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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:07 PM
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I don't buy your Congressional numbers at all. People are still mad at the Republicans for the economy, so the most likely scenario is ticket-splitting. There is no way the Democrats lose back the House. Plus you have people that won their Senate races by more than 10% in the OTL losing, even in places where they outperformed Obama. Udall won Colorado by over 10%, and Warner fucking crushed Gilmore by over 30% points. 30% points! And you have him losing? Then there is Hagan in North Carolina where she outperformed Obama by 8% points.
The Democrats didn't have a crushing majority after the 2006 MidTerms.

Democratic turnout in Virginia would be especially low, especially compared to OTL, without Obama on the top of the ticket. I know Warner is very popular in Virginia and it was a contest I wrestled with a lot, and I do mean a lot. In the end though I don't see Warner's turnout being great and I see a lot of Republicans, especially people like Gilmore, tying Democrats to Edwards.

In Colorado, McCain's able to carry him up. In North Carolina, Dole never runs the "Godless" Ad - saving her a lot of face (it's not mentioned directly because why would there be a headline ITTL saying she didn't run an ad?).
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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:23 PM
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The Democrats didn't have a crushing majority after the 2006 MidTerms.

Democratic turnout in Virginia would be especially low, especially compared to OTL, without Obama on the top of the ticket. I know Warner is very popular in Virginia and it was a contest I wrestled with a lot, and I do mean a lot. In the end though I don't see Warner's turnout being great and I see a lot of Republicans, especially people like Gilmore, tying Democrats to Edwards.

In Colorado, McCain's able to carry him up. In North Carolina, Dole never runs the "Godless" Ad - saving her a lot of face (it's not mentioned directly because why would there be a headline ITTL saying she didn't run an ad?).
Your whole premise rest on the assumption that Americans care more about attaching a negative opinion to down ballot Democrats from Edwards and his sex scandal, than they would attach a negative opinion to down ballot Republicans from the economic collapse under Bush. I don't buy that one bit. We'd get much more ticket splitting, with people voting Democrat for Congress and McCain for President.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:45 PM
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Your whole premise rest on the assumption that Americans care more about attaching a negative opinion to down ballot Democrats from Edwards and his sex scandal, than they would attach a negative opinion to down ballot Republicans from the economic collapse under Bush. I don't buy that one bit. We'd get much more ticket splitting, with people voting Democrat for Congress and McCain for President.
It's not that they don't hate the Republicans it's that Democratic turnout on the whole is substantially lower because they're not excited to go out and vote when they're initial nominee was brought down in flames and his replacement wasn't someone they even considered...
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Old October 29th, 2012, 12:59 AM
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Just stumbled across this. Similar (but slightly different) PoD to kevvy's Reversed Fortunes TL. Interested to see your take on President McCain. Subscribed!
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Old October 29th, 2012, 01:33 AM
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Just stumbled across this. Similar (but slightly different) PoD to kevvy's Reversed Fortunes TL. Interested to see your take on President McCain. Subscribed!
Similar POD's but I will actually be covering the mccain presidency
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Old October 29th, 2012, 04:50 AM
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The Baby Steps
Part I of the John McCain Presidency



December 8, 2008:
President-Elect John McCain announces Joseph Lieberman will serve as Secretary of State. The appointment is not a surprise even though in recent days and weeks anticipation for a Powell nomination was high with most expecting the rumors to turn into reality. Governor Rell released a statement congratulating Lieberman and announcing that she would work to appoint a replacement in a timely manner should he be confirmed and resign his seat in the U.S. Senate.

December 8, 2008:
President-Elect John McCain announces that Secretary of Defense Bob Gates will stay on as Secretary of Defense for the first two years of President McCain's new administration. At a press conference Gates thanks McCain for the nomination. Possible replacements for Gates in 2011 are already floating.

December 11, 2008:
Vice President-Elect Sarah Palin sits down for an interview with Bill O'Reilly. In the interview she implies that she plans to have a very active vice presidency, something that worries some independents and liberal democrats. She says, "This is a chance for me to get a fresh start and to get everyone out there going 'wow, she's really a stand-up maverick' instead of all these lies the liberal media is so happy to rear their head about." The interview is an overall success for Palin.

December 12, 2008:
In his first interview since the election, Senator Barack Obama sits-down with Matt Lauer of the TODAY Show in the first of a three-part interview. During the interview Senator Obama talks about what it was like to be on the ticket with John Edwards. He also admitted to declining an offer to head the top of the ticket when John Edwards left, citing personal reasons. When pressed by Lauer about what personal reasons were present in September that didn't exist a few months before when he sought the office, Obama fumbled. The interview was a mess for Obama who had hoped to repair his image among the Democratic establishment. For the angry voters who distrusted Obama the interview did nothing.

December 15, 2008:
The prosecutors in the Edwards case announce that they will press "full steam ahead" and that they plan for the case to move forward as soon as possible.

December 17, 2008:
Elizabeth Edwards is admitted to the hospital after doctors fear her cancer has worsened. The Edwards children are left in the care of a nanny but they have spent much of their time at their mother's bedside. Rumor has it that she could be admitted to hospice care in the near-future.

