Map Thread IX

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Kriegdämmerung

Political orientation? Blue=right, red=left, gold=center, green=Islamic, dark blue/black=?

More like Blue=conservative, red=Socialism in all its types, gold=Liberal, Green=Islamic, Dark Blue=Nationalist, Black=Absolute rule.

[d32123]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

More like Blue=conservative, red=Socialism in all its types, gold=Liberal, Green=Islamic, Dark Blue=Nationalist, Black=Absolute rule.

If that's really what you were going for then I'm going to have to point out a few flaws.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by d32123

If that's really what you were going for then I'm going to have to point out a few flaws.

Go ahead, I didn't expect my project to be right first time around.

[d32123]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Go ahead, I didn't expect my project to be right first time around.

Okay first of all what makes a country "socialist", "conservative", or "liberal"?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by d32123

Okay first of all what makes a country "socialist", "conservative", or "liberal"?

The ideology of the party in power. In the USA, I chose the Dems, because they control two of the three parts of government.

[d32123]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

The ideology of the party in power. In the USA, I chose the Dems, because they control two of the three parts of government.

Is my screen wonky or did you color Vietnam Islamic?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by d32123

Is my screen wonky or did you color Vietnam Islamic?

Your screen is wonky. I forgot to color it red.

[Ulster]

I wonder, what does the pink in Northern Ireland denote?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Ulster

I wonder, what does the pink in Northern Ireland denote?

Nothing. I was planning to look up the ideology of Northern Ireland's dominant party, but was too exhausted after what I already done.

[Ulster]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Nothing. I was planning to look up the ideology of Northern Ireland's dominant party, but was too exhausted after what I already done.

An understandable place to give up considering how strange how political system is

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Ulster

An understandable place to give up considering how strange how political system is

Since I took a break now, I decided to look it up. Its conservative.

[Farkas]

My latest project. Like my last one, probably not quite up to your standards. I'll explain it in a minute. I might develop this one farther if you guys like it enough.

[d32123]

Looks like a Celto-Mongolian wank. What happened to Greenland?

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Since I took a break now, I decided to look it up. Its conservative.

No it's not.

The government of Northern Ireland is currently a coalition between unionist and nationalist parties that do not really have anything to do with a simple left-right spectrum.

The DUP could be described as conservative, Sinn Féin is left wing, the Ulster Unionists are classic Liberals, the SDLP is left wing and the Alliance completely centrist.

Neither Ireland or Northern Ireland really follow the typical left-right division between parties. It's a meaningless distinction to make.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Since I took a break now, I decided to look it up. Its conservative.

Wouldn't Northern Ireland just be whatever the UK is?

[d32123]

Originally Posted by Alex Richards

Neither Ireland or Northern Ireland really follow the typical left-right division between parties. It's a meaningless distinction to make.

I think this applies to more situations than just Northern Ireland. Political systems in different countries are so different from one another that to label a map with conservative, liberal, socialist, etc. is a relatively useless exercise.

[Kriegdämmerung]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

More like Blue=conservative, red=Socialism in all its types, gold=Liberal, Green=Islamic, Dark Blue=Nationalist, Black=Absolute rule.

Uzbekistan should be blue then, as should Afghanistan.

And how does South Africa end up "nationalist" instead of "socialist"?

[Farkas]

Probably the most interesting topic of this is China. Yes, I meant to color it that way. The PRC had grown resentful of Taiwan, rightly its 23rd province, for having so much international recognition of independence. China attacked Taiwan as soon as it had an excuse, meaning to forcibly reassert its authority. The RoC, on Taiwan, called upon the UN, an already rebellious Tibet and Mongolia for assistance. Russia was unable to assist, as it had its own problems, but after a long and extremely complicated war, we find the roles ironically reversed, with the RoC in mainland China and the PRC exiled to Taiwan. The RoC is tired and, for the moment, uninterested in reclaiming Taiwan. It grants Tibet independence and rewards Mongolia land for assistance during the war. And a unique semi-state is created in Liaoyang province; While chiefly controlled by the RoC, ethnic Mongolians in the area are granted Mongolian citizenship and Mongolia is allowed access to a port.

