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[B_Munro]

Thought: rather than a Sweden that goes Orthodox, how about a Poland that goes Protestant? Then you could have the Polish-Swedish union keep Russia too concentrated on surviving in the west to pay much attention to eastern Siberia...

Bruce

[B_Munro]

Been in a bit of a creative mood lately: here's an ASB map I did for the "alphabetical" map contest, red-brown and Communism.

The ASB's send early 1980s Cuba back to the 1730s: Castro, realizing his technological advantage won't last for long (you really can't keep up late 20th century tech with the manpower and resources of Cuba) sets out to grab as much as he can, and puppetize some more, among the still thinly populated states of Latin America and the Caribbean, and in the meantime give those bloody Americanos a preemptive kick in the ass...

20 years later, El Jefe Supremo is dying (advanced medical tech has been slipping), civil war has broken out in former Peru between the hispanicized and more purely Indian populations (the local all-white elites have been shortened by a head, but there's still a lot of locals who identify more Spanish than Indio), and the struggle continues to bring technological decline to a halt somewhere in the late 19th century rather than further back. Meanwhile, the badly scared other powers in the Americas, Portuguese, British, French, and Spaniards have patched over their differences and joined forces to defend themselves against these crazed radicals from a supposed "future", whose weird ideas have already caused political turmoil and upheavel across Europe, even as their brutality has alienated upper-class reformers. As Cuba slips back, Europeans push forward with ideas stolen from the Cubans and given by Cuban refugees: British engineers and scientists in particular are working hard to perfect the steam-driven ironclad, and put an end to Cuban naval supremacy...

Bruce

[B_Munro]

And here's the map.

Bruce

[Farkas]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here's the map.

Bruce

New Africa. Yet again, I amazed. Bruce is just great.

For some reason, though, I rather doubt that even with all these gains, Cuba would not last for long by itself in this scenario. Maybe if it gains a fellow communist European ally...

I know this is ASB and all, but I still have to wonder how Cuba gained such unwavering influence over coastal California without a canal.

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here's the map.

Bruce

If Cuba is doing poorly I wonder how an ISOTed Bhutan, Paraguay or even Chad would do.

[B_Munro]

'Twas a bit of a rush job.

Bruce

[Farkas]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

If Cuba is doing poorly I wonder how an ISOTed Bhutan, Paraguay or even Chad would do.

Well, I'd imagine the only reason Cuba controls such vast expanses of continental land is mainly because these were Spanish lands, and were sparsely populated to begin with.

[B_Munro]

Quite: the whole conquered area in the early 1700s had less than the population of Cuba today (11 million or so?)

Bruce

[Iori]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Quite: the whole conquered area in the early 1700s had less than the population of Cuba today (11 million or so?)

Bruce

11.2 milllion to be specific.

In the long run Cuba itself will probably stop being influential, since it has historically had slow population growth*, and once modern medicein and agriculture get established on the Mainland the population is going to explode, and that's not even taking into account any possible immigration.



*It took 50 years (1950-2000) for its population just to double from 5.5 million 11 million; as an example of how slow this is, in the same period DR Congo's population more than quadrupled from 12.1 million to 49.6 million or, perhaps more comparably, Mexico population increased nearly the same amount from 26.2 million to 99.9 million.

[d32123]

Iori, don't islands in general have slow population growth?

[Iori]

Originally Posted by d32123

Iori, don't islands in general have slow population growth?

Small islands do, however large islands like Cuba don't, to show this I'll list some islands smaller than Cuba that are more populous;

Kyushu - 34% the size of Cuba - 13 million
Sir Lanka - 59.7% the size of Cuba - 20.2 million
Mindanao - 88.7% the size of Cuba - 21.5 million

Of course their's also the fact that 2 of the most populous countries in the world, Indonesia (237.6 million) and Japan (127.5 million) are archipelagic countries, with very populated islands*.


*The island of Java, which is only about 22% larger than Cuba has 138 million people.

[d32123]

Originally Posted by Iori

Small islands do, however large islands like Cuba don't, to show this I'll list some islands smaller than Cuba that are more populous;

Kyushu - 34% the size of Cuba - 13 million
Sir Lanka - 59.7% the size of Cuba - 20.2 million
Mindanao - 88.7% the size of Cuba - 21.5 million

Of course their's also the fact that 2 of the most populous countries in the world, Indonesia (237.6 million) and Japan (127.5 million) are archipelagic countries, with very populated islands*.


