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[Shtudmuffin]

Originally Posted by Gian

This is my map (for the non-ASB TL)

Another Ameriwank with Canada???!!!

A PLAGUE, A PLAGUE I BRING UPON YOU

[Joyeux]

Originally Posted by Shtudmuffin

Another Ameriwank with Canada???!!!

A PLAGUE, A PLAGUE I BRING UPON YOU

I do wish someone would do a Canadawank sometime.
Or, even better, a continent wide Mexiwank.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Shtudmuffin

Another Ameriwank with Canada???!!!

A PLAGUE, A PLAGUE I BRING UPON YOU

From an aesthetic viewpoint it would be that bad, except for the fact that people act like Canada's provincial borders were carved into the land in 45 000 BCE.

[Shtudmuffin]

Originally Posted by Joyeux

I do wish someone would do a Canadawank sometime.
Or, even better, a continent wide Mexiwank.

No, those are even worse.

Seriously, you all need to learn to live with the Mexican and Canadian borders as they are. Now, if the US were to break apart, I wouldn't care, but Canada and Mexico are fine as they are.

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Shtudmuffin

No, those are even worse.

Seriously, you all need to learn to live with the Mexican and Canadian borders as they are. Now, if the US were to break apart, I wouldn't care, but Canada and Mexico are fine as they are.

"Those are even worse"? As if. They don't even occur. You need to learn to live with the US borders as they are.

I mean, why the hell does nobody give a second's worth of thought to the borders of the Canadian 'states' when it is absorbed into a greater Yankeestan?

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by Joyeux

I do wish someone would do a Canadawank sometime.
Or, even better, a continent wide Mexiwank.

Does 1820 Mexico + Louisiana + British Columbia + Oregon + Jamaica + Colonies Throughout the World + Influence in Canada and the Rump USA Count?

[Lascupa0788]

Personally, I think things would look much better if Canada got Alaska and possibly Hawaii and Mexico got to keep California and Texas.

[Gruekiller]

I'm don't exactly know what I'm doing, but I am working on it. So here's a world map of a TL idea I've been playing around with more or less at the 'present day'. Comments and criticisms welcome.



POD: 570 CE - The forces of Aksum take Mecca, destroying the Kaaba and forcing most of the Hedjaz into a tributary state. The over-extended and rather occupied Persians fail to force the Aksumites from Arabia, allowing the Aksumite Empire to survive and thrive for some centuries longer. Ethiopian and Ethiopian-influenced states stretch down much of eastern Africa, even holding Egypt for a time, before ultimately collapsing into a series of successor kingdoms in the 14th Century. Islam never comes to be.

In Europe, Maurice is not felled in a coup by Phocas, leaving his dynasty at the helm of the Empire. With the Persians held up in Arabian affairs, the first war of the early 7th Century never happens, allowing the Empire to focus on European affairs. The Avars are crushed with the help of the Lombards, who settle in the Carpathian Basin rather than heading for Italy. One of Maurice's sons inherits the East, and the other the West, allowing a partial restoration of the Western Roman Empire.

With a strong Lombardy sitting in the Carpathian region, the Slavs head west instead, steadily conquering and settling lands as far west as the Seine.

Some other stuff happens too, I guess. I'm still rather working it all out. That and the names of a couple dozen countries and who owns all those bothersome little specks of land in the Pacific. Pardon my lamentably lacking knowledge of Asia.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Shtudmuffin

No, those are even worse.

Seriously, you all need to learn to live with the Mexican and Canadian borders as they are. Now, if the US were to break apart, I wouldn't care, but Canada and Mexico are fine as they are.

Why is it such a sin to suggest that borders are shiftable for North American nation-states? Where is it written on holy scrolls that these borders are fixed yesterday, today, and forever?

[Mathuen]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

"Those are even worse"? As if. They don't even occur. You need to learn to live with the US borders as they are.

I mean, why the hell does nobody give a second's worth of thought to the borders of the Canadian 'states' when it is absorbed into a greater Yankeestan?

I do and there tends to be a good number of them, but what happens is that a lot of northern territory becomes just that, a territory, which is a bit unsettling to think of a 21st century U.S with large territories. So usually they end up as SAZs and autonomies within the Union owned by the First People.

Yeah! Thinking things through FTW!

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Mathuen

I do and there tends to be a good number of them, but what happens is that a lot of northern territory becomes just that, a territory, which is a bit unsettling to think of a 21st century U.S with large territories. So usually they end up as SAZs and autonomies within the Union owned by the First People.

Yeah! Thinking things through FTW!

And you win a prize for that. But sadly you are the exception not the rule.

[TurkishCapybara]

Gran Colombia World/Guyana, South America and Africa.

[viperhawkz]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

Gran Colombia World/Guyana, South America and Africa.

Space-filling empires ahoy!

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

Gran Colombia World/Guyana, South America and Africa.

What's the POD for the borders in Africa? And is the UNA a federal state?

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by viperhawkz

Space-filling empires ahoy!

Maghreb, UAS and UNA are intentional. Bornu, South Africa, Zanjibar and Kongo are partially intentional, but also because my other proposals I had did not make sense or I could not find a good nation to put in.

Originally Posted by Tsao

What's the POD for the borders in Africa? And is the UNA a federal state?

Europe tumbles down a very slippy slope in the 19th and 20th Centuries, while the Nations of the Americas and Africa are much more successful, such as Egypt remaining powerful, the Boers staying Independent, Angola and Mozambique being taken by Brazil, and Morocco being supported by the dismantling of Spain`s Empire in the Cuban Revolution and Mexican-Spanish War.

In the United Nations of America, the States hold a lot of influence internally but are still loyal and under the control of the central government and can do very little outside their borders.

[Tsao]

The 19th and 20th centuries are a little late to save some of the states in Africa.

[Gruekiller]

Any feedback regarding my own map/TL idea?

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Gruekiller

Any feedback regarding my own map/TL idea?

Advice: Do some research on East Asia before just using rivers as borders for everything.

EDIT: And that doesn't only apply to Asia.

[Umbric Man]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

I mean, why the hell does nobody give a second's worth of thought to the borders of the Canadian 'states' when it is absorbed into a greater Yankeestan?

I've tried extensively. You can even make lots of American-sized states with actual or proposed historical boundaries, though, IMO!

It's pretty easy to turn the NWT Districts of the 1880s into their own states as well as keeping Stikine Territory and Vancouver Island separate states from *British Columbia. Eastwards, Manitoba still remains at 'postage-stamp' size, *Southern Ontario is its own state (borders equivalent to what the USA almost got in 1782), and Northern Ontario below the Hudson Bay watershed and above the Great Lakes as its own state as well. The Ungava District can easily be split from Quebec, of course.

It's just that huge *Keewatin District, that remains without OTL Ontario/Manitoba extension northwards that's killer. Splitting it into *Nunuvat, and the remaining area between rump *Northern Ontario above and *Nunavut below into a territory itself is what I did...

[Shtudmuffin]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

"Those are even worse"? As if. They don't even occur. You need to learn to live with the US borders as they are.

I mean, why the hell does nobody give a second's worth of thought to the borders of the Canadian 'states' when it is absorbed into a greater Yankeestan?

Ok, maybe they're not worse. But I just don't like North America-wanks in general. Balkanization in the Americas just seems more aesthetically pleasing to me.