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#44
October 2nd, 2012, 10:45 AM
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"Unity in Diversity" The triumvirate (part 2) As the months in 465 ad passed Flavius and Angelus faced their first diplomatic issue. The creation of a "Roman senate" in Gaul had brought up several issues and challenges. These were about the legitimacy of the state which included what the name of the state would be, the form of government because it was really controlled by three people and any claim to the creation of a new western empire or succession would mean a confrontation with the east which had the legitimacy given to it by Julius Nepos. However these issue would have to be dealt with later because the Romans of Gaul faced an enemy more terrible and powerful then the Frank, they faced an alliance of Visigoths, Burgandians and Alemmani. Euric king of the Visigoths ruled all of hispania and most of Gual and he was determined to completely rule both territories. Before ruling these territories the Visigoths were originally nomadic tribes that were among the Germanic peoples who spread through the late Roman Empire during Late Antiquity or the Migration Period. The Visigoths emerged out of the Gothic groups who entered the Roman Empire in and after 376 and defeated the Romans at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. They invaded Italy under Alaric I and famously sacked Rome in 410 AD, eventually settling in Spain and Portugal and for a time controlling large parts of France, where they founded a powerful Kingdom. During their time in the empire they were horribly mistreated by the Roman authorities who gave them DOG meat i nexachange for their children. Under their famous leader Alaric after being betrayed by Honourius they sacked Rome and eventually the settled in southern France becoming Feodrati (Allies). Over a succession of rulers the Visigoths eventually controlled huge parts of Spain and France. Surprisingly speaking life for the Romans under visigothic rule was lennient the visigoths largely kept to themselves not interfering with the Romans they even continued their institutions. They were a minority perhaps being less then twelve percent of the population and they settled in the border between Hispania and Gaul. The Visigothic military structure was highly decentralized their was no one Visigothic army their were many who were controlled by the local Dukes (nobles). They often didn't cooperate with each other when they were campaigning and when they weren't fighting enemies they would sometimes fight each other. The Visigothis under Euric wanted to invade the roman territory for several reasons which included its strategic position to allow further expansion and defense, its intact infrastructure and to break the roman spell. Euric was a smart and a shrud leader he was determined to conquer the last vastages of Roman control. Euric had learned from the mistakes of the Franks and Clovis. Instead of a direction confrontation.... To be continued..... 
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#45
October 2nd, 2012, 11:08 AM
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Barbarians greed for the sake of greed. Limits the ability to see beyond the next conquest.
Will this second founding of the Roman republic still march under the tried and tested S.P.Q.R.? Last edited by forget; October 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 AM.. Reason: edit
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#46
October 2nd, 2012, 11:27 AM
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#47
October 3rd, 2012, 11:28 AM
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“unity in Diversity" The triumvirate (part 3) Euric was a smart and a shrud leader he was determined to conquer the last vastages of Roman control in Gaul and he had learned from the mistakes of the Franks and Clovis. Instead of a direct confrontation he would use as many of his troops to besiege the major cities along the border at the same time small numbers of his troops would raid settlements and outposts along near the border. Euric himself would lead a large army but they would not attack the the main Roman army isntead they would be haressing the flanks. Eurics plan was to exauhst the Roman armies and let city after city to fall and his job would be made easier becuase of the alliance he had with the Burgandians and Alemmani. Their agreement was that they would each be able to run their own campaigns in their own way but they would have to launch their attacks at a similar period. They all agreed to launch their invasion in the spring of 466ad because it was ususally the begining of the campaigning season because in these times campaigns usually ran through spring to early winter. The Visigoths wanted to start as early as possible inorder to avoid giving the Romans extra time to prepare. They also knew that this campaign would be very long and bloody. The Visigoths, Burgandians and Alemmani each agreed that they would divide the territory with each “ally” gaining a quarter of the place. Inorder to prepare for the war the Visigothic king Euric had to negotiate with the many Dukas (nobles) so that he would get their support to also make sure that they dont take the opportunity to rebel against him while he was in war. By the end of 465 ad Euric had gathered sufficent forces to begin the invasion but however he faced a threat because his people were a minority in lands they ruled and many Romans who lived there considered themselves Romans not barbarians. The Roman populations of Hispania and Gaul were actually polarized by the ongoing events some actually joined the Gallo roman army because they wanted to restore the glory of Rome. Others joined the Visigothic army because they wanted booty and gloy. However the majority of inhabitants of the cities were indifferent and waited to see who would win so that they could join them. Else where in 465 ad Yezdegerd II King of Kings of the Sassanid persian empire had launched an invasion of the Eastern roman empire over the issur of armenia which was hotly contested. Surprisngly the persian and Romans emperors saw themselves as equals and in latters