December 18, 2008:
President-Elect John McCain announces that Rudy Giuliani will be the new U.S. Attorney General. Giluliani's nomination was surprising with most feeling he would be more cut-out for a different job within the Administration. Still, Senator McCain talked highly of Giuliani's qualifications for the position. While the confirmation isn't a guarantee, Giuliani is expected to be confirmed in the long haul.

December 21, 2008:
President-Elect John McCain meets with his team of Economic Advisers. McCain considers a wide variety of options to get the economy moving again including substantial tax cuts for small businesses and the middle class but his advisers inform McCain this could suffer serious blowback from Democrats in Congress. Furthermore, they imply that it's completely necessary for a return of Glass-Steagall. Biographers would later note this was the first meeting of the "Tale of Two Johns". "The Tale of Two Johns" is a term coined by pundits in the early months of the McCain Administration as the President(-elect) tried to balance business concerns and economic concerns with the demands of his party. Sarah Palin was present at the meeting.

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Old October 29th, 2012, 05:26 AM
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Your whole premise rest on the assumption that Americans care more about attaching a negative opinion to down ballot Democrats from Edwards and his sex scandal, than they would attach a negative opinion to down ballot Republicans from the economic collapse under Bush. I don't buy that one bit. We'd get much more ticket splitting, with people voting Democrat for Congress and McCain for President.
I think it was mentioned that Palin was able to successfully imprint on the minds of voters that democrats were corrupt, and the scandal shred any chance of heavy left-wing turnout.
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December 21, 2009:
President-Elect John McCain meets with his team of Economic Advisers. McCain considers a wide variety of options to get the economy moving again including substantial tax cuts for small businesses and the middle class but his advisers inform McCain this could suffer serious blowback from Democrats in Congress. Furthermore, they imply that it's completely necessary for a return of Glass-Steagall. Biographers would later note this was the first meeting of the "Tale of Two Johns". "The Tale of Two Johns" is a term coined by pundits in the early months of the McCain Administration as the President(-elect) tried to balance business concerns and economic concerns with the demands of his party. Sarah Palin was present at the meeting.[/FONT][/SIZE]
This is going to be interesting, a large reason the Tea-Party was as successful as it was, was as Mac put it "The GOP got a lobotomy" where all but those in the reddest districts in the reddest states got voted out in 08 because of anger towards Dubya making Republican leadership think "Far-Right=Electability" here they face no such idea. Could a McCain presidency dealing with the economic crisis at hand force the GOP down a path of moderatism, or will the party heads win out and have McCain be a puppet of Grover Norquist types and go down the path he took IOTL, assuming he survives his first few months in office and we don't have Ms. "I can see Russia" as our leader to get us out of the recession.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 11:39 PM
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:10 AM
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It should be 2008, not 2009.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 02:03 AM
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Times New Roman"]December 8, 2008:
President-Elect John McCain announces Joseph Lieberman will serve as Secretary of State.
Good lord, McCain as President and Lieberman as Secretary of State?? I'm guessing Iran gets bombed as soon as McCain takes office, and I doubt he gets less belligerent on Day 2....
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Old October 31st, 2012, 02:31 AM
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Good lord, McCain as President and Lieberman as Secretary of State?? I'm guessing Iran gets bombed as soon as McCain takes office, and I doubt he gets less belligerent on Day 2....
Watch the oil prices rise...
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Old November 4th, 2012, 07:15 PM
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:27 PM
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John McCain was making his way with President George W. Bush to the U.S. Capitol Building. In the weeks and days leading up to today the President-Elect was in awe. His seat had been filled by Gabrielle Giffords, a moderate Democrat, and someone McCain had secretly hoped would get the position knowing that she could work with both sides of the aisle. The case involving John Edwards was in motion and now it was simply time for McCain to embrace the moment as he prepared to become the 44th President of the United States.

December was almost over. The President-Elect's transition team was in the full swing of things, cabinet appointments were about halfway done, and the nation was preparing for the inauguration of John McCain - the man that had wanted this job for the last eight years and probably longer. The President-Elect was still in shock about the whole thing. The election was, of course, not supposed to turn out the way it did but McCain couldn't help but feel that the reason he had won the race was because America needed someone with a strong conscience and someone ready to move the nation forward. If he could do that his presidency would be a success. Still, the Democratic Party had control of the U.S. Senate and it would be very difficult for him to pass anything without working with Democrats on the Hill. With the economy in shambles it was entirely necessary for McCain to meet with his old colleague, Harry Reid.

Senator Reid made his intentions very clear: he would work with the President, but the President would need to do a lot of working with him. It was a stand-offish attitude. Still, there's little John McCain wasn't willing to work with the Democrats on, but it was his Vice President who concerned him. McCain, in his daily meetings with incoming Chief of Staff John Lehman, discussed the role he wanted Palin to play. Lehman suggested a smaller role, one that wouldn't give her a lot of responsibility. McCain thought the opposite. It wasn't that he was in love with Palin, or even that he trusted her but in McCain's mind he had chosen her and he owed it to her to treat her with respect. Either way, Sarah Palin served one of the largest purposes for any Vice President - she was the person connecting the McCain Administration to the far-right and it was necessary for her to stay in the loop to keep the religious right happy.

