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Old August 11th, 2012, 01:04 PM
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Swastika Days

(posting here because I am assuming a pre-1900 POD).

New York, April, 1973.

Five leaders of the Alliance were sitting uneasily in the room. Newly-elected President Louise Kennedy of the United States of America, the Soviet Prime Minister Nikolaj Andropov, the Secretary of Chinese Popular Front of Socialists Lin Biao, the Foreign Minister of the Empire of Japan, Nobosuke Tagomi, and the Minister of War of the New Inkan Socialist Empire, Ernesto Kutik Gevara.
Three Socialist powers, all bitterly opposed to each other by deep ideological rifts, had been forced to ally with the even more despised strongholds of Capitalism and Feudal-Fascist reaction.
The menace incumbent on them all and on human civilization at large was just too horrible now to let petty squabbles about the destiny of humany, was thinking Gevara. If they win this time, he knew, there was no human future to quarrel over anymore.

"We need more military coordination, Comrade Lin Biao." China was the only great power that wasn't outright hostile about the Inkan Socialism. Even facing an existential threat of terrible proportions, all the others were still overcome by suspicion and hatred.

"Comrade Gevara, you can't blame the brave Chinese Red Army if the Andean forces cannot coordinate properly. Or do you mean that you expedionary force in Indochina is to be put under Chinese command? This is surely a doable way to improve coordination."

"Comrade, I reiterate my proposal of a joint integrated command in Indochina. I hope this idea might be considered more seriously in the near future."

Lin Biao stayed silent for a while. Relief came from a unexpected side Kennedy spoke.
"Gentlemen, and comrades, I absolutely endorse the concern, expressed many times by Minister Gevara, for a better coordination of our forces. We have a lot of differences, and I am the first here to loathe everything the Inkan Empire stands for. But we are allies. Indochina is an especially vital front for our struggle. I strongly recommend that not only the Andean and Chinese forces there, but also the Japanese ones, are put under a joint command. I understand how difficult this is idea is for your officers to accept, Minister Tagomi, but we are in an emergency."

"She finally realized" though Gevara. "I like this woman."

"I am forced to concur" added Andropov. "As an act of distension, I am offering to discuss the creation of a joint command in Persia as well".
Astute. Basically only Soviet or satellite forces acted there. There was the Party of God of Ayatollah Montazeri as well, but it was not a power in the Alliance. So he was saying that some officers, or maybe a Chinese regiment, might be employed in that exclusively Soviet playground?
Detente. Detente is good. Unless the Imperialist were doing it to go, united, after the Inkas later on. You have to think of it. Are we being too generous?

"This raises another point." Said Tagomi. "The Asian powers are taking the burden of the fight, but we are still denied the European occupation zones. What are you Americans exactly up to there?"

Kennedy smiled.
"We are freeing your troops for combat these ways. Your homes are currently under a much closer threat than ours. Yet, you cannot say we aren't fighting, can you?"

The meeting went on for hours. It was tense, and difficult. Victory would come eventually. Winning the subsequent peace would be more difficult.

This, way, the Alliance was entering its fourth year of the pitiless war against the Pure Realm of Aryan Suryajaya, better known to the outside world as Nazi India.

Edit: not sure it should be moved to the ASB forum.
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Old August 11th, 2012, 06:20 PM
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It sounds cool but it should be in after 1900 at the very least.
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Old August 11th, 2012, 09:09 PM
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If there's an Inca state of any kind, let alone one powerful enough to be sought as an ally, that's pre-1900.
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Old August 11th, 2012, 09:22 PM
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Yes, definitly pre-1900, still, you peakd my interest, consider me subscribed
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Old August 11th, 2012, 09:36 PM
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Go on with this please, you must have put planning into this
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Old August 12th, 2012, 12:09 AM
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Somewhere near what used to be Phnom Penh, former Kingdom of Kambodia, currently Khambuja Pradesh, Greater India, May 1973.

Escape. The Aryans cannot be everywhere.
There must be some safe haven. Somewhere. Some Khmer resistance.
Allies might be there, around, someone said.
Near might mean a hundred kilometers. Three hundred. Heaven knows, if there is still any heaven left. Aryans might have conquered it as well, and put all the gods in a concentration camp. It would be their style.
Force the Buddhas to swear fealty to the Swastika, or die.
Can a Buddha die? If someone can kill them, it is the Aryans.
Aryans have no fear, no pity, no mercy, no sense.

The swamps run endlessly around. Some dogs were barking in the dark, and he knew what the barks meant. Aryans. They were looking for game.
Only six animals could be sacrificed to the Aryan Gods. But there was only one, the most prized one, the were willing to sacrifice.