they would address each other as my brother. During the reign of Leo I the eastern empire had launched a series of programs aimed at helping and stabilizing the western roman empire. Leo I had hoped to avoid the war because he saw it as a distraction from assisting the west and he could not send messangers for fear that they could be intercepted by the Alemmani or Visigoths. Instead he decided to gradually increase his control over northern italy through out a series of treaties which annexed the towns and cities reaching as far as milan. Part of the treaty is that the local towns people would swear alliegence to the eastern empire and inexchange they would be protected. The main objective of Leo was not to extend his territory but influence so that the east could launch an invasion of Visigothic territory through Caspine Gaul. The Persians launched there invasion with attacks in four fronts they attacked Armenia, Syria, Asia minor and Palestina however in mid 465ad. Leo I had hoped that this war would be a short affair so that he could focus on the west but the Persians had quickly advanced taking a lot of territory. However lucky for Leo he had a powerful secret weapon and that was his cavalary commander Justin but the war would drag on for a some time. Else where the Vandals had abandonded their raids because they had found gold as they explored deeper into Africa. They had discovered alot more new territory and places and at the same time the vandals were now renowned explorers becuase they had discovered the canary islands or perhaps visisted them. This is because there was prior knowledge and they also discovered Maderia setting up coloines there. In Italy the former heart of the empire the country was increasingly divided into two political parts one which was either directly influenced or conrolled by the Eastern empire. These territories were largely centered in the north and most of the south while huge parts of cenral Italy were ruled by pope Georgy II “Papal states” and sicily was given to the vandals by the east so that they would not raid further. By spring of 466ad the Alemmani, Burgandians and Visigoths launched their invasions of Siossons the Visigoths followed and carried out their preplanned strategy of thinning down the Romans. While the Alemmani and Burgandians simply sent in raiding parties to raid and test defenses. The end..... The world in 466 ad  Last edited by girld22; October 7th, 2012 at 01:04 PM..
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#49
October 5th, 2012, 10:44 PM
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It's all very good so far. Grammatical nitpicks aside, I'm very much enjoying it. What is the religious situation like in this time, especially in the Italian states swearing allegience to the ERE?
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#51
October 6th, 2012, 12:27 AM
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Nice timeline. Like the map too.
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Timelines France presses the Saar Offensive in 1939 Interauctoritas et Renovatio (A Roman TL)
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#52
October 7th, 2012, 01:51 AM
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Where in africa did the Vandals find gold? Isnt west african gold pretty far south?
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#53
October 7th, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Hi
well they discovered it through the use of trusted guides who know the locations. PS i got this idea from the Timeline the southern Roman Empire Also the next chapter is going to be set in a two year period from 466-468. Last edited by girld22; October 7th, 2012 at 02:53 PM..
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#54
October 9th, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Hi everyone im sorry i haven had the opportunity to post anything in a while ive been busy with universiy assignment. So here is the first part of the fourth chapter its a long chapter ”Learn to obey before you command”Ps This chapter is going to be wait for it wait for it EPIC. It is going to include, battles, action, suspense, schock and alot of other THINGS. Also please note that this chapter is pretty long because it cover the years from 466-468 ad . War without end (Part1) The visigothic military structure was highly decentralized so each noble ran their mini army they way they wanted to. However Euric convinced a large number of nobles in his 10 thousand strong army to haress the Roman Lines. In exchange following their ”assured victory” they woud recieve land and booty. Following each successful raid each Visgothic soldiers was allowed to take as much booty as they wanted to the rule was finders keepers loosers weepers. This is because in their armies regular pay was unheard of so the booty they collect is important. While at the same time the Alemmani and Burgandians were following a strategy similar to the one that the Franks had used. The Alemmani were raiding and pilliging towns and outposts near the border while their king Gibuld was leading a large force that was on its way to besiege a major city. They had commited about twelve thousand soldiers into this invasion and their military structure was similar to their allies because it was highly decentralized. Gibuld king of the Aliemmani was a ruthless leader, an experienced diplomat and a former soldier in the western Roman army. He was an old man in his sixties and he didnt commit alot of soldiers because he didnt want to exhaust his lines and resources. He also knew that if things went bad or if they would win then his tribe would have to face the more powerful Burgandy and Alemmani tribes so he didnt want to exhaust his resources. The Alemanni (also Alamanni, Alamani ) were really a confederation of Germanic Suebi tribes located on the upper Rhine river. They were first mentioned by the Romans in 213, the Alamanni captured the region of Agri Decumates in 260. They later expanded into present-day Alsace, and northern Switzerland they were responsible for establishing the German language in those regions. Throught their long history and since the last two centuries the Alemmani were one