American King: Take Two

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by wiiguy

Oh, just for laffs, I made this.
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Guess who?

You got me. The file name only gives me a small clue.

[wiiguy]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

You got me. The file name only gives me a small clue.

It's Hannibal Barca. In napoleon's uniform.

[Napoleon53]

I'm back!

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

Just found a huge whole in the story. Its written that Dolley Madison was married to John Todd, who died in the Great Revolution. She then married James Madison, who died in circa 1786 of an Indian raid on his plantation. Afterwords, she married Andrew Jackson.

In OTL, she married John Todd (1790-1793), and their child was John Payne Todd, born 1792. She then married James Madison in 1794.

So how does John I exist if his father was killed over a decade before he was born? I'm sorry, but I think you'll have to recon Dolley's history before 1795 or so, and maybe rewrite what happened to James Madison.

Darn, darn, darn, darn. *throws you in pit in basement for pointing that out and screams about lotion and handbaskets* I'm lazy; what would you propose to fix it? I'd prefer something as minimal as possible. And are you sure I didn't make a typo and I still got my facts right?

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

Any chance the 1828 Crown nominee can be William Henry Harrison, who I defeat? I wanna defeat a really important historical person, but I can't find anyone that would fit.

Nope, Harrison would probably win. Too unrealistic. Plus, he's probably tired of politics after managing the job the first time.

Originally Posted by Clandango

Can we soon have a post on social or economic events and trends?

Yes.

Originally Posted by wiiguy

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Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

I don't see how. Since the King decides, and could pick absolutely anyone running, I can't see anyone or any newspaper taking it upon themselves to guess like that.

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Someone gets what they think is a hot tip about the King's decision, and without checking up on the facts, they decide to print his decision early, and then something happens. (Scandal, change of decision, unforeseeable death, etm.)

Valid point, Met. Maybe Dewey gets a hole blown in his head.

Originally Posted by Michael.D.Luffy

I was thinking that Canada should claim the rest of the north (excluding dollyland). Maybe it would just be token, but to me Canada seems.. a bit small.

You're thinking in OTL terms, where Canada is a bloated empty American colony. Canada is a small-ish country in this. Louisiana will probably claim the rest eventually.

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

I must admit, I'm shocked that John Brown hasn't made an appearance in the TL yet. Don't tell me this will be the first TL where John Brown dies of old age!?!

Soon, my friend! Soon!

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

Is it too early for Congress to pass an anti-union bill? Maybe in response to the war, progressives and some socialists in the north east see this as their chance to act; so they threaten to strike, thus hurting the war effort, if conditions aren't immediately improved. Then Congress passes a law (Anti-Strike and Unionization Act?) banning unions, getting bipartisan support from Whigs and Crowns. Its not given much publicity and no one really gives it a second thought as a big deal (to them its just another daily law) but in about 50 years or so it becomes a major thing.

idk, I think it'd add a little something to the story, like we'd all be waiting for the situation to explode or something

That'd be fun. Maybe it could lead to something later where they allow unions or face worker strikes. Interesting...

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

When did Napoleon leave the Presidency of Louisiana, and was he immediately succeeded by Napoleon II? And although Louisiana is completely dominated by that family, its still technically a functioning republic. What do the monarchies think of this?

President till he died. Succeeded immediately by his son Napolm II. It's kind of like an Italian Republic; an oligarchy. Andy and Johnny are cool with that.

Originally Posted by wiiguy

Oh, just for laffs, I made this.

Guess who?

Hannibal was Arabic, IMO. His nose looks strongly Arab-Turkish to me. https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/im...m15XwC41gFQADt

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

I'm back!

Good. Get on it.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Darn, darn, darn, darn. *throws you in pit in basement for pointing that out and screams about lotion and handbaskets* I'm lazy; what would you propose to fix it? I'd prefer something as minimal as possible. And are you sure I didn't make a typo and I still got my facts right?

