America, the Failed Experiment: an ATL

[Septimus]

Originally Posted by Lycaon pictus

Anyway, I like this TL. The phrase "too small for a republic and too big for an insane asylum" fits Rhode Island ITTL even better than it did South Carolina.

Thanks! I have never heard that phrase before, and it gave me quite a laugh.

Originally Posted by Stolengood

Hey! Don't insult my home state!

I'm followin' this, albeit with a careful eye...

I was wondering when I was going to get my first Rhode Island reader!

[Stolengood]

Originally Posted by Septimus

I was wondering when I was going to get my first Rhode Island reader!

Am assuming you're not a Rhode Island writer; pray tell, where're ya from?

(The Southern-esque phrasing is for "colour". )

[Septimus]

Originally Posted by Stolengood

Am assuming you're not a Rhode Island writer; pray tell, where're ya from?

(The Southern-esque phrasing is for "colour". )

I live in Colorado. As a little hint for the future, it will become Nouveau Auvergne ITTL.

[Diez Mil Cantos]

So it becomes Français.
somehow im not suprised

[Stolengood]

Originally Posted by Septimus

I live in Colorado. As a little hint for the future, it will become Nouveau Auvergne ITTL.

Ahhh, very nice; "New Eggplant"?

So... President Collins of the Republic of Rhode Island, then. Very interesting.

[Septimus]

Originally Posted by Stolengood

Ahhh, very nice; "New Eggplant"?

So... President Collins of the Republic of Rhode Island, then. Very interesting.

He was "shamelessly self-promoted", as you will se in the next update.
Well, I was looking at French regions and the photo of Auvergne was strikingly similar to the view of the mountains from the plains. It also had similar activities and climate, so it just seemed like a perfect fit. Nobody bothered to tell me it meant eggplant!

[Stolengood]

Originally Posted by Septimus

Nobody bothered to tell me it meant eggplant!

It doesn't; it just sounds very similar to the French word for it, aubergine.

Hope to see more of the East Coast furor soon... should we expect something akin to the Gaspee affair?

[Septimus]

Oh good, renaming crisis averted! I intentionally made Warwick the site of the riot to make the city a bastion of freedom from greater powers. I don't know about another Gaspée incident in Rhode Island, but very possibly down south. Hopefully, the update will be finished by Tuesday at the latest, since it is quite long.

[Porthos]

Originally Posted by Septimus

I hope you don't mind me using that quote Porthos, I had been trying to find some certain clauses in the AoC and this one really hit the mark.

But of course. Glad to see that I helped contribute, even in a small way.

[Evilprodigy]

I like this, keep on writing.

[Septimus]

Sorry about the lack of writing recently. I have been trying to plan the direction I want this story to go in while dealing with all of the schoolwork. While planning, I made a couple of maps, and this is one I really like. I present to you, the Republic of Louisiana, America's reigning superpower


Please, if my French is incorrect tell me (Google Translate is a bit finicky).

[Danth]

Yeah I love this back

Also nice maps but needs more British and Mexican

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Originally Posted by Septimus

Sorry about the lack of writing recently. I have been trying to plan the direction I want this story to go in while dealing with all of the schoolwork. While planning, I made a couple of maps, and this is one I really like. I present to you, the Republic of Louisiana, America's reigning superpower

Please, if my French is incorrect tell me (Google Translate is a bit finicky).

Québec city is (Ville de) Q, the province is (Province du) Q. You put the descriptors in front, not behind. Note that the province, county, whatever, takes the definite article le, thus turning de to du.

Note, too, that québec is very unlikely to extend all the way to hudsons bay.

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

With a pod in 1786, quebec wont be french. The size of a french victory that would allow france to get quebec back would be so very huge that that would be the biggest change of the tl.

In the incredibly improbable circumstance where quebec goes back to france, ontario, ie upper canada wont stay british. The only way to resupply, support the area is through the st laurence, via montreal. If france owns montreal, then britain would have to beg permission to send soldiers in to defend it.

SO.... given that ontario is non british, then there is NO british canada. "Canada" is just the southern bits of otls ontario and quebec until confederation in 1867, which surely isnt going to happen here.

So nova scotia, for instance, isnt part of canada, nor is Rupertsland, ie the lands draining into Hudsons Bay.

