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Old November 28th, 2011, 08:29 AM
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I can see Texas having a much more ethnically mixed population. Perhaps a large immigration from Mexico, and eventually some from Europe. Maybe a large French and/or German settler influx, like in Sicarious's independant Texas timeline.

Just some thoughts you can throw around with your own. Don't take too long!
Good ideas, thanks. I've been enjoying that timeline as well. Perhaps there are some tasty gems I can borrow.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Here's my latest (and long-running) project: to create higher resolution maps of the states and nations in North America.

Most of this is hand-edited (with the GIMP) based on a paper drawing I made several months ago. Apologies if some of the international borders don't look quite like what you would expect.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 10:35 AM
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A brief explanation is in order for the above map:

The year is 1817. Mexico has just won a grueling, bloody war of independence against New Spain. The remaining loyalist forces have solidified their hold over most of California as well as a few new settlements in the Willamette Valley. Mexico and the United States have agreed to keep their previous border, which includes the purchase of the Louisiana Territory from Spain (brokered by France, naturally) in 1812.

British troops have secured most of the Yucatan Peninsula. This was an opportunistic move as the British wanted to establish a foothold on the mainland, not being content with their island holdings in the Caribbean.

There has been no equivalent to the OTL War of 1812, primarily because Britain has been uninterested and otherwise occupied in Europe. American settlement along the east bank of the Mississippi River and the Great Lakes continues at a brisk pace. Settlement west of the Mississippi has begun, albeit somewhat slowly. American expedition to the mouth of the Columbia River has just returned, and shared their discoveries with the nation. The possibility and feasibility of westward settlement of the Great Plains and the Oregon Territory becomes a topic of common discussion.

The following new states have been admitted recently:

25 - AN - Arnold (1802) - OTL portion of Quebec between Franklin and Acadia
26 - OT - Ottawa (1805) - between Ontario and Quebec, up to Lake Nipissing
27 - KY - Kentucky (1806) - OTL remainder of Kentucky
28 - NI - New Ireland (1809) - OTL southern New Brunswick, between Nova Scotia, Maine and Acadia
29 - WB - Wabash (1811) - OTL southern and central Indiana
30 - AL - Alabama (1811) - OTL southeastern Alabama and a tiny slice of Georgia
31 - HR - Huron (1812) - OTL eastern and central Michigan, except for northern tip and southwestern corner
32 - MB - Mobile (1813) - OTL northwestern Alabama
33 - KL - Kalamazoo (1813) - OTL northern Indiana and southwestern Michigan
34 - MS - Mississippi (1814) - OTL southern Mississippi plus a slice of Louisiana on the same side of the river
35 - IL - Illinois (1816) - OTL southern and central Illinois
36 - HM - Hamilton (1817) - OTL northern Mississippi

The territory of Acadia is being administered by the United States, and is being more heavily settled by Quebecois, former Acadians and their descendants in Louisiana Territory, other Francophones from Europe and various other peoples. United States is still on track to transition this territory to joint control by 1840, as per agreements established in the Treaty of Albany (1787).

Relations between Quebec and United States are warm, and have never been better.

Britain maintains a firm grip on Newfoundland as well as the nearby prison colony of Labrador on the mainland. Relations between Britain and the United States remain cool, but most of the earlier hostilities have abated. Trade has reopened at a minimal level.
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Old January 22nd, 2012, 07:20 PM
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Don't let this die, I know it's been a while but you were off to such a great start!
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Old February 9th, 2012, 04:32 AM
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Don't let this die, I know it's been a while but you were off to such a great start!
Thanks for the kind words. This timeline is definitely not dead. I've been doing some research with an aim to clarify the POD. I just finished reading "Seeds of Discontent" by J. Revell Carr, and there's quite a bit of information about Governor William Shirley that is affecting how the POD happens and its immediate effects. I've learned a lot more about that specific window of time, and I hope to apply that to this timeline.

