An Age of Miracles: The Revival of Rhomanion

[cimon]

Originally Posted by Alexandria Eschate

He means infantry.

Let him say that because I wonder about range:;what was it 50 metres?the infantry men needed about1.5 metres distace to fir safely....how could thy bring fire to bear on the target?only few could.

[PlayerOne]

I know that the African Romance languages were extinct some several hundred years ago, but in a perfect world...

Three updates in one week? You're spoiling us. Yaaay another Timur, how-- whoa shit Catherine the Great!!!

Some 400 or so years ahead of schedule, but hey, cool!

[thekingsguard]

An oath to restore the full Roman Empire, a new Timur and a Scandinavian Queen we already know will earn the miniker 'the great' hopefully by uniting Scandinavia.

B444, you've done it again!

[Derekc2]

Honestly Mr. 444 you should be a profesional writer. You are just awesome at writing. Once you are done with this you need to publish it. I would buy this!

[MerryPrankster]

If he published it, he would likely need to take it down here.

Better to write new material set in the universe, possibly expanding on the narrative here.

[Dumanios]

We've crossed the HSQ again. A possible Roman-Roman war, a civil war, another Timur, and Catherine the Great is here! The only thing missing is ninjas and Montezuma.

[Arrix85]

Originally Posted by PlayerOne

I know that the African Romance languages were extinct some several hundred years ago, but in a perfect world...

Three updates in one week? You're spoiling us. Yaaay another Timur, how-- whoa shit Catherine the Great!!!

Some 400 or so years ahead of schedule, but hey, cool!

To be precise it would be 225 years ahead of schedule, but it is cool nonetheless.

[ed_montague]

Originally Posted by Dumanios

The only thing missing is ninjas and Montezuma.

Since we already know that TTL's version of Hernan Cortez is going to be Roman, this opens up whole new possibilities.

[Basileus444]

Regarding the confusion on Catherine/Timur, they're both born within a few days of each. The Timurids don't know about Catherines (and the Swedes don't know about Timur II), and even if they did, they wouldn't care one bit.

@Dereckc2: You raise some very pertinent points. But do bear in mind the setting when Timur II was first mentioned (a Rhomania very irked with the Ottomans).

Haven't decided yet on what direction to go with Carthage, but a Berber Kingdom of Carthage is very intriguing.

Regarding the Empire of all the North and France-England, their developments are going to be very intertwined. That's why I had Catherine's birth take place now. I realized that I need her to be born now for her to be an adult for the final stage of the Thirty Years War, and since the next update will be meaty with important Roman developments, I made the very short separate update so her coming wouldn't be overlooked.

And there will be some important developments in the Anglo-French navy.

By gunners I mean infantry.

Thanks for the high praise. I really would like to turn the life of Andreas (or at least from the Black Day to Cannae) into a book.

Speaking of Montezuma, I've hemmed and hawed for quite a while, but I've finally decided how Mexico is going to develop, and I've already taken the first step in the desired direction.

[Derekc2]

Originally Posted by Basileus444

Regarding the confusion on Catherine/Timur, they're both born within a few days of each. The Timurids don't know about Catherines (and the Swedes don't know about Timur II), and even if they did, they wouldn't care one bit.

@Dereckc2: You raise some very pertinent points. But do bear in mind the setting when Timur II was first mentioned (a Rhomania very irked with the Ottomans).

Haven't decided yet on what direction to go with Carthage, but a Berber Kingdom of Carthage is very intriguing.

Regarding the Empire of all the North and France-England, their developments are going to be very intertwined. That's why I had Catherine's birth take place now. I realized that I need her to be born now for her to be an adult for the final stage of the Thirty Years War, and since the next update will be meaty with important Roman developments, I made the very short separate update so her coming wouldn't be overlooked.

And there will be some important developments in the Anglo-French navy.

By gunners I mean infantry.

Thanks for the high praise. I really would like to turn the life of Andreas (or at least from the Black Day to Cannae) into a book.

Speaking of Montezuma, I've hemmed and hawed for quite a while, but I've finally decided how Mexico is going to develop, and I've already taken the first step in the desired direction.

But Mr. 444 you said so in one of the quotes that "Timur is at the gates!" is still used in ITTL present day for greeks. The Eastern Romans I think still prefere Ottomons to Timurids. At least they can count on the Ottomons not alway's try to invade them. Something the timurids done or at least tried every they get really powerfull. So if the timurids get too successfull I think the Eastern Romans will help the Ottomons. Exspecally with a name of Timur II. That's just asking for trouble in the middle east.

Also the Ottomans could ally with Tieh China with them getting Samarkland in exchange for them not having to worry about Samarkland trying something stupid.

[cimon]

Originally Posted by Derekc2

But Mr. 444 you said so in one of the quotes that "Timur is at the gates!" is still used in ITTL present day for greeks. The Eastern Romans I think still prefere Ottomons to Timurids. At least they can count on the Ottomons not alway's try to invade them. Something the timurids done or at least tried every they get really powerfull. So if the timurids get too successfull I think the Eastern Romans will help the Ottomons. Exspecally with a name of Timur II. That's just asking for trouble in the middle east.

Also the Ottomans could ally with Tieh China with them getting Samarkland in exchange for them not having to worry about Samarkland trying something stupid.

Derekc2,
I am of adifferent opinion:the Byzantines could have a fruitful diplomatic accord with the Timurids and the Ottomans who have always been their enemies,could be reduced to unimportace and what remains would be Timurid vassals...
Timurids will not stay there for ever...

