The Eugenics Wars-A Brief History

[MerryPrankster]

Given how monstrously sanctimonious the Federation is about genetic engineering, I'm surprised somebody didn't try to ban the AIDS cure.

Of course, the Feds' beef is against the genetic engineering of humans, so I guess they're not that stupid.

[lukedalton]

Originally Posted by MerryPrankster

Given how monstrously sanctimonious the Federation is about genetic engineering, I'm surprised somebody didn't try to ban the AIDS cure.

Of course, the Feds' beef is against the genetic engineering of humans, so I guess they're not that stupid.

No, IRC they don't have problem with the genetic modification of plant, animals or regarding the use in medecine even human if necessary and vital for the health of the patient. They go berserker in case of the so-called enanchment.
Regarding the augment, i always take in consideration that even if technology and knowledge are more advance that in OTL, they are not that advanced, so when the conspiracy created their specimen their work was never perfect. Basically yes you can create a stronger, faster, more intelligent men but is like a pact with the devil, there is always a catch, always a price to pay; in that case some little, almost non noticeble chemical imbalance and brain anomalies (who cannot be found with 20th century tech) who make the subject more prone to: lack of empathy, sociopathy, narcisistic personality, asperger syndrome etc etc. (and honestly how the great part of them was educated surely not helped), Khan (and some other like Misei) are the few lucky one, with both a more rounded education and little problem other like Rudow and Hassan (and many other) well not very much.

[JjeeporCreepor]

Originally Posted by lukedalton

Basically yes you can create a stronger, faster, more intelligent men but is like a pact with the devil, there is always a catch, always a price to pay; in that case some little, almost non noticeble chemical imbalance and brain anomalies (who cannot be found with 20th century tech) who make the subject more prone to: lack of empathy, sociopathy, narcisistic personality, asperger syndrome etc etc. (and honestly how the great part of them was educated surely not helped), Khan (and some other like Misei) are the few lucky one, with both a more rounded education and little problem other like Rudow and Hassan (and many other) well not very much.

Pretty much my take on it too. I think the majority of Augment leaders are basically physically fitter Hitlers or Stalins in terms of character and personality - the very qualities that make them "great" (albeit murderous and psychopathic) men and propel them into positions of power are also the crippling flaws that (in Hitler's case anyway) speed their downfalls.

In Robow's case, as I hope I will demonstrate if and when I get to posting more bits of his career, I see him as somebody who desperately wanted and strove to be a Khan, but at the end of the day turned out to be just another Hasan. And knew that about himself, before the end in Paris. If that makes sense.

[JSmith]

One thing to keep in mind though is that if there were 10,000 or so Augments who is to say that Khan,Minsei,Robow and Hasan were typical of the majority of them? Sure the majority of the Augments went along with the Augment leaders and certainly were capable of brutal behavior. But they must have been capable of some positive behavior like loyalty and obedience. If all the Augments were total sociopaths how would the Great Khanate have been possible?

[lukedalton]

Originally Posted by JSmith

One thing to keep in mind though is that if there were 10,000 or so Augments who is to say that Khan,Minsei,Robow and Hasan were typical of the majority of them? Sure the majority of the Augments went along with the Augment leaders and certainly were capable of brutal behavior. But they must have been capable of some positive behavior like loyalty and obedience. If all the Augments were total sociopaths how would the Great Khanate have been possible?

I don't say that everyone of the augment is a crazy psicopath, just that kind genetic engeneering is like a Vegas casino regarding mental issue...and you are not the house in this case, basically they had a greater probability than an unmodified human to develop problem not the assurance...and even in this case they can be still highly functional (basically you cooperate because enanched your possibility of success, not out of love, compassion, instinct...image a Vulcan but without any ethic), plus there is the fact of how they have been educated, and for many it was just as put oil on fire.
Say that, this not mean that everyone of them is a twirling mustach villain, just that they can have a lot less emphaty regarding 'normal' than towards their fellow 'family', or being the pure 'end justify mean' type with a vulcan-like logic, many can be satisfied to be just Heydrich or Beria and not Hitler and Stalin and finally many can simply don't care and follow order as usual.