As McCain discussed the issue with his team it was one that pitted friends against friends. Steve Schmidt was very adamant about not giving Palin a large role. At one point he even threatened to leave the administration if she was given a role larger than "...cleaning plates down at the mess!" The decision of what to do with Sarah Palin was becoming harder and harder to make and for that McCain was not grateful. In the end he sat-down with her. After Sarah's resignation as Governor of Alaska was made official she flew to Washington, D.C. and met with President-Elect McCain. "Sarah," he said, "I want you to know that your advice will be valued and I will trust your judgement." Palin was receptive and eager to help. At the end of the meeting McCain was confident, confident that Sarah could redefine her image and end up being a positive for the Administration.

Still, the Inauguration was still two weeks away and the Inaugural Address was not complete and at the rate it was going there was little hope it would be complete on time. Speech writers were working overnight to make things happen and whenever they would get something that Steve Schmidt approved of it would be taken to the President-elect. President-elect McCain wasn't exactly sure where he wanted his speech to go. He wanted to outline the importance of coming together, acknowledging that there was much work left to do and that the cause was not over. His hope was that his speech could be used to bridge the divide between Republicans and Democrats and to stifle the eagerness of Democrats to regain control of power as soon as possible.

The economy was the biggest concern. Did McCain want to get specific? No. In early-February the new President would be given a chance to address the Congress, that's when he would get specific. The Inaugural Address would be used to bridge a divided nation, a nation that wasn't overly excited for McCain's presidency. After all, most Democrats who backed McCain had held their noses while doing it and many on the far-right had as well. John McCain was entering one of the most difficult times to assume the presidency without having a party 100% behind him. By no means was he an Independent or a man without a party, but he most certainly was a man who would need to choose very quickly if he'd work with moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats or if he would fight to please the GOP Establishment. This was the problem with McCain's speech: what message would he embrace.

* * *

John McCain was making his way with President George W. Bush to the U.S. Capitol Building. In the weeks and days leading up to today the President-Elect was in awe. His seat had been filled by Gabrielle Giffords, a moderate Democrat, and someone McCain had secretly hoped would get the position knowing that she could work with both sides of the aisle. The case involving John Edwards was in motion and now it was simply time for McCain to embrace the moment as he prepared to become the 44th President of the United States.

"Mr. President, we're here," the driver said. With that George W. Bush turned to John S. McCain and said, "Well I suppose this is it. Good luck, friend. I left you something on the desk." McCain's eyes actually watered as he shook Bush's hand and then embraced him. As they exited the limousine they took two different directions with McCain making a left and Bush making a right. As the incumbent made his way with Laura to the reviewing stand, the President-in-Waiting made his way to the Green Room to review last-minute changes to the Inaugural Address.

The staff had decided to be vague and warm. There would be no indicator as to how McCain would govern except that he welcomed "all voices" and hoped that "all members" worked together to work for "all people". While the address was light on content, it was inclusive. Outlining the fundamentals of a McCain Presidency and how he would work to repair America. There were subtle hints as to what other goals he had in mind other than repairing the economy: campaign finance reform was among the top as was entitlement reform. Still, most assumed that John McCain was a lame duck from day one. If he even sought reelection odds were he would fail miserably when hoping to win. It was a difficult situation for McCain who was thrown into the thick of governing in the most trying of times.

After the inauguration concluded with John McCain becoming the 44th President of the United States and Sarah Palin becoming the first female Vice President, the ceremonies began. McCain and Palin attended ball after ball, making grand appearances. First, however, they had the Inaugural Parade which they walked together, the entire way. McCain hoped that he could dispel rumors that he was "out of shape" and "unhealthy" by walking the entire route. Unfortunately, things took a turn for the worse. During several spots there were protesters there to heckle McCain and sometimes Palin. McCain remained calm and composed and he did succeed in walking the entire route. It was a testament to the fact that he was healthier than some had said. However the same could not be said for Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy. Both elder statesmen collapsed during different Inaugural Banquets and were rushed to the Hospital where they were released later in the day.

On January 21, 2009, President John McCain arrived in the Oval Office, prepared to work on a new legislative agenda to get the nation's economy moving again. The time for action was now and there was no one more eager to get to work than the President himself. Supported by an enthusiastic and loyal group of advisers and the cabinet itself, McCain was ready to lead, ready to put country first.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 08:19 PM
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With McCain being touted as a moderate and his cabinet being so split on Palin I somehow get the feeling that John won't be president for very long.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 05:11 PM
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I feel like the number of readers has declined significantly, am I making things up?
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Old November 6th, 2012, 05:34 PM
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Old November 6th, 2012, 05:36 PM
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Still reading, people are just more focused on the current election right now.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:50 PM
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Old November 7th, 2012, 07:53 PM
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