of the Roman empires most fierce foes (post split and pre split). They had launched several invasions which had devestated Gaul. In an invasion in the third century they invaded northern italy devestation the place reaching as far as Aquilia before being stopped by the legandary emperor Aurelian. Gibuld was now on his way to invade the city of Troyes a medium sized city with some strategic significance. He was leading a force of about four thousand soldiers while the rest of his army was besieging smaller towns and raiding different areas. His people were pagan while they might have had some christians and he was tolerant of christians. Gibuld wanted to really capture a few towns and use the booty to strengthen his position as king and he was doing this so that his son could become the next king. Gundabad king of the Burgandians was a man of medium stature, in his early fifties and like Gibuld had experience in dealing with the Romans. Gundabad was infact the nephew of Ricimier and he wanted to expand his kingdom so that it could become a major power. He commanded an army of about fifteen thousand soldiers drawn from the various nobles and other who wanted booty and territory. His plan was to seize as much territory as possible inorder to prepare to invade the pagan Alemmani whom he considered a priority to convert and Gundabads people the Burgandians were Arian christians. The Burgundians (Latin: Burgundiōnes) were an East Germanic tribe which may have emigrated from mainland Scandinavia to the island of Bornholm, whose old form in Old Norse still was Burgundarholmr (the Island of the Burgundians), and from there to mainland Europe. The Burgandians were capturing dozens of settlements and taking booty His army was besieging Reims. The Romans of Gaul had spent the previous year preparing for the war they had spent the past year building up their army and reintroducing things such as strategy, displine and formal training. This is because these important things had been lost in the previous decades and reinstating them would give the Romans a better chance of winning. As the invasion began the administrative and military efforts of people like Julius Crassius who had increased the size of the army to about thirty five thousand soldiers. This army was unlike their enimies was well trained and displined it was also regularly piad (but they could keep booty) and they had in their arsenal things that had not been used for decades such are onagers. The roman engineers produced them from the original ones they had in their arsenal and improved their designs while producing more of them. This new army had a core of engineers which was determined to innovate and create new technology of warfare from the things they had. The Romans had also created a new navy because Flavius saw the value of a powerful navy and its uses. This navy would not be a patrol force because in the first weeks of the war they had sent small numbers of troops and ships inorder to raid the coast of hispania and gaul. The Roman strategy for winning the war was to instead of spreading their forces to defend every part of the territory they would focus on defending strategic locations. They would use three mobile armies to defeat each side. The plan was to defeat the larger invading armies and kill their troops and even kings and since the invaders were made up of many peoples and like the Franks perhaps they could be easily broken. In the middle of spring 466ad in this day it was worm and beatiful birds were singing and it was quite almost too quiet. For several days the Alemmani under their king Gibuld were marching towards the city of Toyers inorder to capture it but however as his army approached an open field near the city they saw a large Roman army nearby. To be continued .....
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#57
October 14th, 2012, 11:29 AM
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Altware you got your wish is just what i am going to say because this part is EPIC ”Learn to obey before you command” War without end (Part2) In the middle of spring 466ad in this day it was worm and beatiful birds were singing and it was quite almost too quiet. For several days the Alemmani under their king Gibuld were marching towards the city of Toyes inorder to capture it but however as his army approached an open field near the city they saw a Roman force nearby. His four thousand strong man army was within sight of the city there was a large field with a lot of grass and marhes nearby but it was a beatiful day. As the Alemmani army marched they saw a large and beatiful city. To the this army and to king Gibuld this city was ripe for the taking with all its riches and seplinder but in their way stood a small roman force perhaps not larger then one thousand men. This small force was more or less outnumbered three to one and its leader was one Publius Plonius. Publius was a man in his late twenties, tall stature, strong teeth, blonde hair and strong muscles. Publius was a self made man he was one of the original soldier in the Siossons army serving under Syarigius and in the last year he prove himself capable so he was given his own command. Publius knew the stakes were very high and despite being outnumber he had insisted that this city should be protected. This is because he was born there and he grew up there another reason was that it was also a strategic location and could allow the Romans to launch a counter strike. However inorder for that to happen they would have to defeat the Alemmani and their king first. As the Alemmani approached their archers launched arrows which killed or injured many roman soldiers the Romans under Publius responded by launching arrows and large rocks using newly redeveloped ballistas. They also used Catapults to hurl rock and human body part and all these were lit with fire Publius plan was to kill as many as well as psychologically scaring them. Publiusus plan was to kill as many Alemmani as possible before retreating into the city and waiting for reinforcement or a way to break out. The Romans of Toyers had prepared well supplying everything and etc. The Romans and the Alemmani clashed the fighting was very bloody but the newly