[Darth_Kiryan]

Originally Posted by Septimus

Please, if my French is incorrect tell me (Google Translate is a bit finicky).

Everything east of the Mississippi is Louisiana?

WHOA!

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Originally Posted by Adûnakhôr

Everything east of the Mississippi is Louisiana?

WHOA!

No, west. Obviously the louisiana purchase never happened.

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Rupertsland is "Terre de Rupert" according to french wiki, which is fallible, and the Canadian Encyclopedia, which is as authoritative as you can get.

So. The lands north of louisiana are "la terre de rupert", or possibly "l'Amérique du Nord Britannique", ie bna in french.

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

With a pod in 1786, quebec wont be french. The size of a french victory that would allow france to get quebec back would be so very huge that that would be the biggest change of the tl.

In the incredibly improbable circumstance where quebec goes back to france, ontario, ie upper canada wont stay british. The only way to resupply, support the area is through the st laurence, via montreal. If france owns montreal, then britain would have to beg permission to send soldiers in to defend it.

SO.... given that ontario is non british, then there is NO british canada. "Canada" is just the southern bits of otls ontario and quebec until confederation in 1867, which surely isnt going to happen here.

So nova scotia, for instance, isnt part of canada, nor is Rupertsland, ie the lands draining into Hudsons Bay.

[Septimus]

Originally Posted by Dathi THorfinnsson

With a pod in 1786, quebec wont be french. The size of a french victory that would allow france to get quebec back would be so very huge that that would be the biggest change of the tl.

In the incredibly improbable circumstance where quebec goes back to france, ontario, ie upper canada wont stay british. The only way to resupply, support the area is through the st laurence, via montreal. If france owns montreal, then britain would have to beg permission to send soldiers in to defend it.

SO.... given that ontario is non british, then there is NO british canada. "Canada" is just the southern bits of otls ontario and quebec until confederation in 1867, which surely isnt going to happen here.

So nova scotia, for instance, isnt part of canada, nor is Rupertsland, ie the lands draining into Hudsons Bay.

Well, Quebec actually becomes a part of Louisiana sometime during the latter half of the 1800s. Britain controls a larger empire for longer ITTL, and relations with France are still quite shaky, which leads to francophones feeling much more unwanted in a British Canada. This leads to some conflicts over independence, and through secret support from some of the English-American republics, many of whom still have guarded relations with England. Québec has a independence spurt before voting on annexation into Louisiana, much like OTL Texas. Also, I didn't know that bit about how Canada came about, I think I will have to change quite a few of the names.

Originally Posted by Dathi THorfinnsson

Rupertsland is "Terre de Rupert" according to french wiki, which is fallible, and the Canadian Encyclopedia, which is as authoritative as you can get.

So. The lands north of louisiana are "la terre de rupert", or possibly "l'Amérique du Nord Britannique", ie bna in french.

Originally Posted by Dathi THorfinnsson

Québec city is (Ville de) Q, the province is (Province du) Q. You put the descriptors in front, not behind. Note that the province, county, whatever, takes the definite article le, thus turning de to du.

Note, too, that québec is very unlikely to extend all the way to hudsons bay.

Thanks for the help with the French; I have absolutely no knowledge of the language.

[Septimus]

Here are two maps from the future of this timeline. I have still been working on the TL, but school has really been scrounging out my time since finals are coming up.

This map is 1920. A great war between monarchists and republicans was concluded 15 years ago, and the impacts on North America were huge. The FSA was sold the greater Toronto region and Louisiana was sold huge swathes of Rupert's Land in order to pay back the republicans who won the war. The Caribbean was also divided up between American powers after Europe lost its grip. Mexico felt betrayed by Spain, which was now known as Iberia, to the point where they wanted to cut off any resemblance to it. Mexico fell under the rule of a Nahuatlist autocrat who make reforms to implement the Nahuatl language and reject Spanish. On top of all of this was concerns over a very expansionist and autocratic Georgia...

This map shows modern day. Almost the entire continent has been at peace for over 60 years. Most various secessionist movements have been resolved and Louisiana is increasingly asserting its world power as a nation of over 250 million people and a GDP of $10 trillion. The only hotbed of conflict is East Florida, where exiled communists, fascists, Cubans and the natives peoples are in a constant struggle for control and recognition.