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You are a really talented writer, Carlton
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I wonder whether this defeat could help the Germans. The British are definitely unhappy with a Russian presence in the North sea. Now that presence will persist with the Germans unable to do something about it at least until the Kiel channel is reopened. How will Britain react?
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That was a very costly delay, the info arriving in the moment was really taunting.
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The people who delayed the message are going to have some explaining to do. .... So, how long have you worked for the Russians?....
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And admiral essen is not being nice, but he probably realises that their survival in the long term lies with acting civilised. Being to brutal will only end with none of them taken prisoner.
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When the elephants fight only the grass gets hurt
I am really enjoying this timeline.
Regarding the smaller countries that may find themselves being pressured to take sides, I remember the old expression that "when the elephants fight, only the grass gets hurt". Hopefully at the end of the day, the smaller countries can walk the fine line where they don't get dragged into the fight against their will. However, if they decide that they want to jump in then that is their chose. I would just caution that with the new technologies, the human cost of war is greater than it was before. Please keep updating this excellent timeline. Stubear1012 Stubear1012 |
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Carlton, I've been so very much enjoying this TL and your excellent writing. Thank you, and keep up the great work.
I'm emerging from my usual lurkerdom because something just occurred to me - - Did I miss some key event in an early post that significantly changed things, or is the pre-POD Treaty of Dual Alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary still in place? If so, there's a whole new can of worms that needs opening. "Dual Alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary from October 7, 1879 Secret Treaty, Partial Publication in the Reichs- und Staatsanzeiger on February 3, 1888 [ . . . ] Article I. Should, contrary to their hope, and against the loyal desire of the two high contracting parties, one of the two empires be attacked by Russia, the high contracting parties are bound to come to the assistance one of the other with the whole war strength of their empires, and accordingly only to conclude peace together and upon mutual agreement. [ . . . ] " See http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/...cument_id=1856 |
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I am shocked at the sudden expertise the Russians found, given its lack in the Russo-Japanese War.
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the western troops from russia were the creme de la creme
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They aren't all that good. But their navy has just lost a lot of deadwood, and the enemy is badly wrongfooted. Kolchak, for all his flaws, was a very smart leader, and not the only one (Kolchak is really running the show at Heligoland, Ludendorff to Essen's Hindenburg). The army is just doing its job, nothing out of the ordinary there. It's not like they've met any real opposition yet.
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Minor nit. These are coal fired ships, not oil fired. The water around freidrich would be soot stained, not oil.
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Also, What class of ships are thse battleships supposed to represent?
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Coal and coke float but the latter is much better at it as it contains far less water. As a child I used to remember walking through the sea grass collecting coke dumped from ships for use in our BBQ. Oh the bloody stuff can last a long time before breaking down. The last coal fired ship must have stopped being used forty years before my childhood coke collecting expeditions. Even now another thirty years on if you dig deep enough you can still find buried coke. To answer your question it would probably resemble black and grey floatsom depending on the type of coal used. More please. I want to see the Empire Strike Back. ![]() ![]() Sorry I just couldn't help myself I just had to use that phrase in the correct context. ![]() ![]()
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Is holding breathe waiting for the Reactions of UK, Ottomans and AH now.
France looks like it will be a knife edge decision. If/when UK sides with Germany I think would be the deciding factor. What happens first the French finding that Britain would support Germany or the French making up there mind what to do. I can see in the back of there minds " Oh Britain is going to declare war on Russia..... Czar we are friends but not that close sorry this round we are too busy " |
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Wahhahahahahhhh
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