*The island of Java, which is only about 22% larger than Cuba has 138 million people.

Why do you think Cuba is so much less densely populated? Lack of time for people to settle there? Limited arable land?

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by d32123

Why do you think Cuba is so much less densely populated? Lack of time for people to settle there? Limited arable land?

A lot of communist countries have had early demographic transition and very low birth rates in recent times...

Bruce

[Iori]

Originally Posted by d32123

Why do you think Cuba is so much less densely populated? Lack of time for people to settle there? Limited arable land?

Multiple reasons, firstly the island essentially had to be completely repopulated, since the native populations had been totally wiped out, then add being part of Spain which, while practicing settler colonialism, did'nt have as many and those it did have were originally spread across a much larger area and then once they lost everything but their Caribbean holdings their simply was'nt alot of impetus for people to move their, especially given slavery remained in practice in Cuba until 1866 and their was thus their was no economic incentive until the latter half of the 19th century then of course you have Cubas chaotic history after that, first being annexed by the United States and then turned into a de facto puppet state followed by corrupt regimes lead to Cuba never becoming a major immigration destination like the rest of the America's were.

Originally Posted by B_Munro

A lot of communist countries have had early demographic transition and very low birth rates in recent times...

Bruce

While this is true, Cubas growth has been slow for over a century and long before it went Communist.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Iori

Since I've sort of started my own little tradition of posting it whenever I do an overhaul (IE chnging it to an updated version and adding/changing colors), I prsent to you the Compendium Naturalis et Alternus Mundus Colores.

For those who've never seen it the CNAMC is basically my version of the 'expanded color systems', including all the GCS colors (IE OTL) in addition to colors for AH countries and alternate colors for existing countries for various situations.

No Texas gold?

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Pischinovski

it was map-excercise-time, or how i call it mapcercise-time:

Belgium in a Alternate-WW2-Nazi-Victory-Scenario:

France was beaten in WW2 but leaned after the war stronger towards Italy and southern europe, that to the nazi-dominated northern europe.
Now the time for WW3 came and the Belgian puppet state will probably annex some land in the south ... if Berlin's plans succeed.

In red the annexation-plan, in green Belgium in 1939:


EDIT: Charleroi/Karolingen now shown as capital

I love the 'handwriting' you made on it.

[Iori]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

No Texas gold?

No, I never do TLs or maps in which Texas needs a color, though to be honest I've always seen Texas as being red, though that may be from playing Victoria so much.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Blomma

The Reichskommissariat of Ukraine and its subdivisions (Generalbezirke). Volhynia-Podolia, East Volhynia, Polesia, Upper Neper (Dniepr), Lower Neper and Greuthungland were to be settled with Germans as part of the Lebensraum concept. The eastern part of Volgaland-North had already been settled by Germans in the 1700 and 1800s. They were allowed to stay to secure the border with Russia (Soviet Union). Wolgaburg (Volga Fortress) is a city on the opposite shore of where Stalingrad once stood. This city of roughly 400 000 inhabitants (all Germans) were to secure the southern part of the border. It was also constructed as a major shoe-in-the-face to the Russians.

The major cities in the east (Wolgaburg, Saratau, Astrachan etc) were connected to the Reich by enormous Autobahns and a railwork network with the German gaige width. Along the way of these roads and railroads smaller German villages and towns were constructed such as Georghalden, Gremsdorf, Neukassel, Büznow, Bachten and Weißkirchen.

The Ukrainian nationals who were not deported to Siberia or forced to serve on German farms were herded to the east. They were to reside in the Generalbezirke of Severia, Donezland, Blackland, Donland, Volgaland-South and eastern Volgaland-North. These areas were not to be Germanised, except for the capitals and other major Autobahn hubs.

Circa 1955-1960.

The next map in this universe will be one of the whole European continent, showing the current state of affairs.

Such an unpleasant scenario, but such an awesome series of maps. Can't wait to see all of Europe.

Also, consider making it into 2 posts so the text is easier to read.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Iori

No, I never do TLs or maps in which Texas needs a color, though to be honest I've always seen Texas as being red, though that may be from playing Victoria so much.

A. You should

B. Yeah, I used to as well, but then I saw those color schemes with a fuckton of colors and they always had some kind of gold for Texas/Tejas.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here's the map.

Bruce

I imagine a lot of small arms leaps in the rest of the world. Very cool scenario.