Originally Posted by d32123

Looks like a Celto-Mongolian wank. What happened to Greenland?

Sounds about right. The war in China strained the UK, and it fell apart in due to an affect similar to Balkanization; Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland blamed England. They allied in a Celtic Union, based in Dublin. Cornwall and Brittany are both attempting to break away from their countries and join too. England, now alone, considers looking back to its roots and joining the new Nordic Union.

Russia starts to lose the Chechnya conflict, as the rebels are suddenly fighting back with renewed vigor and better weapons; Russia is unaware that the Chechen rebels are now discreetly receiving funds and weapons from countries Russia has previously offended, including the Baltic states and Poland, and Georgia. Russia suffers from a major scandal that costs it billions of dollars; desperate for money, Russia sells Tuva and Buryatia to a Mongolia newly strengthened from rewards from the Chinese War. Georgia reclaims the rebellious Abkhazia and South Ossetia and now de facto controls these territories again. Renewed conflicts in Chechnya spread to other parts of the Caucasus, out of control.

Some Scandinavian states express interest in forming, of sorts, a New Kalmar Union. I'll just call it the Nordic Union. It was originally a union of Denmark, Norway, and Iceland. Greenland, few inhabitants as it has, was divided on the issue. Western Greenland was allowed to leave Denmark and joined the geographically closer Canada as a new territory; time has passed, and the Yukon Territories, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut are now officially Yukon, Denendeh, and Nunavut provinces respectively. Several Inuit migrate to the new Greenland Province.

After the Cartel seized control of Mexico City, the provinces making up the Yucatan Peninsula seceded and began a process. Cuba, no longer Communist, and the Dominican Republic had expressed alarm at America's expansion into the Caribbean, annexing both Haiti and Puerto Rico. Gradually, these three countries began the process of uniting the Caribbean. Before long, the new Caribbean Federation, united peacefully, controlled all of the Caribbean except the American states there. A few years later, a coup based in the capital, Havana, overthrew the democratic government into a military-based dictatorship. The new dictator of the Caribbean Federation spread fear of United States influence, and launched simultaneous attacks on San Juan, Port-au-Prince, and Miami, as well as Panama and Venezuela, whom were considered to be too close to the States. The San Juan and Miami attacks were thwarted, but the United States, backed by most of the UN, and the other invaded countries, prepares to reclaim Port-au-Prince and the Panama Canal, as Venezuela attempts to reclaim its coast with Brazilian and Guyanese support. A long-term goal of the war is to overthrow this unnamed Caribbean Dictator.


I have to go for a little while, I'll check back in a little bit.

[oshron]

here's an updated version of my United Earth map, with a bunch of new provinces and the inclusion of an island that i left out of the original version. remember, this is for a work of fiction which, ultimately, is more sci-fi/fantasy than it is AH (also, LOTS of butterfly nets; the story is more important than the TL itself). the island, Meropis, is a natural one that was settled by non-human sentients (who have since died out or hidden themselves, sometimes in plain sight) from the last (OTL) ice age, and was later settled by Europeans from the 11th to 12th centuries

also, i'm not too sure about the "uncolored" province in the area of Nigeria. any opinions?

[Yalew]

Originally Posted by Alex Richards

No it's not.

The government of Northern Ireland is currently a coalition between unionist and nationalist parties that do not really have anything to do with a simple left-right spectrum.

The DUP could be described as conservative, Sinn Féin is left wing, the Ulster Unionists are classic Liberals, the SDLP is left wing and the Alliance completely centrist.

Neither Ireland or Northern Ireland really follow the typical left-right division between parties. It's a meaningless distinction to make.

UUP classic liberals?!?! They are the Tories twins in NI. Alliance teams with LibDem and SDLP with Lab (to some extent).