The long-term goal is to make Quebec (and Acadia) receptive to the American revolution, warmly enough to go along with the first confederation. I'm open to ideas about how to make this happen, given that Shirley needs to have a major "reawakening" after what's happened in the first Louisbourg campaign (before the POD?).
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Thanks for the kind words. This timeline is definitely not dead. I've been doing some research with an aim to clarify the POD. I just finished reading "Seeds of Discontent" by J. Revell Carr, and there's quite a bit of information about Governor William Shirley that is affecting how the POD happens and its immediate effects. I've learned a lot more about that specific window of time, and I hope to apply that to this timeline.

The long-term goal is to make Quebec (and Acadia) receptive to the American revolution, warmly enough to go along with the first confederation. I'm open to ideas about how to make this happen, given that Shirley needs to have a major "reawakening" after what's happened in the first Louisbourg campaign (before the POD?).
I have to be honest, I don't know anything really about Quebec. All I can say is to look at the timelines from the authors you've listed in your first post and maybe find some ideas from them.
I can look again for you, but it'll be a few days. Glad to see you're back in force!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:27 AM
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Hey! Glad to see the close-up. Looks like the flashpoint could be the West-Coast + Rocky Mountain Spanish loyalist holdouts, hmm?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 04:05 AM
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Hey! Glad to see the close-up. Looks like the flashpoint could be the West-Coast + Rocky Mountain Spanish loyalist holdouts, hmm?
Nuts, I thought this had been resumed.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 09:01 AM
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Hey! Glad to see the close-up. Looks like the flashpoint could be the West-Coast + Rocky Mountain Spanish loyalist holdouts, hmm?
Quite likely, yes.

For all those who've been waiting for updates on this TL, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I still haven't finished reprocessing the POD as well as other butterflies which revolve around Gov. William Shirley. I've been lax in this area, and have also been traveling and dealing with other matters (i.e. landscaping!) at home.

The good news is that I have been experimenting with Inkscape, an open-source SVG editor and have used this to begin redrawing the maps for this TL in scalable (i.e. not bit-mapped) images. This will dramatically improve the quality. The map I posted earlier should serve as proof that my GIMP skills are weak, and I've given up the bitmapped approach for large maps as unfeasible. Scalable vector images all the way!

I'll post some more teasers soon.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Glad to see this isn't quite dead.

Looking forward to Super Texas!
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:47 AM
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Not dead, but alive!

Inkscape for the WIN. Here's a medium-resolution rendering of the latest SVG rendition of my maps, as of 1852. The full SVG version will be provided later.
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Not dead, but alive!

Inkscape for the WIN. Here's a medium-resolution rendering of the latest SVG rendition of my maps, as of 1852. The full SVG version will be provided later.
Awesome! I hope you're ready to start updates soon as well.

I still haven't started working with Inkscape and SVGs, as the process seems complicated to start getting into. I've been getting pretty good with Paint.NET, though.

Glad this is still alive. Super-Tejas rules!
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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:04 AM
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Teasers for the above image:

The year is 1852. The United States and Texas have just obliterated the fledgling, unstable Republic of California from the map, thereby ending its bloody feud with Mexico as well as the remnants of New Spain in North America. To the victors go the spoils: Texas claims everything south of the 38th Parallel (except the Marin Peninsula) and north of the 23rd Parallel. Texas also claims the area around Tampico City, having thoroughly conquered and occupied said city as part of its amphibious assault on Mexico.

The United States claims everything north of the 38th Parallel except for a tiny spur of land, Point Victory (OTL Point Pinole) on the San Francisco Bay, which is graciously offered to Texas. Neighboring and highly-connected border cities of Richmond (Texas) and Martinez (United States) are founded nearby, and settled by soldiers who have retired from the war. Partnership between the two nations has never been stronger.

RETCON: TTL Oregon is reduced in size by about half (before the war); the remnant to the northeast is now called the Okanagan Territory. I realized that I had violated my "small, defensible states" rule a bit too early, which made Oregon look like it bit off more than it could chew. All maps prior to this time are to be amended for this retcon.

