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Old August 20th, 2012, 09:10 PM
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Go ahead, do it if you want. I don't, because I want to post at my leisure, but if you want to, go ahead.
Maybe once I finish. And that won't be for a while.
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Old August 20th, 2012, 10:43 PM
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Yeah, that's what they're there for.

Say, do you think it's a good idea to post my actual "timeline" in a thread in Test Messages?
I don't see why not; actually I'd encourage you to open a thread up in Pre-1900 as a proper timeline.

Likewise for all of these.
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Old August 20th, 2012, 11:30 PM
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William Henry Harrison

Famous general who fought the Indian Rebellion of 1813 (1813-7) and eventually achieved victory for the Americans. Eventually ended up as a prominent Whig politician and the bitter enemy of Henry Clay, which with, he disagreed on the position of the Whig Party. Clay sabotaged Harrison's campaign in 1836 by supporting Webster, out of spite, and in 1840, refused to give Harrison his support, ensuring Birney would win the election. When Henry Clay ran in 1844, William Henry Harrison chose to support nobody, and refused to support Clay. Despite this, Clay won. Harrison refused to attend the inauguration, and broke off his supporters from the Whig Party, to create the New Federalist Party. They never ran an campaign, and upon W. H. Harrison's death from old age in 1854, they joined the Republican Party.


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Swallowing Pride: An United Whig Front in 1840
This postulates that Clay could have swallowed his pride and supported W. H. Harrison in 1840. It results in a slim Whig victory and W. H. Harrison becomes president. Tyler is assassinated by a radical Libertarian, damaging that party's view in the USA, and ensuring Harrison wins re-election.

For Want of an Overcoat
This, somewhat ASB, TL has a PoD that Birney makes the mistakes he would make four years later, in 1840, ensuring Harrison wins the Presidency. It is often criticized for its ASB event that Harrison would be stupid enough to give a speech in the rain that lasts a long time, without an overcoat, ensuring he gets influenza or something else (The author never specifies) and dies ninety days later, ensuring President Tyler.

Second Time the Charm: What if Harrison had not "Stood Aside" in 1844?
Harrison refused to run again in 1844, in OTL, thanks to the advice of a young man named Lincoln, advising him to "stand aside" for Clay, to ensure unity. This TL postulate the effects of what would have happened has had Harrison not stood aside to let Clay win a second time, and actively ran a campaign against Clay. He loses to Clay, but thanks to the division in the Whig Party, Birney cruises to re-election.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 11:46 PM
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Gotta love AH within AH (or SH within AH as the case may be.)
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:15 AM
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Gotta love AH within AH (or SH within AH as the case may be.)
Yeah. I might do a few more of those, with future ATL Biographies.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 05:23 AM
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List of Australasian Prime Ministers

1900: Richard Seddon (Liberal)
1905: Chris Watson (Labour)
1906: Richard Seddon (Liberal)
1910: Andrew Fisher (Labour)
1913: Andrew Fisher (Labor)
1915: Frank Tudor (Labor)
1916: Frank Tudor (Labor)
1918: Joseph Ward (Liberal)
1920: Joseph Ward (Liberal)
1925: Matthew Charlton (Labor)
1927: Gordon Coates (Reform)
1928: Gordon Coates (Reform)

1931: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1935: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1939: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1945: Sidney Holland (Reform)
1948: Ben Chifley (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1953: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1956: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1958: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1962: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1964: Keith Holyoake (Reform)
1965: Keith Holyoake (Reform)

1966: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1969: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1972: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1975: Malcolm Fraser (Reform)
1979: Bruce Beetham (Social Credit)
1982: Bruce Beetham (Social Credit)
1985: Neil Morrison (Social Credit)
1987: Neil Morrison (Social Credit)
1989: Bob Hawke (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1992: Paul Keating (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1995: John Howard (Reform)
2000: John Howard (Reform)
2003: John Howard (Reform)
2005: Helen Clark (Labor-Liberal coalition)
2010: Helen Clark (Labor-Liberal coalition)
2012: Tony Abbott (Reform)
2016: Tony Abbott (Reform)
2018: Lucas Merhoff (Reform)
2023: Lucas Merhoff (Reform)


