Map Thread X

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Esopo

Another wip of my fantasy map. Still names and something else must be added.

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I will add my praise to the others', I like the style, it evokes something like John Carter of Mars or CS Lewis' space trilogy.

[Esopo]

Originally Posted by Thande

I will add my praise to the others', I like the style, it evokes something like John Carter of Mars or CS Lewis' space trilogy.

Thanks! i/we am tryng to invent some words to develop a primitive language for that world. Then ill add them to the map.

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Esopo

Thanks! i/we am tryng to invent some words to develop a primitive language for that world.

I believe we have a thread about that very subject somewhere around if you haven't already posted on it. You may also be interested in this thread.

[Esopo]

Originally Posted by Thande

I believe we have a thread about that very subject somewhere around if you haven't already posted on it. You may also be interested in this thread.

Thanks very much! and no i dont know the thread about that...

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Esopo

Thanks very much! and no i dont know the thread about that...

Looking it up there's actually more than one conlang thread, but I think this is the most recent.

[Municipal Engines]

The great Pischinovski has a TL with a few incredible maps of many to come. I highly recommend it:

http://alternatehistory.com/discussi....php?p=6706909

[Whanztastic]

A TL I never got off the ground "Roosevelt's Revenge" or "Return of the Roosevelt" or "Roosevelt Rides Again" or "Roosevelt's Rage" or any combination of Roosevelt and other 'R' words.

Martha Bulloch Roosevelt dies after giving birth to her third child Elliot Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr., wracked with grief, moves west to take advantage of the Pike's Peak Gold Rush. With enough clout, he is appointed the newly formed Colorado Territory's first Governor, and soon his family joins him in the West. He is assisted with Freemason investments that no longer go to a different source (more on that later). But storm clouds are on the horizon...

The American Brothers' War goes... poorly for the Union. Sparked by the Battle of Fort Pickens, the first major blunders come when pompous General John C. Frémont nearly loses both Kentucky and Missouri to the talented General George Henry Thomas, whose wife suddenly fell ill and died prior to the hostilities. Missouri is only saved by the 1st and 2nd Colorado Mounted Rifles (in part financed by Gov. Roosevelt), who after successfully clearing Colorado, were sent east to assist the cause. However the tide soon turned to the Union favor, in part thanks to the brilliance of Quartermaster General William T. Sherman.

That is until, General Franklin "Beast" Butler made a fatal error. After seizing $800,000 from the Dutch consulate, he soon set his eyes on the French consulate which was he argued was aiding the rebel cause. While storming the building, several 'suspects', including Consul Mejan, fled to the Spanish ship Blasco de Garay in harbor. Union forces fired upon and boarded the ship, with casualties on both sides. France and Spain declare war on the United States and recognize the Confederacy. The UK does not but offers to be an independent mediatory at a peace talks.

Treaty of London (1863) sees the Confederacy preserved, but the Union is not otherwise punished. Kentucky and 'West Virginia', more anti-Union but no more pro-Confederacy hold a plebiscite and form the Commonwealth of Vandalia. Spain and France are buoyed by the successfully intervention.

The Union is hurt but eventually develops a 'good riddance' attitude over the years, as the CSA slowly slips into the French/Spanish sphere. The wounds feel heeled by the election of President Roosevelt in '72. The Chicago Fire offers an opportunity for the US to move the capital to the District of Phoenix, DC remaining a living monument to the war and basically a fortress. Realizing they can't escape the world, the US buddies up with the UK and even Russia (who is no threat to them). The Canadas no longer feel threatened by the US and are more comfortable expressing their regional differences.

The Union turns outward, accepting the purchase of North Borneo and developing ties with Aceh. Tensions run high with the Dutch and the US wins to successive Dutch-American Wars in '74 and '77, expanding their reach. With Japan split between British and French interests following a stalemate in the Boshin War, America asserts control over the Korean Peninsula and Formosa after clashing with the Chinese.

Spain under Isabella II reasserts itself in Latin America successfully and the nations break into Pro and Anti-Spain blocs. Venezuela collapses under a pile of debt and gets gobbled up, UK getting a larger Guyana buffer.

The Mexican Empire survives with French support and no Union influence eventually, still a growing power however but will soon be too much to be a 'satellite' anymore.

The butterflies caused chaos in Central Europe. Less Freemason money for Giuseppe Garibaldi's Mille means they fail. Two Sicilies and Sardinia have a minor clash but survive, as does a rump Rome. Italy does not attack Austria during the Austro-Prussian War.