New territories in the Northwest region include the following: Okanagan (mentioned earlier); Wenatchee (just east of Oregon, in OTL eastern Washington); Kootenay (to the east, OTL British Columbia Rockies); and Willamette (to the south, OTL western Oregon). The region is growing quickly, and the newly pacified regions south of the Columbia River are proving to be fertile grounds for crops as well as their farmers. Oregon State itself grew in size with the annexation of the Olympic Peninsula and the nearby Pacific coastline. A sizable number of Spanish-speaking Californians continue to inhabit this region, having switched sides early on in the war when its endgame became apparent. These newly sworn American citizens will play an important role in growing this region as an agricultural powerhouse.

Quadra's Island (OTL Vancouver Island) has been vacated from joint British and Spanish control, and the United States claim to the island is recognized. Outside of the Yucatan Peninsula and the Labrador Coast, Britain now has no possessions on the North American mainland. New Spain ceases to exist in North America.

Other new states created since the last map:

37 - MI - Michigan (1819) - OTL northern Michigan and the eastern half of its upper peninsula
38 - WI - Wisconsin (1822) - OTL northwestern Illinois and southeastern Wisconsin
39 - LA - Louisiana (1822) - OTL Louisiana plus southwestern corner of Arkansas
40 - NP - Nipissing (1824) - OTL central southern Ontario, touching lakes Huron and Superior, adjoining Ottawa and across from upper peninsula
41 - AR - Arkansaw (1825) - OTL northern and central Arkansas
42 - MQ - Marquette (1827) - OTL central and northern Wisconsin plus remainder of Michigan's upper peninsula
43 - MO - Missouri (1829) - OTL southern and central Missouri, plus a small piece of eastern Kansas
44 - IA - Iowa (1832) - OTL eastern Iowa plus part of southern Minnesota
45 - OR - Oregon (1834) - OTL Washington state to the east of Puget Sound and its waters, plus a chunk of BC
46 - MW - Madawaska (1834) - OTL northern Maine
47 - MN - Minnesota (1835) - OTL central Minnesota plus western remnant of Wisconsin
48 - DM - Demoine (1837) - OTL southwestern Iowa plus northern Missouri
49 - WN - Winnipeg (1840) - OTL northern Minnesota, southeastern corner of Manitoba plus southwestern corner of Ontario, up to Lake Superior
50 - FL - Florida (1845) - OTL most of Florida; purchased from Spain in 1835

Other things of note:

British Newfoundland and Labrador have gradually become seething hotbeds of unrest. The populace has grown weary of British military rule. Small rebellions have been breaking out since 1848; efforts to pacify these rebellions have not been well-received. Quebec and the United States have been watching the region closely, waiting for what comes next. Neither nation has been fomenting rebellion, but they have been debating various courses of action should things start turning for the worse.

Settlement of the Great Plains Territory has begun in earnest. Farmers and families have begun the great westward migration, mostly consisting of expeditions launched from the states of Demoine and Missouri. Along the way the Kansas territory has been created and populated. Ranchers and farmers from Texas have begun their own westward migration as well.

Reports of Chinese ships entering the San Francisco Bay and exploring the surrounding coastline have been received. So far these ships have refused all attempts at communication.

The Treaty of Acadia was signed in 1840, which clarified the boundaries and established de-jure joint control of the territory of Acadia, shared with Quebec. By the terms of the treaty, Quebec is to assume full control of this territory in 1860. Acadia is moderately populated by the descendants of the original Acadians who fled British persecution from a century ago.

That's all for now! I'll try to keep the wheels moving.
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Interesting developments. Will keep following.

Texas will likely face problems with rebellion in their new lands.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:23 AM
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Interesting developments. Will keep following.

Texas will likely face problems with rebellion in their new lands.
Quite likely. However, the remainder of Mexico has been beaten to a bloody pulp and will not be ready to mount any serious opposition until it's far too late to recapture anything.

