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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:42 PM
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AHC: give GB a French Guiana

The challenge is to allow GB to add one of it's colonies into the main state and keep it until the modern day.

The Falklands do not count obviously

I was thinking sierra leone maybe?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:47 PM
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Malta had a referendum on becoming part of the UK proper in the 1950's that was only narrowly defeated mainly because the Nationalist Party boycotted it because a dispute over the use of Italian. Others are possible but you need there to be a completely different mindset in Britain, more like that of France. After Suez the policy was to get rid of as many colonies and commitments as possible so either avoid that clusterfuck or make it an Anglo-French victory and if Britain does much better economically then more colonies will be interested in a closer relationship.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:50 PM
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The challenge is to allow GB to add one of it's colonies into the main state and keep it until the modern day.

The Falklands do not count obviously

I was thinking sierra leone maybe?
If you want a British colony directly integrated into the UK (in other words, with representation at Westminster, rather than the OTL examples like Bermuda or the Falklands, which are mostly independent but with Britain handling foreign policy and the like) then Malta is likely your best bet.

Malta had a referendum on integrating into the UK in 1956, it was proposed that they would have a devolved parliament, but would also send MPs to Westminster and hand over control of foreign policy, defence, taxation etc. to London. Malta voted 77% in favour of the proposals, but it was never enacted due to low turnout and a boycott by the Nationalist Party (although a good 59.1% of the population did in fact vote). Have the referendum accepted or give it a better turnout and Malta becomes part of the UK. Simple

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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:52 PM
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Well it seems Malta is definatly one
Another countries?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 04:24 PM
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If Malta gets it then there may have been more interest shown elsewhere, I'd say Gibraltar is likely, maybe Bermuda and some of the Caribbean colonies possibly Mauritius and the Seychelles as well as the Pacific Islands. Of larger, continental colonies maybe The Gambia as it is probably too small to be a viable nation, your OP mentioned Sierra Leone, that was entirely a reaction to the brutality of the civil war and the success of the British intervention. However SL has plentiful resources and would be a very rich state today if it had been properly governed post independence. But the regime of Joseph Momoh was, even by African standards, spectacularly corrupt and incompetent and led to the conditions that caused the civil war and made renewed colonialism seem a better option.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 05:13 PM
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Don't forget Newfoundland. They could be added easily in 1949 instead of going to Canada.

Gibralter, Malta, and such are good, but what about a small Princely state in India that would want to be part of the UK instead of an independent India? That might be interesting in the long run.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 05:33 PM
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Don't forget Newfoundland. They could be added easily in 1949 instead of going to Canada.

Gibralter, Malta, and such are good, but what about a small Princely state in India that would want to be part of the UK instead of an independent India? That might be interesting in the long run.
India wouldn't like to hear any of that for any reason whatsoever.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 06:37 PM
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How about Singapore perhaps the city joins the UK after being kicked out of the Malaysian Federation.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 07:04 PM
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Is there any way for them to actually get Guyana?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Is there any way for them to actually get Guyana?
Not sure As the "commie" party tried to get elected their and GB declared martial law and banned the constitution in retaliation which didn't endear them to the people

India is a no go

Singapore is a maybe if Malta succeds and their is a mass integration movement

Newfoundland is a possibility
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 07:56 PM
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Malta's the most likely as it was considered in OTL. Maybe Newfoundland?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 08:23 PM
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Hong kong? Maybe
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 08:30 PM
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Hong kong? Maybe
Well then the UK would need to work something out with China. Maybe if the Chinese civil war ends in different way...
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 01:57 AM
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Hong Kong is difficult; you'd need the UK to have a legal claim on the new territories past '97, and a Chinese government who won't do a Goa on you.

That's a tall order, and it's unlikely that having Chiang in charge is going to help- he tried to get the city after WWII but the British managed to beat him back to it.


... possibly the UK negotiates an extended lease on the new territories in return for forgiving Chinese debt?
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 03:17 AM
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... possibly the UK negotiates an extended lease on the new territories in return for forgiving Chinese debt?
That's probably the best way.

I can see the idea of Tiananmen Square being a lot uglier than OTL (hard to do but possible), which makes the PRC outright hated by much of the western world, including Britain. Very loud calls for Hong Kong to stay British are heard after Tiananmen Square, complete with huge protests and the like, and the British government of the day decides that keeping Hong Kong could well be in their economic best interest. China loses big economically as nations pull out after the massacres, and China ends up with a big debt issue as a result, and the UK forgives its debt in return for a 100-year extension on the lease to the New Territories and the colony staying British. China agrees in 1993, eager to turn around its diplomatic problems in the West. Hong Kong stays under the British flag in 1997, and the territories of the old Hong Kong become part of Britain in 2004.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:12 AM
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I think a more powerful Britain would certainly have tried to keep Hong Kong, as said above it would need for Britain to give HK full democratic self government and have a clear majority of the population behind Britain. Preventing HK being Goa'ed is possible if you're prepared to do the necessary, basically you make it official policy that if one PLA soldier crosses the border Beijing and Shanghai get nuked. IIRC Macmillan tried to get the Americans to give such a garuntee about HK in the 1960's, if Britain remains a major player in SE Asia then it's likely there will be nuclear weapons in the region, IOTL there were nuclear bombs and V-Bombers based at RAF Tengah in Singapore probably with such a scenario in mind.

Of course if the PRC leadership is sufficiently determined/crazy enough then they may try to call Britain's bluff...
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:24 AM
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Looking at Africa, The Gambia seems like a good bet. Small, homogenous, and fairly easy to integrate into the British system of government.

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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:33 PM
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Probably Belize, if you want a particularly "French Guiana-y" version. (i.e., a fairly large, mostly jungle covered, area, but with a low-ish population.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 05:32 PM
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Surely the simplest way would be for one or more of the OTL current British Overseas Territories to be incorporated into the United Kingdom. Gibraltar would be the first that springs to mind, as it's semi-close, had a semi-hostile country next door and would immediately benefit from entry into the EU under the UK banner.

Belize, Hong Kong & Singapore are all other candidates that spring to mind as they all have no entirely friendly neighbours and are small territories, and HK and Singapore were somewhat western aligned and trade orientated. Malta jumps out as a candidate as well as already mentioned due to the OTL history.

Jamaica, Newfoundland, Cyprus are longer shots, but maybe possible.
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