Map Thread X

[Clandango]

Originally Posted by Iori

It may not even exist, it is afterall partially a result of the massive consumer culture that developed in the OTL Post-War world.

I was thinking more about the possibility of radiation floating around, though most everything would have been on land or diluted by the water probably. Depends if the Germans were going for bombs with more blast or radiation. Since the monsoons for Bengal are irregular and no longer able to help wash away the poisons... Hard to see the Scandinavians surviving without the Gulf Stream. Probably should just bring it up with the original writer though. Fun all the same.

[Gorm the Old]

Originally Posted by Clandango

Hard to see the Scandinavians surviving without the Gulf Stream. Probably should just bring it up with the original writer though. Fun all the same.

The only place in Scandinavia that would see major issues with the Gulf Stream shutting down would be northern Norway. Stored oceanic heat is much more important, as it travels east over Europe during the winter. That accounts for about half the difference in temperature between Europe and eastern North America.

The other (about a) half is not caused by the Gulf Stream either, but the interaction between atmospheric air and the Rockies. The Rockies push warm winds from the Pacific south over the Gulf of Mexico, skipping most of North America, before returning north over the Atlantic. This causes cool northern air to get sucked down into eastern North America, making it colder than expected (which means eastern North American climate is not the baseline, but actually below it.)

The Gulf Stream does have an effect, but it shutting down isn't going to kill Northern Europe. Especially if the shutting down was caused by global warming, since the global warming is likely to warm Europe as much (if not more) as the Gulf Stream shutting down cools it.

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/

[Faeelin]

I know I shouldn't view the Germans of the Warlord States as monsters, because hey, they aren't responsible for what people did two centuries ago, but...

Za Rodina! For the Prophet Stalin, who died for our sins!

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

It's been a while since I posted anything and I haven't gotten to writing the short story for it yet but hopefully I'll have something up soon.

So what do you guys think?

A few thoughts:

So Britain had a revolution, and the monarchy survives in (most of) British North America?

How did Mexico get its new name?

The UPSA seems popular lately…

Is Western Australia a former German colony?

I see Switzerland’s neutrality shield failed for once…

What’s that enclave in eastern France?

Different decolonization in India? Or did north and south India belong to different colonizers?

So Nepal conquered Tibet while China was on the ropes?

Bruce

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here is the map type thingy.

Bruce

I like Helvetia, are some of those western "mad max" Australians 'original' australians? And what's world Jewry like ITTL? You mentioned that Jews are accepted in some of the western multi-ethnic states- what about elsewhere? IOTL my grandfather and his family made it out of Germany to Argentina in 1937 and he spoke of Buenos Aires having quite the Jewish community, any chance they would have survived? I also had a grandmother who made it to Samarkand, but I imagine the Nazis would have gotten to her.

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Ephraim Ben Raphael

I like Helvetia, are some of those western "mad max" Australians 'original' australians? And what's world Jewry like ITTL? You mentioned that Jews are accepted in some of the western multi-ethnic states- what about elsewhere? IOTL my grandfather and his family made it out of Germany to Argentina in 1937 and he spoke of Buenos Aires having quite the Jewish community, any chance they would have survived? I also had a grandmother who made it to Samarkand, but I imagine the Nazis would have gotten to her.

There were some "hidden Jews" in Latin America still when the collapse came (even after Latin American states could not longer play off Nazi vs Japanese, they were often unenthusiastic about hunting down and handing over their Jews, and of course a lot of Brazilians were of Jewish descent if you go back far enough): some small communities of Jews have reemerged in Brazil and some other places in Latin America, trying to reconstruct their culture, but they still tend to keep their heads down: Argentina, for one thing, really doesn't like Jews much. There are also some in South Africa, where the Boers had a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" policy re Jews, and some survived in the wilds of Siberia hidden amidst Slavs: currently, the Holy Slavic state allows them to worship openly as long as they don't prosletysize, they will after all be needed around when the Apocalypse (which will involve the final extermination of the Germans) takes place. There are frequent reports in the press of lost communities of Jews in warlord states or in some of the more desolate parts of the Middle East, but in the anti-semitic states (most of them) Jew sightings, like Elvis sightings, are often of dubious validity.