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by lukedalton

I don't say that everyone of the augment is a crazy psicopath, just that kind genetic engeneering is like a Vegas casino regarding mental issue...and you are not the house in this case, basically they had a greater probability than an unmodified human to develop problem not the assurance...and even in this case they can be still highly functional (basically you cooperate because enanched your possibility of success, not out of love, compassion, instinct...image a Vulcan but without any ethic), plus there is the fact of how they have been educated, and for many it was just as put oil on fire.
Say that, this not mean that everyone of them is a twirling mustach villain, just that they can have a lot less emphaty regarding 'normal' than towards their fellow 'family', or being the pure 'end justify mean' type with a vulcan-like logic, many can be satisfied to be just Heydrich or Beria and not Hitler and Stalin and finally many can simply don't care and follow order as usual.

DS9 certainly suggested that it was a bit of a lottery. Of course the question is to what extent knowing they were meant to be superior influenced the mindset of the likes of Minsei and Khan?

[JSmith]

20th century American Vice-Presidents

1949-1957 - Adlai Stevenson (D)*
1957-1961 - Richard Nixon (R)*
1961-1963 - Lyndon B. Johnson (D)*
1965-1969 - Hubert Humphrey(D)*
1969-1977 - George Romney (R)*
1977-1981 - ?? (R)
1981-1989 - ?? (D)
1989-1993 - Dan Quayle (R)
1993-1997 - Al Gore (D)

* Ran for president
?? Suggestions

Who was Ronald Reagan's VP? and Ted Kennedy's ? Write an entry and you pick their VP.

[Garrison]

MiG-117 'BELUGA'

JANE'S SPACECRAFT 2002 EDITION



Between the fall of the USSR and the Eugenic Wars Russia had unsurprisingly fallen somewhat behind the west in terms of spacecraft technology. In the aftermath of the war and with Dyson Aerodyne working on a replacement for the lost DY-100 prototype the Russian government decided that something had to be done. The result was that rather than revoking the Soviet era ban on nuclear propulsion they allowed a 'private' venture based at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan to go ahead under the auspices of Mikoyan-Gurevich, beter known as 'MiG'. The design that was made public in 1999 was the MiG-117 'Beluga'. While not as advanced as the DY-100 in a number of areas it has the capability to conduct Mars missions and carry significant cargo for other deep space mission. The first vehicle became operational with Roscosmos in 2001 and is scheduled to conduct a manned lunar mission in the latter half of 2002.


It is believed that China, India, and Brazil are potential customers for either leasing or buying future MiG-117 production with Roscosmos itself potentially operating a fleet of three of them; though this is dependent on future mission budgets. A mission to Mars or a Near Earth Asteroid does seem likely at this time if only to as matter of prestige for the new Russian president.

[Garrison]

I came up with the Beluga because a) I didn't want to have everything being a DY-Something or other and b) to have a series of ships that the ORE could readily get their hands on; purely for peaceful exploration of course.

[JjeeporCreepor]

Coincidentally:

[JjeeporCreepor]

Originally Posted by Garrison

MiG-117 'BELUGA'

I like it - it's mean-looking, as befits something that's likely to be forming the backbone of the ECON and ORE space fleets during the space component of WW3 (well, it or its descendants, anyway). I assume that the forward command/service module is only a similar shape to an OTL Soyuz spacecraft, and is actually much larger (what would be the main engine exhaust in a Soyuz is here likely some sort of shadow shield to protect the crew from the byproducts of the nuclear propulsion)?

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by JjeeporCreepor

Coincidentally:

Very cool.