Alright. Hey, Abhakhazia, I kept my promise, you're the current PM of Australasia. The Social Credit Party has re-surged, so that's a problem you and your party will have to face. The Lab-Libs are also getting more popular.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 05:39 AM
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Does Abbot respond by calling for a federal election?
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Old August 21st, 2012, 07:38 AM
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List of Australasian Prime Ministers

1900: Richard Seddon (Liberal)
1905: Chris Watson (Labour)
1906: Richard Seddon (Liberal)
1910: Andrew Fisher (Labour)
1913: Andrew Fisher (Labor)
1915: Frank Tudor (Labor)
1916: Frank Tudor (Labor)
1918: Joseph Ward (Liberal)
1920: Joseph Ward (Liberal)
1925: Matthew Charlton (Labor)
1927: Gordon Coates (Reform)
1928: Gordon Coates (Reform)

1931: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1935: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1939: James Scullin (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1945: Sidney Holland (Reform)
1948: Ben Chifley (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1953: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1956: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1958: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1962: Robert Menzies (Reform)
1964: Keith Holyoake (Reform)
1965: Keith Holyoake (Reform)

1966: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1969: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1972: Norman Kirk (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1975: Malcolm Fraser (Reform)
1979: Bruce Beetham (Social Credit)
1982: Bruce Beetham (Social Credit)
1985: Neil Morrison (Social Credit)
1987: Neil Morrison (Social Credit)
1989: Bob Hawke (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1992: Paul Keating (Labor-Liberal coalition)
1995: John Howard (Reform)
2000: John Howard (Reform)
2003: John Howard (Reform)
2005: Helen Clark (Labor-Liberal coalition)
2010: Helen Clark (Labor-Liberal coalition)
2012: Tony Abbott (Reform)
2016: Tony Abbott (Reform)
2018: Lucas Merhoff (Reform)
2023: Lucas Merhoff (Reform)


Alright. Hey, Abhakhazia, I kept my promise, you're the current PM of Australasia. The Social Credit Party has re-surged, so that's a problem you and your party will have to face. The Lab-Libs are also getting more popular.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 11:08 AM
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Isn't Lucas Merhoff Nerdlinger?
No, I'm Lucas Merhoff, Nerdlinger was making a joke.
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No, I'm Lucas Merhoff, Nerdlinger was making a joke.
So... What are you going to do with the resurgence of the Social Credits?
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Alright.... I seem to be useless at typing large blocks of text, so accept this meager offering...

The Tournament of Ideologies.
Part Six: Ex Unum, Pluribus.


The struggle between the forces of democracy, and the forces of crystalism, lasted since Debs' choosing of Barnard as his Secretary of Foreign Affairs in 1921, ended in 1994, because of Russia's abrupt end as a nation and the rise of many, in its place. This was because the Crystalists utterly succeeded in their aim, to tie the Russian identity with the Crystalist ideology, ensuring that when Russia fell, it wouldn't survive as a nation. This collapse started when Prime Minister Vladimir Putin announced his reforms, which would introduce democracy to Russia. He negotiated a detente with President Clinton that would have proceeded to disarm the increasing amount of nuclear warheads both sides built up since the 1950s. He then proceeded to introduce the first democratic reform, local elections. This proved too much for the "Old Guard", so they took over in a military coup d'etat, executing Putin and his "democratic cronies". It was too much, too late, and the first declaration of independence, that of the Far Eastern Republic, was announced on 7th September 1994. Within two months, all the divisions of Russia declared their independence, and Russia ceased to be a nation when the military old guard was taken out and executed by Muscovite forces.

This is notorious for this famous exchange. "This is insane! We are Russians!" declared General Gorbachev. "Insane? This is Muscovy." replied the executing officer. The collapse of Russia was taken as a shock by the United States President William Clinton. He later said "Well, that's re-election guaranteed..." But he would never have predicted the Green Revolution, or the revealing of the ecological scarring of Russia... Many historians agree, Russia, culturally, had been dead for twenty years before the Collapse, due to anti-Crystalist feelings creating regional identities, such as Muscovite, Far Eastern, Novgorodian, Karelian, Siberian, and encouraged existing cultural identities, like Belarusian, Ukrainian, Estonian, Kazakh, Mongol. It was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode and collapse Russia. One thing we can be thankful for, is that it was mostly peaceful, as Crystalism wasn't that popular with most Russians, and even the army mostly defected to their regional countries.