well trained roman army was untested. Surprisingly as the fighting intensified the well displined roman soldiers held their ground against the alemmani and as soldier fought soldier arrows and rocks hurled by the Romans were falling everywhere many were killed. The Alemmani king now sent in his cavalry and although they romans held their ground they did not have any cavalry. Many Roman soldiers were killied as they retreated to the city but enough had escaped but Publius was killied while attempting to retreat but his death was not in vein as many Romans retreated to the city and his troops killed atleast eighthundred Alemmani soldiers. As weeks passed spring soon turned into summer and in the east Angelus Valentinan was facing the Visigoths who had managed to capture the city of angers and raid even deeper. As the sitiuation worsened and the Romans lost more territory to both Burgundy and Visigoths Angelus now launched a new strategy instead of saving every city they only focused one the ones that could be defended. At the same time they instituted a policy of vastatio(scortched earth) where they would burn supplies, villages and eveacuating people to larger easily defended positions. This strategy would prove very successful and in a few weeks Visigothic troops in the region were facing starvation because of no supplies and their supply lines were being exhausted as well as sabotaged. The City of Toyers had been holding out for months and supplies of food were starting to run low and in another place the Burgandian king Gundaband had gotten greedy. This is because after seizing territory, capturing towns and etc Gundaband had decided to attack the Alemmani because he wanted to finish them off before they could be a threat, gain more territory and he saw it as his mission as a christian to convert any pagan to christianity. His forces began by raidning Alemmani controlled territory then his main army invaded the Alemmani territory in a few weeks most Alemmani territory had fallen. Gundaband soon turned his attention to the city of Toyers and when his troops reached and attacked the besieging Alemmani camp worse was to come for the Alemmani. This is because their allies the Baverri joined the Burgandians at the same time the Roman defenders thinking those were their reinforcements arrived burst from the city. The battle was soon very bloody and confusing it wass not clear who was fighting who and who was winning. In the midst of battle a young charasmatic soldier in his mid twenties was the commander of the garrison and he had earned his postion through hard work. This commander was one Publius Marius said to be a descendant of the general Gaius Marius and like his great ansector he wanted to become a great leader. In the midst of the battle risking danger Marius travelled to the Alemmani camp and by this time their king was dead from his wounds Marius decided to integrate the remaining Alemmani into his army. As the chaos continued Marius and the Alemmani nobles negotiated for hours until the Alemmani agreed to most of the terms preposed by Marius. These terms included that they would be able to recieve roman citizienship in exchange for service, gain land after ten years of service but they would have to be fully integrated into the population. Also Marius assured them that they would not be discriminated against. As the fighting around the Alemmani camp intensified surprisingly most of the Roman and Alemmani soldiers now began to work together despite them not knowing about the treaty. This is because they saw a comin enemy. The battle had lasted all night and in the middle of the night news of the treaty broke as that happened the fighting become more intense but by this time the battle lines were being satebilized. After completing negotiations Marius took with him about two dozen horses and when he set a light the Burgandian camp killing many including several of Gundabands close relativies. When the two men fought each other Gundaband escaped and took with him most of his forces. However Marius captured Gundabands heir apparent and removed his eyes and exiled him to a monestary somewhere. After the batlle and as sun dawned the Remaining Bevarrii and Burgandian troops were all executed. Elsewhere as Summer turned into early autumn the war was turning into a very bloody stalemate with neither side gaining an advantage. Valentians strategy of scortched earth, sabotage of supply lines and constant raiding was devestating the once twenty thousand strong Visigothic army which now numbered at thirteen thouand soldier. Euric was loosing soldiers everyday to disease and starvation and he was forced to retreat from most of the territory he controlled except from the strategic city of Orleans. The Alemmani accepted the offer of Marius because the number of there people was now at only fifteen thousand so if they wanted to continue as a people they had to accept. The burgandians were ruthless when it came to the pagan Alemmani killing their man and ensaliving their women and childrens so they had to accept. In the east the now extremly popular general Justin had turned the tide and sacked Ctesiphon bringining back alot of richies that incresed the easts cofferes. In late 466ad the sitiuation in the west stabilizied into a bloody stalemate Leo emperor of the eastern empire order Julius Nepos who now was governmenr of most of northern Italy to begin his invasion of Caspine Gaul. This is because Leo believed that the Visigoths had overextened their lines. To be continued. images of the equiptment ballista  image of catapult  Battle of Toyers (plaese ignor text on map)  Map of the campaign coming soon Last edited by girld22; October 14th, 2012 at 02:19 PM..
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#59
October 15th, 2012, 07:01 PM
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Hi everyone.
ok wow i cant believe were now in the final part of this very very exciting chapter. OK so its like this i have an idea of what is going to happen in the final part. Ok so my question is what do you want me to add in this final part like trechary, murder religious tensions. please give me your opinion.
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