President till he died. Succeeded immediately by his son Napolm II. It's kind of like an Italian Republic; an oligarchy. Andy and Johnny are cool with that.

I'd say basically keep the same thing as OTL. Dolley and John Todd marry in 1790, John I is born in 1792, and John Todd dies in 1793 of disease just like he did in real life. Dolley then marries James Madison, who dies for some reason (might be a little too late for an Indian attack) in maybe 1796. She then marries Jackson in 1797 just before he heads to Panama. Or just cut James Madison out of the picture all together so Jackson can marry her earlier than that, and have him do something different.

Really, till he died? That's weird; he'd be 86, and you said how he traveled all over (like Egypt) and wrote books and did awesome stuff. That'd be really hard to do while President of a large and it seems complicated country. While you're stuck with a monarch for life, he could easily step down from the Presidency and give it to one of his supporters. Early 1830s seems like a more appropriate area, so he has more time for doing all the things you described.

[Napoleon53]

Hope to get a new chapter up tonight!

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

I'd say basically keep the same thing as OTL. Dolley and John Todd marry in 1790, John I is born in 1792, and John Todd dies in 1793 of disease just like he did in real life. Dolley then marries James Madison, who dies for some reason (might be a little too late for an Indian attack) in maybe 1796. She then marries Jackson in 1797 just before he heads to Panama. Or just cut James Madison out of the picture all together so Jackson can marry her earlier than that, and have him do something different.

Really, till he died? That's weird; he'd be 86, and you said how he traveled all over (like Egypt) and wrote books and did awesome stuff. That'd be really hard to do while President of a large and it seems complicated country. While you're stuck with a monarch for life, he could easily step down from the Presidency and give it to one of his supporters. Early 1830s seems like a more appropriate area, so he has more time for doing all the things you described.

Excellent proposal! I think I shall take that suggestion; easy solution.

Napo did all that stuff on vacations and ambassadorial trips. And he probably turned things over to his son or a supporter while he took them. He didn't do them all the time, he just lived to be really old so he had a lot of opportunities. He could easily write books while in his "Oval Office," so he had plenty of time for that during peacetime. I definitely don't want him to step down and hand power to a non-related supporter. The Bonapartes are the oligarchical family, and Napo was the Godfather. You're either in The Family, or you're not. *Napo pets kitten in dimly-lit room*

[marcus_aurelius]

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

Really, till he died? That's weird; he'd be 86, and you said how he traveled all over (like Egypt) and wrote books and did awesome stuff. That'd be really hard to do while President of a large and it seems complicated country. While you're stuck with a monarch for life, he could easily step down from the Presidency and give it to one of his supporters. Early 1830s seems like a more appropriate area, so he has more time for doing all the things you described.

Hmm, he sounds just like the late Count Dickens...

BTW, one more idea if it's not too late: Lin Zexu as an anti-French agitator in league with the leading Catholic priest in China (one Hong Xiuquan, to be exact ), while former British (now American/Canadian) surgeon William Jardine opens a school of medicine in American Philippines.

Marc A

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Hope to get a new chapter up tonight!

You'd better.

[wiiguy]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Hope to get a new chapter up tonight!

Good man. I can't wait. This should be good.

[Napoleon53]

Go look in the Expanded Universe thread. Major addition. Mormonism meets Communism (and Joseph Smith meets Lenin) in a shocking way. Disclaimer: I have nothing against Mormons and I even have a Mormon friend. 'Tis all in good fun. And most of you are atheists, anyway.

Also, Rooster is doing a terrific job with the wiki; 60 pages!

[Napoleon53]

One of the longest wiki pages so far. http://americankingseries.wikia.com/...oseph_Smith_II

John Brown is a disciple of Joseph Smith in Virginia.

Again, go look in the Expanded Universe thread; it has a new addition which will really impact AK.

[Michael.D.Luffy]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

You're thinking in OTL terms, where Canada is a bloated empty American colony. Canada is a small-ish country in this. Louisiana will probably claim the rest eventually.