Bruce

[Sub Lord Hawk]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Jew sightings, like Elvis sightings, are often of dubious validity.

Bruce

That is becoming sigged, made me laugh, .

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

I really like this. It's an older style of mapmaking that I always appreciated. Nice job. Good to see it returning.

Hey thanks! My map scheme was inspired by some of Looseheadprop's older maps.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

A few thoughts:

So Britain had a revolution, and the monarchy survives in (most of) British North America?

The American Empire was independent before the Monarchy fled there but was apart of England's domain until the Chartists had taken over Britain. Afterwords the Americans sort of tried to replace Britain but it just wasn't interested in building it's own empire under the sun and mainly left it's colonies to do their own thing.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

How did Mexico get its new name?

Anahuac was a poetic name for Mexico and orginated from the Aztec word for the valley of Mexico.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

The UPSA seems popular lately…

Sure is. Spain made the future UPSA apart of the Kingdom of Peru but was often neglected. So when the French helped set up a republic in Spain the UPSA actively revolted against the Spanish Empire unlike the rest of Spanish America at the time.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Is Western Australia a former German colony?

Nah, it's a former French colony named after La Perouse.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

I see Switzerland’s neutrality shield failed for once…

Yep, although I didn't spend too much time thinking about what happened there but it was under Austrian "protection" after the Hochean phase of the French Revolutionary Wars.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

What’s that enclave in eastern France?

The city-state of Geneva.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Different decolonization in India? Or did north and south India belong to different colonizers?

The British continued to not interfere with the BEIC and never put Cornwallis in charge. The absence of his reforms made the Mutiny even worse then OTL (plus they never conquered the Sikhs) and the BEIC was kicked out of North India. The Americans eventually intervened and secured South India except they set up a new colonial government with loyal Indian states and ended the BEIC.

Meanwhile North India was left as a loose organization of states (reminiscent of the HRE) until the Sikh Empire united it into a hegemony under its control until they we're replaced by a new Federated state.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

So Nepal conquered Tibet while China was on the ropes?

Bruce

Yes although the Sikhs did take western portions of Tibet while China managed to hold onto the Khan area.

[Dom Jao II]

Originally Posted by Tsao

1. Okaayy.... Yakutians still wouldn't revolt. They're not some major repressed minority; life for the Siberian nomads wasn't all too bad under the Tsars (better than under Stalin).

2. How does that make the state any less radical?

1, I guess you're correct, and 2, I wanted an excuse to make it not want to take all of China.

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Anahuac was a poetic name for Mexico and orginated from the Aztec word for the valley of Mexico.

Interesting: I see the name was actually proposed in 1820 by that revolutionary priest and escape artist, Servando Teresa de Mier...

BTW, what happened to Prussia?

Bruce

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

It's a Chinese word for new or reform I think.

Not that I know of.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Interesting: I see the name was actually proposed in 1820 by that revolutionary priest and escape artist, Servando Teresa de Mier...

BTW, what happened to Prussia?

Bruce

Prussia was partitioned during the FRW.

Originally Posted by Tsao

Not that I know of.

I using something translator from the Internet.

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

This is a map I made for a writing project I am undertaking. I will be doing a world map as well since it involves quite a large alternate history, but this is a map I envisioned as being made by one of my characters. It is a map of New Zealand, where part of the story is set.

The basic premise is that since the 1920s 'posthumans' (metahumans in America) have been gradually appearing more and more commonly. Because of a large communist Germany in the interwar period, much of western Europe went right-wing/fascist. A coalition that eventually involved the USA smashed the communists, but that's a different story. For the sake of this, I'll just say that the reaction to posthumans was different everywhere.