Austria holds its own against the Prussians, with no troops needed on its southern border. Hanover manages to meet up with its southern allies. However, no power is able to best the other and a drawn out bloody battle ravages the minor principalities of the German Confederacy. Prussia eventually cannot hold out. France intervenes on the side of Austria and the Great Powers have a second Conference of Vienna. Bismarck resigns in disgrace and William abdicates. Frederick III is crowned (thrown from his horse in the war, he has to give up smoking).

The Great Powers consolidate the German states into spheres. The Kingdom of Westphalia is reestablished and aligns with France. Kingdom of Hanover expands and is 'UK friendly'. Prussia is castrated but exists under the protection of Russia. Saxony and the Southern German Confederacy expand under Austria's watch.

In reality, Prussia gets more friendly with the UK and conservative Hanover less. The industrial revolution empowers Westphalia who alligns with Belgium and the SGC against French and Austrian designs.

Alexander II lives and the Duma is formed, but a minor clash with reactionaries results and with the Duma getting more power and the Russian Empire is officially a constitutional monarchy, but loses Finland and Poland, and the UK gets an edge in Asia. They can't find a buyer for Alaska until later, finally accepting British bid.

Tragedy strikes the descendants of Queen Victoria and herself, with each male heir meeting an untimely fate. The Queen dies from a fall in 1883, and Queen Victoria III is crowned, married to the Prussian King!

Unwilling to see the British suppress the Irish, a Dual Monarchy situation is established an the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland is formed.

She dies in 1901 and William V is crowned King of the United Kingdoms and Ireland! When Freddie III dies in 1902, William V refuses to give up the throne and the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland and the Kingdom of Prussia find themselves in personal union. Nobody is happy with William and he is quickly assassinated. Prince Henry titles himself King Albert in both countries, attempting to establish both a new thread and tie to the old.

Austria is more powerful but with victory disease got cocky with Russia, loosing Galicia in the process. Hungarians are suppressed though.

With the UK dealing with dynastic problems and focused on Asia, France pushes its advantage in Africa, doing better than OTL. The Race for Africa is a little different, as to be expected.

China loses the Dowager Empress in court intrigue but infighting leads to the barbarians at the gates getting in. However, with the fat trimmed they are leaner and meaner, developing quickly, unwilling to get involved with foreigners and now with the teeth to back it up.

War is expected but nobody wants it. Hotspots are wide - the Germanies, Italy, Morocco, Japan, the East Indies, and the USA/CSA are all seen as likely to flame up. And then, the spark...

In 1912, the US Presidential election is a squeaker when ticket Sen. James S. Sherman/Adm. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. edges out President Henry du pont / Vice President James McReynolds. However, President-elect Sherman dies before he takes office. A minor domestic shuffle happens but Roosevelt takes the oath of office and is soon President Roosevelt. Not before the Spanish and French attempt a power grab at Morocco. War is declared and the powers line up. Little do they know, that Roosevelt has some fight in him...

The Americas are the first to fall into war but tensions rise in the Germanies too. Soon, the continent goes into the breach as well. Russia is unable to really assist its American friends until the Austrians and Ottomans get in. The UK/Prussia is hesitant but they can only stay out of a global war for so long...

EDIT: MAP IS NOW BELOW

[Martin23230]

Something new and different that I've been thinking about for a while. No specific PoD, based on the old pre-70s districts and counties.
Making a large modern Northumbria isn't easy, since I wanted basically a larger North East and you would lose that by going either much further north to Edinburgh or south to York and the South and West Yorkshire cities. So most of the areas outside the North East that are part of this Northumbria are mainly rural. Plus it sort of counts as a Durham-wank, which I approve of.

Oh, and the flag was a random one I created for Euro 2012 but rather liked in the end, more than the current Northumberland broken stripes flag.

[Whanztastic]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Something new and different that I've been thinking about for a while. No specific PoD, based on the old pre-70s districts and counties.
Making a large modern Northumbria isn't easy, since I wanted basically a larger North East and you would lose that by going either much further north to Edinburgh or south to York and the South and West Yorkshire cities. So most of the areas outside the North East that are part of this Northumbria are mainly rural. Plus it sort of counts as a Durham-wank, which I approve of.

Oh, and the flag was a random one I created for Euro 2012 but rather liked in the end, more than the current Northumberland broken stripes flag.

Way to make me look bad, but seriously nice map.