I think most Canadians are rather less bloated then the majority of the american population . (Joking please don't go all, America F**k Yeah! on me).

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Go look in the Expanded Universe thread. Major addition. Mormonism meets Communism (and Joseph Smith meets Lenin) in a shocking way.

Also, Rooster is doing a terrific job with the wiki; 60 pages!

Very interesting! I can definitely see John Brown as a disciple. But the GMR is definitely not Libertarian; its anarchy. A libertarian country would actually have a government, and especially a strong court system; vigilante justice goes way against libertarian beliefs. With no limits on business, they'd be extremely prosperous too. Besides, even if they did have a lot of violence (which I highly doubt), it probably wouldn't last for long; even if they couldn't, the URAS and Canada might force them to put it down, lest the violence spread across their border. And I find it interesting that Joseph Smith II was so influenced by John Adams; why is that?

And polygamy was common is a real long shot; even in OTL, it was practiced by an extreme minority of Mormons, and even that was because most of the men and husbands had been killed due to mob violence. For Smith to take up polygamy, I can definitely see that, since those prostitutes would be easily susceptible to his beliefs, and a "cult" mentality works perfectly. But for it to be common in the GMR, or anywhere for that matter? No way.

And thanks so much! Its great to see that the timeline is expanding with general information. I'm really glad you like my pages on the "Founding Fathers," especially John Adams

Originally Posted by Michael.D.Luffy

(Joking please don't go all, America F**k Yeah! on me).

You spelled "Murica" wrong

[Napoleon53]

Originally Posted by Michael.D.Luffy

I think most Canadians are rather less bloated then the majority of the american population . (Joking please don't go all, America F**k Yeah! on me).

At least King John doesn't live on donuts and moose meat. (Weird Al reference)

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

Very interesting! I can definitely see John Brown as a disciple. But the GMR is definitely not Libertarian; its anarchy. A libertarian country would actually have a government, and especially a strong court system; vigilante justice goes way against libertarian beliefs. With no limits on business, they'd be extremely prosperous too. Besides, even if they did have a lot of violence (which I highly doubt), it probably wouldn't last for long; even if they couldn't, the URAS and Canada might force them to put it down, lest the violence spread across their border. And I find it interesting that Joseph Smith II was so influenced by John Adams; why is that?

And polygamy was common is a real long shot; even in OTL, it was practiced by an extreme minority of Mormons, and even that was because most of the men and husbands had been killed due to mob violence. For Smith to take up polygamy, I can definitely see that, since those prostitutes would be easily susceptible to his beliefs, and a "cult" mentality works perfectly. But for it to be common in the GMR, or anywhere for that matter? No way.

And thanks so much! Its great to see that the timeline is expanding with general information. I'm really glad you like my pages on the "Founding Fathers," especially John Adams

Changed it to Anarcho-Libertarianism. The economy isn't terrible, but they just don't have a huge population, and the brutal winters don't help matters. Canada and the URAS did essentially force them to put it down; that's what I was hinting at with the part of the chapter that talked about how the GMR army and police were suiting up to restore order.

John Adams believed in "fair" government. Smith II took this idea and ran with it.

Polygamy was actually supposed to be cut out. I forgot. He's not a polygamist, just a... "live-iner". Living unmarried is not that big a deal now in OTL. When you push it to almost twenty women in the same house with one man, it kind of goes far beyond that.

Common anywhere but GMR, definitely not, though there will be practitioners. You'll just have to wait and see. BTW, I'm editing Andrew I's last words to have a diss about Joseph Smith.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Changed it to Anarcho-Libertarianism. The economy isn't terrible, but they just don't have a huge population, and the brutal winters don't help matters. Canada and the URAS did essentially force them to put it down; that's what I was hinting at with the part of the chapter that talked about how the GMR army and police were suiting up to restore order.

John Adams believed in "fair" government. Smith II took this idea and ran with it.