[cimon]

Originally Posted by Basileus444

Regarding the confusion on Catherine/Timur, they're both born within a few days of each. The Timurids don't know about Catherines (and the Swedes don't know about Timur II), and even if they did, they wouldn't care one bit.

@Dereckc2: You raise some very pertinent points. But do bear in mind the setting when Timur II was first mentioned (a Rhomania very irked with the Ottomans).

Haven't decided yet on what direction to go with Carthage, but a Berber Kingdom of Carthage is very intriguing.

Regarding the Empire of all the North and France-England, their developments are going to be very intertwined. That's why I had Catherine's birth take place now. I realized that I need her to be born now for her to be an adult for the final stage of the Thirty Years War, and since the next update will be meaty with important Roman developments, I made the very short separate update so her coming wouldn't be overlooked.

And there will be some important developments in the Anglo-French navy.

By gunners I mean infantry.

Thanks for the high praise. I really would like to turn the life of Andreas (or at least from the Black Day to Cannae) into a book.

Speaking of Montezuma, I've hemmed and hawed for quite a while, but I've finally decided how Mexico is going to develop, and I've already taken the first step in the desired direction.

Infantry could not have the effect you described because they would need a 2,5 klm front,and the enemy flank is a lot shorter;fire by sections in line is ineffectual;what about relays? It reduces the front to one third...

[SavoyTruffle]

Basileus, why not write "The Andread" as a stand-alone book set in the Age of Miracles universe?

[MerryPrankster]

Originally Posted by SavoyTruffle

Basileus, why not write "The Andread" as a stand-alone book set in the Age of Miracles universe?

That would be a good introductory novel. Although you've posted a lot of narrative here, you'd need So Much More for an actual book that you could tell your publisher these were just advertising snippets or something like that.

[liza]

Andreas stared at his adversary counterpart, Alfredo of Lecce. A angular man, but far taller than Andreas, with a heavily brindle face and brownish hair. German ancestor, best likely, not hasty because the name. Alfredo’s horse snorted as a fly flew into his nose, the Apulian abstracted the adult with a few acclamation on the close and a whisper. He looked up, staring anon at Andreas. “So why are we here? Have you appear to acquaint me whether I’m to be fatigued and quartered, or above in oil?”

[Derekc2]

Originally Posted by cimon

Derekc2,
I am of adifferent opinion:the Byzantines could have a fruitful diplomatic accord with the Timurids and the Ottomans who have always been their enemies,could be reduced to unimportace and what remains would be Timurid vassals...
Timurids will not stay there for ever...

And then the ottomans recover. They did it once. They would do it again.
But I think the Eastern Romans hate the timurids more. Also I have a feeling when the Timur II comes down from Central Asia Eastern Rome will still be in the time of troubles and thus not all that usefull to the Timurids.Also what's the point of the Samarkland pledge if it never get's fullfilled? I would find to be such a waste.

Also you ignored my comment about the Ottomans allying with Tieh China.

[Elfwine]

Pledging something doesn't grant one the right to accomplish it, although my money is on Timur II being underwhelming.

[Arrix85]

Originally Posted by Basileus444

Ze Kaisar: Basically I rated all three leaders on two things, military skills and statemanship (how good are they are building up cohesive states and alliances). Military is first, statesmanship is second.

Timur I: 10, 4
Shah Rukh: 6, 9 (did a good job of exploiting internal rivalries and actually convinced a good portion of his empire to join him more or less voluntarily)
Timur II: 8, 7

Admittedly this system makes Timur I look bad, but he didn't have the advantages they did of the state system he did begin and the prestige of being descended from Timur the Great.

I dug up this comparison B444 made a while ago to help in the discussion. If this guy is better than Shah Rukh on military skills and he doesn't suck in statemanship... His empire may not outlast him for long, but the Ottomans will shed quite a few tears.

[cimon]

Originally Posted by Derekc2

And then the ottomans recover. They did it once. They would do it again.
But I think the Eastern Romans hate the timurids more. Also I have a feeling when the Timur II comes down from Central Asia Eastern Rome will still be in the time of troubles and thus not all that usefull to the Timurids.Also what's the point of the Samarkland pledge if it never get's fullfilled? I would find to be such a waste.

Also you ignored my comment about the Ottomans allying with Tieh China.

The Ottomans have already started raiding which is a hostile act therefore any accords in law are null and void. Treating with the Timurids puts the Ottomans between two great powers;one decisive battle and their state is overrun and if the Chinese arrive late on the sceen which is likely due to the distance, the Timurids can concentrate on them.Meanwhile it is easy for the the Byzantines to bring Ethiopeans into the fray with the aim of excluding the Ottomans from the Persian Gulf; The rest is easy to guess.
The Ottomans will never recover...

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by cimon

The Ottomans have already started raiding which is a hostile act therefore any accords in law are null and void. Treating with the Timurids puts the Ottomans between two great powers;one decisive battle and their state is overrun and if the Chinese arrive late on the sceen which is likely due to the distance, the Timurids can concentrate on them.Meanwhile it is easy for the the Byzantines to bring Ethiopeans into the fray with the aim of excluding the Ottomans from the Persian Gulf; The rest is easy to guess.

Is it the Ottomans or the nomads? Did the nomads go with the Ottomans when they left Anatolia?

If nomads and yes, then the Ottomans may not have full control over them.