[JjeeporCreepor]

Just from the research I've done for this TL, I've started to think of the TKS as a great missed opportunity for the Soviet space program. Soyuz has been a good servant these many years, to be sure, a venerable workhorse, but the TKS was potentially much more capable, more along the lines of the Apollo spacecraft, or perhaps more accurately, like the "Big Gemini" concept that got bandied about in the US but never picked up.

I have nothing but respect for Sergei Korolev, but I thought that in light of the info we had about the coup against Stalin in '41 largely being provoked by his Quixotic rocket program, I thought Korolev wasn't likely to be a long-liver. So Chelomei and Glushko get to lord it over the Soviet space program by default, and it takes a somewhat different direction as a result.

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by JjeeporCreepor

I like it - it's mean-looking, as befits something that's likely to be forming the backbone of the ECON and ORE space fleets during the space component of WW3 (well, it or its descendants, anyway). I assume that the forward command/service module is only a similar shape to an OTL Soyuz spacecraft, and is actually much larger (what would be the main engine exhaust in a Soyuz is here likely some sort of shadow shield to protect the crew from the byproducts of the nuclear propulsion)?

That's essentially the explanation.The Russian drive design isn't quite as clean (Probably a little less ET inspired tech in it). I did toy with the idea that the forward section could be detached as a lander or lifeboat. Of course there was also the purely aesthetic point of making it so someone could look at it and immediately say 'yep that's Russian'.

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by JjeeporCreepor

Just from the research I've done for this TL, I've started to think of the TKS as a great missed opportunity for the Soviet space program. Soyuz has been a good servant these many years, to be sure, a venerable workhorse, but the TKS was potentially much more capable, more along the lines of the Apollo spacecraft, or perhaps more accurately, like the "Big Gemini" concept that got bandied about in the US but never picked up.

I have nothing but respect for Sergei Korolev, but I thought that in light of the info we had about the coup against Stalin in '41 largely being provoked by his Quixotic rocket program, I thought Korolev wasn't likely to be a long-liver. So Chelomei and Glushko get to lord it over the Soviet space program by default, and it takes a somewhat different direction as a result.

I think your right particularly as I believe Glushko was the one responsible for denouncing Korolev OTL; probably did the same thing here to save his skin.

[JSmith]

EARTH PRESS

OCTOBER 24 2150


Australia's decision to join the United Earth government has spawned celebrations around the world. Some have wondered why Australia was so reticent abount joining what is proving to be a competent and benign government body. Much of the resistance in Australia to joining a unity government is likely based on historical memory.Namely the tragic role that Australia played in the Eugenics War and World War Three. Australia was invaded by the Great Khanate in November 1993 and forced to surrender in May 1994.During an occupation that lasted until 1996, 1 million Australians died as a result of the Revolutionary Eugenics program instituted by the Augments and carried out by certain Australian collaborators like Robert Green, whose name came to mean traitor to many Australians. Green of course was the grandfather of Colonel Phillip Green who was a member of the Optimum Movement and the founder of the Optimal Republics of Earth(ORE) of which Australia was a member.Australia was devestated in the nuclear exchange,that Colonel Green started, on June 21 2053.Such horrific events likely dulled Australians enthusiasm for being part of a world government. Luckily Australians came to realize that the United Earth government is in no way comparable to the Great Khanate or what are seen as its twisted progeny-the Eastern Coalition of Nations and the Optimal Republics of Earth.



This one needed updating

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Garrison

I came up with the Beluga because a) I didn't want to have everything being a DY-Something or other and b) to have a series of ships that the ORE could readily get their hands on; purely for peaceful exploration of course.