Timelines associated with the collapse of Russia on Speculativehistory.co.eu.

Keep the Russian Flag flying high: A Russian Speculative-History.
This, unlike most SH timelines which deal with a PoD close to the collapse, this goes twenty years before, and postulates that, with a more moderate leader, the Russian identity, and ultimately, the Russian nation, could have survived the inevitable collapse, which takes place in this SH two years earlier then in OTL. The author argues that the existing ethnic nations would have gone their own ways, but the main Russian nation would have survived, as a democratic nation. Many like it for its realism. As a consequence of the survival, the Green Party never rises in the USA, and the Reform Party comes second in 1996.

Putinless World: A More Brutal Collapse.
This SH postulates that what if the attempted assassination of Vladimir Putin in 1991, succeeded? His successor would be one of the Old Guard, and would have tried to suppress the "rebellions", ensuring that the collapse of Russia would have been longer and more brutal, with many people dying and culminating in the execution of all of the Russian cabinet members and eventually Moscow would be covered in blood. The nations still go their ways, but damaged by the Civil War (as it is called in this TL) they choose to unite into loose federations.


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Old August 21st, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Old August 21st, 2012, 05:00 PM
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What do you think of the collapse of Russia and the end of the Russian state?
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Old August 21st, 2012, 07:29 PM
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So... What are you going to do with the resurgence of the Social Credits?
Don't know. Insitute more populist reforms probably.

I wonder what my relationship with Mesplay, or whatever your Green president's name was, will be. I can imagine giving a highly critical speech on how he wasn't sworn in on a bible.


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Good show, everyone. Keep it comin'.

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I wonder what my relationship with Mesplay, or whatever your Green president's name was, will be. I can imagine giving a highly critical speech on how he wasn't sworn in on a bible.
If I were elected president, I'd request to be sworn in on a copy of "On the Origin of Species."

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"Worlds of If" is from TL-191, right?
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Good show, everyone. Keep it comin'.



If I were elected president, I'd request to be sworn in on a copy of "On the Origin of Species."
Think about what kind of speech I'd give after that!

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It is, actually.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 08:07 PM
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Think about what kind of speech I'd give after that!
You're from Australasia. What would you care?
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You're from Australasia. What would you care?
Condemning you would give me points with the Christian voters.
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Condemning you would give me points with the Christian voters.
Sorry, in this America, there'd be a lot less intolerance from the religious folks and a greater separation between church and state. You'd only unite my constituency better against closed-mindedness.
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Alright... I'm going to show you how much types of elections someone in the USA, but not in the Heartland, can expect to vote in.

Terran presidential elections (once every 7 years)
Terran legislature elections (once every 7 years, never same year as presidential)
United States presidential elections (once every 4 years)
United States Congress elections (Sen. and HoR. Once every 2 years)
Devolved premieral elections (West, NE and Dixie. Once every 5 years)
Devolved parliamentary elections. (Once every 5 years. Never same year as premieral)
Gubernatorial elections (every 4 years)
Local elections


So... Let say you're a socialist in America, in New England, in Boston. You would vote in the 2010s....

Julia Gillard (Socialist Internationale) for Terran President
Hu Jintao (Socialist Internationale) for Terran Chancellor
Kent Mesplay (Green) for U. S. President
Green Party for U. S. House of Representatives and Senate.
Elizabeth Kenway (NEL) for Premier of New England.
New Englander Labor (NEL) for the New Englander Parliament
Paul Wilkinson (NEL) for Governor of Massachusetts
Jack Younger (NEL) for Mayor of Boston

You vote for the Mayor, to ensure your city is under good leadership.
You vote for the Governor, to ensure your state is under good leadership.
You vote for your choice for the Parliament, to ensure your ideology is represented in Parliament.
You vote for the Premier, to ensure your nation is under good leadership and makes sure it is listened to, in the USA.
You vote for your choice in Congress, to ensure your ideology is represented.
You vote for the President, to ensure your country is under good leadership.
You vote for the Terran Chancellor and President, to ensure your world is under good leadership.
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