighting breaks out in the civil war in Baroda between a Peshwa and a Gaekwar for the office of Maharajas of Baroda. A Portugese ship stops a Maghreb schooner on suspicion of pirating and places all the men and women aboard the schooner under arrest, placed in chains, and taken back to Portugal. On the first day of Ramadan, the Viceroy of Egypt (M. Ali) sends an embassy to Constantinople, offering to continue to recognize the Caliph’s spiritual authority, in exchange for a very large degree of autonomy for Egypt. Plague in two neighborhoods in Venice – among the deaths is Nicola Gambroni (who, in this TL, had not been promoted to the patriarchate). Congress (in the US) declares a State of Hostility towards Portugal. Now, not only does lumber and arms go to Spain, but also volunteers in the Merchant Marine. Unofficial start of the Anglo-Portugese War. Goya begins work on what some consider the masterpiece of his unfinished works: Seizure Unjust being the English name. Among the painted parts of Seizure Unjust were the devout American missionary woman in chains, the Portugese arresters, and the depressing sky. What was never painted in were the colors of the American flag, and the skin color of the man*…some say that these omissions were deliberate, others say the work was taken from him prematurely. * = dressed in an American suit and pants and a fez. A day after the end of Ramadan, Persia launches an invasion of the eastern part of the Ottoman Empire. -- 1811: Britain’s King George IV instructs the British East India Company to back the Gaekwar claimant {Anand Rao Gaekwad; ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaekwad} to the Baroda throne – and to instruct the claimant that, once his throne is his, he is to attack the Maratha Empire. The B.EIC is to assist in said warfare against the Maratha. Beginning of the Second Anglo-Maratha War. One of the war aims of the British forces is to eradicate the Pindari raiders. Tsar Alexander II of Russia sends an embassy to Constantinople, offering Russia’s protection from foreign harm, as well as Russian officers to train the new Ottoman army…all Alexander asks for is the Hagia Sofia. Hearing of the Persian assault from Scottish agents who’d accompanied the family of Selim III’s nephew to Constantinople, George IV orders the B.EIC to lay siege to the southern ports of Persia, particularly those close to the Ottoman border with Persia. Mahmud II of Osmanli turns down the Russian offer. George IV of Britain steps aside so that Augusta Sophia may be coronated. (some think George gave up the throne for the love of a woman; others think it was the result of a wager within the palace). Basra falls to the Persians. Official start of the Ango-Portugese War. Participants: United States of America and Spain, vs Portugal (with the Basque state providing frequent distractions to the Spanish military). Not about to lose the perfect warm-water port, the Tsar tries again – this time, he offers (not just the protection and training) to allow the Ottomans to keep the Hagia Sofia, but in exchange for Jerusalem becoming a Russian protectorate within the Ottoman Empire (which would be under Russian aegis). At Augusta’s coronation, a gunman attempts – and fails – to assassinate the woman about to become Queen. Chartists and Jacobeans are blamed. Among those rounded up, is a Dutchman – or at least he has a Dutch name and surname. Queen Augusta Sophia makes George IV lord of the East India Company, viceroy of its lands within the British Empire.{question: would he re-acquire the title “Prince of Wales”, or would it fall to another, now?} Alexander II sends an embassy to Persia with the intent of bringing Persia into the Russian orbit (rather than the mild French orbit it has right now, with its relation with Napoleon). The King of Spain, the King of Portugal, the Tsar of Russia, the Emperor of Osmanli, and the President of the US all send their congratulations to Augusta Sophia. The Ottoman Emperor sends, in addition to a coronation gift, a whirling dervish. By now, there are Persian soldiers throughout much of what in modern-day OTL is southern Iraq. Ottoman Arabs are fighting them (among them, several Shia tribes – though many under the Persian banner are also Shia). {simply by fighting and – in some cases - winning against the Persians, these Arabs are strengthening their political hand} Consul Napoleon sends a gift to Augusta Sophia, but she rejects it out of hand. George IV, on his way out of the UK, stops in Ireland and announces the formation of a series of new regiments, all under his command, all of which would be operating in the East India Company realm. Many sign up for the food and pay. (one could accuse George IV of trying to depopulate Ireland, and some did accuse him of that). Queen Augusta gives the okay for pressing the Dutch out of Britain’s south African holdings, as well as a retry of gaining a beachhead on the Hollanders’ republic. A Maghreb captain, in violation of his orders, sets sail for the eastern coast of Iberia and launches an attack there (his orders were to join the assault against the Portugese western Iberia). This alarms the Basques, who turn their attention on their own coast, fearful of who else might be about to attack them. Mahmud II rejects Alexander II's second offer. Invasion of the Dutch coasts and Boer lands. George IV arrives in British India, and, hearing of the military accomplishments of the Gurkha people, arranges for one of the most likely winners in the Nepalese “inner turmoil” {ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nepal#Gorkha_rule} to have an audience with him. Assassination of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, leader of the Sikh Confederacy. -- 1812: many thanks to Tocomocho for creating this:
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suggestions are most welcome!
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