Map Thread X

[B_Munro]

No, this is what super-Balkanized looks like.

[Zuvarq]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

No, this is what super-Balkanized looks like.

No, this is what super-Balkanized looks like.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here is the map.
...
Sultanate of Baghdad: still a major center of Islamic culture and science

Very nice 'cover' map. I like that Baghdad hasn't been sacked as OTL. Surviving Byzantium is always cool.

Still making stupid large statues with big hats

You take that back right now!

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

I had inspiration, and so designed a map around the Grand Colombia-lives map I made for the contest.

I was kind of hoping you would. Very cool.
Go Super-Mexico and Grand Colombia! Boo everybody else!

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Zuvarq

No, this is what super-Balkanized looks like.

What, no Republika Srpska?

[VT45]

What, no comments at all on my wikibox? It took me two days, guys!

[Iori]

Originally Posted by VulcanTrekkie45

What, no comments at all on my wikibox? It took me two days, guys!

It's good, but leaving the OTL people for the government position detracts from it.

Also, I think it more likely Turkey would style itself a Kingdom rather than a Sultanate under the apparent circumstances.

[VT45]

Originally Posted by Iori

It's good, but leaving the OTL people for the government position detracts from it.

Also, I think it more likely Turkey would style itself a Kingdom rather than a Sultanate under the apparent circumstances.

Fair dues. I'm not familiar enough with Turkish naming conventions yet to create names wholesale I think.

What makes you think it'd rather style itself a kingdom than a sultanate? I thought that since the monarch still styled himself sultan that it would be called a sultanate. Unless you think that Bayezid III would rather style himself a king.

[Iori]

Originally Posted by VulcanTrekkie45

Fair dues. I'm not familiar enough with Turkish naming conventions yet to create names wholesale I think.

What makes you think it'd rather style itself a kingdom than a sultanate? I thought that since the monarch still styled himself sultan that it would be called a sultanate. Unless you think that Bayezid III would rather style himself a king.

Well with the Ottoman Empire dissolved, and the loss of all but a small bit of its Middle-Eastern territory along with the OE having already been a very European state I see them more going with Kingdom as a partial break with the Empire and with an alignment more fully towards Europe.

[xt828]

Originally Posted by VulcanTrekkie45

Fair dues. I'm not familiar enough with Turkish naming conventions yet to create names wholesale I think.

What makes you think it'd rather style itself a kingdom than a sultanate? I thought that since the monarch still styled himself sultan that it would be called a sultanate. Unless you think that Bayezid III would rather style himself a king.

Well, you're looking at a successor state rather than a continuation here, as the Ottoman Empire was certainly not a Turkish state at the time of your POD. If you're looking for inspiration on possible internal problems resulting from that kind of shift, take a look at the post-Napoleonic pre-Compromise Austrian Empire - there were substantial issues caused by the shift from being a dynastic state to an ethnic one.

Ottoman rulers were far more than just a Sultan - IIRC the preferred form of address for the Ottomans was actually Khan as often as anything else, but they had a full array of titles to choose from. By switching the official language from Ottoman to Turkish - with Ataturk's reforms, from the look of it - the precise titles are a little up in the air, but Arabic and Persian were enormously influential on Ottoman and each has several title appropriate for the ruler of a nation.

[VT45]

Originally Posted by xt828

Well, you're looking at a successor state rather than a continuation here, as the Ottoman Empire was certainly not a Turkish state at the time of your POD. If you're looking for inspiration on possible internal problems resulting from that kind of shift, take a look at the post-Napoleonic pre-Compromise Austrian Empire - there were substantial issues caused by the shift from being a dynastic state to an ethnic one.

Ottoman rulers were far more than just a Sultan - IIRC the preferred form of address for the Ottomans was actually Khan as often as anything else, but they had a full array of titles to choose from. By switching the official language from Ottoman to Turkish - with Ataturk's reforms, from the look of it - the precise titles are a little up in the air, but Arabic and Persian were enormously influential on Ottoman and each has several title appropriate for the ruler of a nation.

True enough. I used modern Turkish because there's no Google Translate for Ottoman Turkish. And also I figured a Persian title wouldn't work all that well, as 'شاه شاهان' ITTL actually refers to the British monarch in everyday parlance, because of its preservation of the Persian and Thai royal families as local viceroys, as well as several Indian princes and the like.

I also figured that the current empire would stem from an enforced agreement following war between the British and Ottoman Empires in the 1870s in which the British took control of Mesopotamia, and enforced governmental changes to make the Ottoman government mirror the British one. These are the ideas that I have right now anyway.

[God-Eater of the Marshes]

A future map I made for the Alphabetic Cartography.

Image is clickable for a full resolution version.

[decker]

Originally Posted by God-Eater of the Marshes

A future map I made for the Alphabetic Cartography.
Image is clickable for a full resolution version. [/CENTER]

Interresting idea and well executed drawing.
What did you use base map and program wise ?

The only thing I find odd is the text at mutiple angles...

[God-Eater of the Marshes]

Originally Posted by decker

Interresting idea and well executed drawing.
What did you use base map and program wise ?

The only thing I find odd is the text at mutiple angles...

I used Inkscape for the drawing, and as for the text at multiple angles, I was trying to save space.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Zuvarq

Batman reference.

I thought it was a lot older than batman.

[Clandango]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Very nice 'cover' map. I like that Baghdad hasn't been sacked as OTL. Surviving Byzantium is always cool.


You take that back right now!

If there aren't big hats on the statue to act as handholds, how can the Stars and Stripes by jammed in their face?

[Iori]

Originally Posted by VulcanTrekkie45

True enough. I used modern Turkish because there's no Google Translate for Ottoman Turkish.

It works actually, Ottoman Turkish was primarily only spoken by the Nobility, Upper Echelons of governance and people of importance, the population in general spoke what essentially became Modern Turkish.

[xt828]

Originally Posted by Iori

It works actually, Ottoman Turkish was primarily only spoken by the Nobility, Upper Echelons of governance and people of importance, the population in general spoke what essentially became Modern Turkish.

But with the very significant difference that it was written in the Arabic script.

[snerfuplz]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

No, this is what super-Balkanized looks like.

I'm guessing there is no key to tell which is a kingdom, a dukedom, a free state etc.

[Iori]

Originally Posted by snerfuplz

I'm guessing there is no key to tell which is a kingdom, a dukedom, a free state etc.

It's on the map itself, as in those abbreviations and stuff before the polity name over the main territory of each.