Polygamy was actually supposed to be cut out. I forgot. He's not a polygamist, just a... "live-iner". Living unmarried is not that big a deal now in OTL. When you push it to almost twenty women in the same house with one man, it kind of goes far beyond that. Common anywhere but GMR, definitely not, though there will be practitioners. You'll just have to wait and see. BTW, I'm editing Andrew I's last words to have a diss about Joseph Smith.

Good, I wouldn't want to spoil the good name libertarianism has gotten on this board That's a good point about population, but the few people there would no doubt be wealthy; free trade and a market where businesses could grow would make it a very good place for the continent to place large businesses. I actually have a part on my wiki page where it says I bought an estate there

Sound logic

Good, I think that will make a lot for sense. And I can't wait to see how Jackson curses done the communists with his dying breath!

[Napoleon53]

Oh, yeah, they're wealthy, some of them at least. After a while they've developed monopolies on things like maple syrup, fish, and other goods, and run others out of business. And some are immigrants and internationally wanted criminals seeking asylum there. Kaintuck is a proper Libertarian state, with an increasing emphasis on national defense, proper courts, and fair but firm laws.

Oh, and EVERYTHING is up on the main site: http://americankingseries.webs.com/americankingii.htm

All finished chapters are up and (hopefully) all corrections have been made. I added a reference to Smithism in Andy's last words, corrected Gwen (Andy' daughter)'s title from "Grand Duchess" to "Viscountess," and inserted Bledar Baris into the Great South American War. Ooh, and Juan is now changed to the Portuguese spelling for the Emperor of Brazil. If I've forgotten anything, let me know guys! I'm still working on John I and James Madison.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Kaintuck is a proper Libertarian state, with an increasing emphasis on national defense, proper courts, and fair but firm laws.

Oh, and EVERYTHING is up on the main site

I'm still working on John I and James Madison.

I'll change my estate to being in Kaintuck, in that case

The site looks great!

Can't wait to hear what happens to Madison! How about he's one of the people who is banished from Virginia when its forcibly held in the Union in 1783! I also have George Mason as one of the banished people. He then moves to a different country, maybe Louisiana and then after the Second Seven Years War Kaintuck, where he becomes a writer about classical libertarian ideals; nothing as spontaneous or as famous as Adams' writing, but over a much longer term till his OTL death. And maybe he helps create the Kaintuck Whig Party! Just brain storming

[Napoleon53]

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

I'll change my estate to being in Kaintuck, in that case

The site looks great!

Can't wait to hear what happens to Madison! How about he's one of the people who is banished from Virginia when its forcibly held in the Union in 1783! I also have George Mason as one of the banished people. He then moves to a different country, maybe Louisiana and then after the Second Seven Years War Kaintuck, where he becomes a writer about classical libertarian ideals; nothing as spontaneous or as famous as Adams' writing, but over a much longer term till his OTL death. And maybe he helps create the Kaintuck Whig Party! Just brain storming

Good idea! Kaintuck is much more appropriate for DeRensis' style.

Danke!

Ooh, I like that Madison idea.

Woah, brainstorm idea: Madison moves to Tenasee, the neutral asylum state that offers maximum freedom and business opportunities, and there he sets up a Bank. Now here's where it gets really neat: James Madison II inherits the business and leads them to a new era of economical greatness for their growing family, and by 1900, they are this TL's Rothschilds.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by Napoleon53

Woah, brainstorm idea: Madison moves to Tenasee, the neutral asylum state that offers maximum freedom and business opportunities, and there he sets up a Bank. Now here's where it gets really neat: James Madison II inherits the business and leads them to a new era of economical greatness for their growing family, and by 1900, they are this TL's Rothschilds.

LOVE IT!!! And while he runs the bank, he writes about the free market system and becomes his generation's Milton Friedman

[Napoleon53]

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

LOVE IT!!! And while he runs the bank, he writes about the free market system and becomes his generation's Milton Friedman

Yes, yes, yes! Maybe he could even become President of Tenasee.