Unsurprisingly, they presented a military advantage, and so many countries took advantage of them, but as time progressed many became what people feared they would become; villains. As a result, in many places posthumans were feared, then hated, then discriminated against, and systematically wiped out (holocaust style). This slowly spread throughout the western world until only New Zealand was left as a place of freedom for these posthumans, but then in 2007, a man nicknamed 'Marrow' with the power to alter his own bone structure brutally murdered a family of three in what became known as the Cliff Murders.

Using this to his advantage, Murray Watson (the Instigator) was able to get himself elected to office (having been politically active since the 90s). He joined the rest of the west in a fascistic approach to posthumans. I don't want to give too much away, so that's as far as I'll go.

Edit: Any questions I will try and answer as ambiguously as possible. The 'flag' was really just a space-filler, I would like to make a better one with a clownface on it but my graphic design skills aren't very good.

[Æsir]

Moonwank!

Just a quickish map I made (Well, quick apart from tracing the lunar map from the Wiki's blank map database), and may have gone overboard on. That and sent various astronauts to their dooms on mountains I'm not aware of...

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

This is a map I made for a writing project I am undertaking. I will be doing a world map as well since it involves quite a large alternate history, but this is a map I envisioned as being made by one of my characters. It is a map of New Zealand, where part of the story is set.

The basic premise is that since the 1920s 'posthumans' (metahumans in America) have been gradually appearing more and more commonly. Because of a large communist Germany in the interwar period, much of western Europe went right-wing/fascist. A coalition that eventually involved the USA smashed the communists, but that's a different story. For the sake of this, I'll just say that the reaction to posthumans was different everywhere.

Unsurprisingly, they presented a military advantage, and so many countries took advantage of them, but as time progressed many became what people feared they would become; villains. As a result, in many places posthumans were feared, then hated, then discriminated against, and systematically wiped out (holocaust style). This slowly spread throughout the western world until only New Zealand was left as a place of freedom for these posthumans, but then in 2007, a man nicknamed 'Marrow' with the power to alter his own bone structure brutally murdered a family of three in what became known as the Cliff Murders.

If they're strong enough to provide a serious military advantage, I find the notion of a universally successful holocaust rather unlikely. As someone on the internet said, if all black people were ten feet tall and able to breathe fire, the slave trade would have been rather less profitable.

(BTW, you say this approach spreads "throughout the western world" until only NZ is "left as a place of freedom." How about the non-western world?)

Bruce

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Æsir

Moonwank!

Just a quickish map I made (Well, quick apart from tracing the lunar map from the Wiki's blank map database), and may have gone overboard on. That and sent various astronauts to their dooms on mountains I'm not aware of...

Rather cool...no farside landings?

(Re the mountains, the stars are big enough that you can always claim they landed in a fairly flat spot. )

Bruce

[Iori]

Originally Posted by Æsir

Moonwank!

Just a quickish map I made (Well, quick apart from tracing the lunar map from the Wiki's blank map database), and may have gone overboard on. That and sent various astronauts to their dooms on mountains I'm not aware of...

'Tis a very fine map, however you forgot to add India to the Key.

[Klisz]

Originally Posted by Æsir

Moonwank!

Just a quickish map I made (Well, quick apart from tracing the lunar map from the Wiki's blank map database), and may have gone overboard on. That and sent various astronauts to their dooms on mountains I'm not aware of...

Pretty cool. I like how it manages to sneak the UCS colors into a map that wouldn't ordinarily have any color scheme at all.

[Æsir]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Rather cool...no farside landings?

Realistictally there might've been, but the map I traced just shows the near side and I was kind of lazy.

Originally Posted by Iori

'Tis a very fine map, however you forgot to add India to the Key.

...I knew I missed something.

[The Kiat]

Originally Posted by Iori

'Tis a very fine map, however you forgot to add India to the Key.

No kidding. India should be there instead of Europe or Japan or Brazil.