[Farkas]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

Confederate SW Africa, pretty much the worst place on Earth

Yeah... That looks like Japanese or Qing Yellow, not Confederate Gold.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

A TL I never got off the ground "Roosevelt's Revenge" or "Return of the Roosevelt" or "Roosevelt Rides Again" or "Roosevelt's Rage" or any combination of Roosevelt and other 'R' words.

Can you post the map and the description in 2 separate posts? The large image stretches the post and thus the line break, making the wall of text very hard to read.

[Martin23230]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

Way to make me look bad, but seriously nice map.

Fun fact - I was thinking the exact same when I saw you posted first . Since you, you know, put some effort into your timeline.

[Æsir]

Originally Posted by Farkas

Yeah... That looks like Japanese or Qing Yellow, not Confederate Gold.

Japanese Namibia?!

I'm tempted to make a map of that now...

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

Attachment 186746

I laughed quite a lot when I read Two Arabias, One Cup.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Something new and different that I've been thinking about for a while. No specific PoD, based on the old pre-70s districts and counties.
Making a large modern Northumbria isn't easy, since I wanted basically a larger North East and you would lose that by going either much further north to Edinburgh or south to York and the South and West Yorkshire cities. So most of the areas outside the North East that are part of this Northumbria are mainly rural. Plus it sort of counts as a Durham-wank, which I approve of.

Oh, and the flag was a random one I created for Euro 2012 but rather liked in the end, more than the current Northumberland broken stripes flag.

Attachment 186742

Cool. That flag belongs in the Nordic Cross thread.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Farkas

Yeah... That looks like Japanese or Qing Yellow, not Confederate Gold.

Either way, poor Hereros...

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

A TL I never got off the ground "Roosevelt's Revenge" or "Return of the Roosevelt" or "Roosevelt Rides Again" or "Roosevelt's Rage" or any combination of Roosevelt and other 'R' words.

Nice! Although I’m unsure that the Dutch would be dumb enough to provoke the US into a war: what were they expecting, that the Confederacy would come in on their side? The Prussia-stomping also seems a bit excessive…

Bruce

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Something new and different that I've been thinking about for a while. No specific PoD, based on the old pre-70s districts and counties.
Making a large modern Northumbria isn't easy, since I wanted basically a larger North East and you would lose that by going either much further north to Edinburgh or south to York and the South and West Yorkshire cities. So most of the areas outside the North East that are part of this Northumbria are mainly rural. Plus it sort of counts as a Durham-wank, which I approve of.

Oh, and the flag was a random one I created for Euro 2012 but rather liked in the end, more than the current Northumberland broken stripes flag.

Purty!

Bruce

[decker]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Something new and different that I've been thinking about for a while. No specific PoD, based on the old pre-70s districts and counties.
Making a large modern Northumbria isn't easy, since I wanted basically a larger North East and you would lose that by going either much further north to Edinburgh or south to York and the South and West Yorkshire cities. So most of the areas outside the North East that are part of this Northumbria are mainly rural. Plus it sort of counts as a Durham-wank, which I approve of.

Oh, and the flag was a random one I created for Euro 2012 but rather liked in the end, more than the current Northumberland broken stripes flag.

Both the map and the flag look good.
I always like administrative maps... but they always make me wonder what is the political system behind them!

[Whanztastic]

Originally Posted by Farkas

Yeah... That looks like Japanese or Qing Yellow, not Confederate Gold.

You are right (working on paint at work, sh...)

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Can you post the map and the description in 2 separate posts? The large image stretches the post and thus the line break, making the wall of text very hard to read.

Never knew why people did that, makes sense. Will delete and post below.

Originally Posted by Martin23230

Fun fact - I was thinking the exact same when I saw you posted first . Since you, you know, put some effort into your timeline.

Well the the aesthitics of yours are far superior.

Originally Posted by Æsir

Japanese Namibia?!

I'm tempted to make a map of that now...

Challenge accepted?

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

I laughed quite a lot when I read Two Arabias, One Cup.

I am to please.

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Either way, poor Hereros...

Yeah, it probably would be the worse place on earth, but the Confeds may not be organized enough to exact the sort of systematic fate they met IOTL.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Nice! Although I’m unsure that the Dutch would be dumb enough to provoke the US into a war: what were they expecting, that the Confederacy would come in on their side? The Prussia-stomping also seems a bit excessive…

Bruce

They didn't provoke the US, per se, they US kept pushing further into Borneo (the bullies they are) and propping up Aceh and they had to do something...

Prussia is actually a nice place to live IOTL, much more liberal, and grown up after the Bismarck experience, and are about to join the winning side of the largest war this world has ever scene!!!!