I'm thinking Lily Sloan was mistaken in First Contact when she mistook the attacking Borg ship for "Its the ECON ! " she must have meant " Its the ORE ! "

[JSmith]

OCTOBER 1 1996

ASSOCIATED PRESS


MAJOR BATTLE BETWEEN DA AND GK FORCES IN SYDNEY AUSTRALIA. IT IS CONFIRMED THAT KHAN NOONIEN SINGH AND SEVERAL SENIOR AUGMENT COMMANDERS HAVE JOINED THIS BATTLE. THIS LATEST FIGHT IS OCCURRING IN THE WAKE OF A MASSIVE ASSAULT LAUNCHED BY DA SPACE BASED ENERGY WEAPONS THAT HAVE DEVESTATED GK POSITIONS IN AUSTRALIA EARLIER IN SEPTEMBER. DA LANDINGS OCCURRED SHORTLY AFTER THIS ASSAULT. FIERCE BATTLES HAVE ENSUED. THE PROSPECT OF CAPTURING KHAN SINGH ALIVE IS FUELING CONVERSATION THE WORLD OVER. IF SINGH WERE CAPTURED HE WOULD BE THE MOST SENIOR AUGMENT COMMANDER IN DA CUSTODY AS LEADER OF THE GREAT KHANATE. SEVERAL DOZEN AUGMENT COMMANDERS ARE CURRENTLY IN DA CUSTODY INCLUDING GENERAL MUHAMMAD HASAN OF IRAN AND FIELD MARSHAL ADEN ROBOW OF SOMALIA. ALL CAPTURED AUGMENT COMMANDERS ARE EXPECTED TO FACE TRIAL AT THE IMT IN PARIS FRANCE FOR THEIR ROLES IN THIS WAR.

[JjeeporCreepor]

FIGHTING CONTINUES IN DAMASCUS

SYRIAN CAPITAL BURNS AFTER AIR, GROUND ATTACKS

PRESIDENT ASSAD MISSING, PRESUMED DEAD FOLLOWING COUP

ISRAEL: “MONITORING A DANGEROUS SITUATION”

14 JUNE 1992 - - Combat continues to wrack the Syrian capital city Damascus as forces loyal to President Hafez al-Assad battle the army units that launched a military coup yesterday.

Tanks exchanged fire along the city’s major thoroughfares as Syrian Air Force MiGs apparently under rebel command bombed the Presidential palace and loyalist military positions around the main airport.

The whereabouts of President Assad and his son Bashar are unknown. It has been claimed that they were seized and later killed by a group of army officers as they paid an official visit to Syrian Army headquarters.

Lieutenant Colonel Azim al-Hourani has broadcast on state television claiming that he is the new Syrian chief of government and the chairman of a so-called Democratic Officers’ Committee. He claimed that he and his co-conspirators were “fighting for the freedom of the Syrian people and to end the corrupt tyranny of Assad and his regime.”

The confused situation in Syria is only the latest, and most dramatic turn of events in the so-called “Spring Revolution” that has swept the Arab world, beginning with mass protests in Egypt in March this year. Some experts claim the trend was started by General Muhammad Hasan’s seizure of power in Iran last October. Although Iran is not itself an Arab country, it enjoys considerable political and religious influence throughout the Middle East.

The governments of Algeria, Tunisia and Yemen have all collapsed in the past few months, and political turmoil continues in numerous other countries. Only last month, the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein agreed to a political union with Iran after the Iraqi Republican Guard refused his order to fire on protesters in Baghdad. Saddam’s whereabouts since he signed the Total Union agreement are also unknown.

Israel, where violence has also occurred in Palestinian enclaves in Gaza and the West Bank, has placed its armed forces on full alert in response to the Syrian coup. Announcing the call-up of reservists, Deputy Defense Minister Daniel Katzel said that Israel remained committed to peace with its neighbours but that the nation had to “continue monitoring a dangerous situation.”

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by JjeeporCreepor

Announcing the call-up of reservists, Deputy Defense Minister Daniel Katzel said that Israel remained committed to peace with its neighbours but that the nation had to “continue monitoring a dangerous situation.”

So Daniel Katzel finally showed up In that position he obviously caused Israel a great deal of trouble.