Interestingly enough, many of the Mexican rebels in the newly-acquired territory will find conditions more to their liking in the Willamette Valley, and will make the migration northwards. They perceive the United States to be less of the aggressor than Texas, since Texian soldiers were more visible during the southward sweeping conquest; they will also perceive the United States in a somewhat better light, since the United States played a large role in obliterating California, who didn't treat them nicely at all. Their descendants will integrate into the population and gradually the desire for rebellion will dissipate.

Many of the rancheros in the newly-acquired territory will eventually surrender and accept Texian rule in order to stay in their homes, though they will never be treated as well as those rancheros who fought in the war (for Texas).

While we're on the subject of Texas: should I subdivide it into states, districts, provinces, or none of the above? Opinions, please.
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How does France, I assume that's France, have the eastern half of Hudson's Bay and not the West? If they are projecting ANY power at all into the Bay, they should have all of it.

You really can't project any power into that area from the south.

In fact, whoever owns the Bay should have all of Rupertsland (i.e. the territory draining into the bay).
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How does France, I assume that's France, have the eastern half of Hudson's Bay and not the West? If they are projecting ANY power at all into the Bay, they should have all of it.

You really can't project any power into that area from the south.

In fact, whoever owns the Bay should have all of Rupertsland (i.e. the territory draining into the bay).
Did you read the thread? That's Quebec.
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While we're on the subject of Texas: should I subdivide it into states, districts, provinces, or none of the above? Opinions, please.
I would go with the saame system the US is using; OTL the Texan governent was very closely modeled after that of the US (with slight differences, like no term limits beyond non-consecutive presidencies). With so much territory I'd expect them to follow suit on that as well.
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I would go with the saame system the US is using; OTL the Texan governent was very closely modeled after that of the US (with slight differences, like no term limits beyond non-consecutive presidencies). With so much territory I'd expect them to follow suit on that as well.
Yep, I would expect Texas to largely follow suit in a lot of areas, except where they get a "wild hair" and decide to do something that better suits their own needs. They won't feel too obligated to copy the United States exactly.

My question was more based on the fact that the United States (IOTL and ITTL) was comprised of a number of distinct colonies which later became independent states allied through the Articles of Confederation, and later completely unified in the Constitution. Each state developed its own form of legislature independently. Texas doesn't have any such history.

Should Texas feel obligated to create independent states with their own independent governments as well as an equivalent "federal" system? Now that I ask the question, I'm leaning more towards dividing it up into "districts" where government power is delegated (top-down).

The same could apply to Quebec ITTL.
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How does France, I assume that's France, have the eastern half of Hudson's Bay and not the West? If they are projecting ANY power at all into the Bay, they should have all of it.

You really can't project any power into that area from the south.

In fact, whoever owns the Bay should have all of Rupertsland (i.e. the territory draining into the bay).
It's an independent Quebec. I see your point, but remember that by this time (1852) there isn't much settlement north of 50 degrees latitude, and most cities in Quebec are either along the north bank of the Saint Lawrence River or Ottawa River (i.e. near the border) or nestled along other tributaries. The same applies for the United States ITTL; only the state of Winnipeg has any significant land north of the 50th.

The great wild north remains wild and untamed for the most part: fur trappers in both nations do still ply the riverways in search of valuable pelts, and their American and Quebecois trading companies have struck a healthy balance between competition and trade alliance. Scattered settlements and forts have been created up north, but those are mostly the exception. The successor of the Hudson's Bay Company (name TBD) is a modestly-growing private enterprise, just like its counterpart in Quebec.

There really isn't any need to "project power" into the Hudson Bay at this point in time. Also, much like the border with Texas to the south, the border with Quebec is friendly, undefended and rather porous. For reference, the border (defined as the Ottawa River up to 80 degrees west longitude, then north up to the Hudson Bay) was negotiated on fairly good terms after Quebec dropped out of the initial Confederation, and was largely chosen arbitrarily.
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