Hun Sy did not know much about the Aryan deities. The one thing he knew, was that they were always thirsty, and that human blood placated their thirst.
Hun Sy knew he did not want his blood to be fed to the gruesome Gods of the Aryans. So he had to run. And swim. A seek for a safe place somewhere, among the bushes and the swamps and the tree.

This place was darker, and quieter.

Trees higher, and larger. He leaned a moment to a tree, stopping to breath. A dog barked again.
Something moved.
A hiss.

"What are you doing here?" he spoke Khmer. An old man's voice.
Hun Sy's heart almost failed for relief. Aryans never spoke Khmer.
"Escape. The Aryans are out for game tonight"
"We heard the dogs barking. My name is Saleth Sar. We are going to prepare some surprise for the Lords of the World this time. Want to see?".
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Not very much planning actually, an idea I had today.
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From "Why are we fighting?". Motivational leaflet given to the Soviet Red Army soldiers on the Tajik front in 1972, printed in Semipalatinsk.

" The main Nazi menace was thought for long to be the one from Germany. The brave Soviet soldiers defended the Rodina in a six-years-long bloody struggle that bleed our country horribly. In the end, Red flags were raised across Europe. Even Capitalist Americans realized the pure evil represented by Nazis after the British collapse. They came to help the Motherland, even if only for egoistic, Imperialist motives, and set out their occupation zone in Western Europe after the final destruction of this nauseating enemy. The civilized world, having fought a bloody war with an horrible enemy, did not want to tackle immediately with the horror brewing in South Asia.
The Imperialist Americans actually preferred to quarrel with other Imperialist powers such as Japan and focus their resources on propping up Aryan regimes in Argentina, Persia and Southern Africa in the delusion that the Aryans would comply with their capitalist aims and help their decadent capitalism to keep the new free forces of the proletariat in check.
Delusional as it was, it did only manage to evoke allies for the Aryan enemy in India. Capitalist and Imperialist short-sightedness bred an implacable coalition of enemies for both them and the socialist powers.
Soon, the greed of the Indian Aryan claque proved to be larger than everything the German Nazis and their Italian and French puppets ever dreamt.
Many thought that the horrors of Auschwitz would never be reached again. Then, evidence was discovered of the Temples of the Sun in Java.
The first escapees reaching the shores of Australia were not believed at all. Then, the conflict between India and Portugal, that were close allies before 1963, began to escalate.
The Aryans began to restrict an increasingly large part of the so-called Greater India to foreigners and the tales of the refugees were growing in coherence, number, and overall reliability. Most people just could not believe that India was acting that way. But by 1967, it was apparent that the Aryans of Suryajaya were really aiming at the destruction of the vast majority of the non-Aryans in the lands under theirs control, as well as expanding those areas. In the overall territory of Suryajaya, non-Aryans represented something close to the three fifths of the whole population.
Reports of wild massacres and human sacrifices in Annam prompted, ironically, the Japanese Empire to act in 1968. At the same time, Soviet forces started to operate in Afghanistan to protect the local population, that, while deemed "Aryan" by the criminal claque ruling India, had the inescapable guilt of being Muslim, and thusly "Semitized". The Increasingly menaced Afghan stated requested then Soviet support.
At this point, the Aryan alliance was acting with increasing bullying behaviour. Portugal had been defeated and deprived of all her colonies with the complicity of South Africa and New France, and African battlefields started to turn red.
The Aryans felt unbeatable, secure. Then, they invaded the Philippines. "
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If there's an Inca state of any kind, let alone one powerful enough to be sought as an ally, that's pre-1900.
Since we have several OTLs political leaders like Yuri Andropov and Ernesto "Che" Guevara around, the most likely POD is somewhen during WW2. The New Inkan Socialist Empire might be explained as a shameless borrowing from history after left wing guerillias took power in several andean countries and formed a common socialist state, mixing classical socialism with their own version of Mobutu-style Authenticité-concepts like the name of the newly united country or the addition of native andean middle names to personal ones.
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Not yet, sorry. I just started thinking of it all yesterday.
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Since we have several OTLs political leaders like Yuri Andropov and Ernesto "Che" Guevara around, the most likely POD is somewhen during WW2. The New Inkan Socialist Empire might be explained as a shameless borrowing from history after left wing guerillias took power in several andean countries and formed a common socialist state, mixing classical socialism with their own version of Mobutu-style Authenticité-concepts like the name of the newly united country or the addition of native andean middle names to personal ones.
The explanation of the Inkan Empire is basically correct.
The POD is actually earlier (pre-1900), but things outside India start diverging massively only in the thirties.
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Since we have several OTLs political leaders like Yuri Andropov and Ernesto "Che" Guevara around, the most likely POD is somewhen during WW2. The New Inkan Socialist Empire might be explained as a shameless borrowing from history after left wing guerillias took power in several andean countries and formed a common socialist state, mixing classical socialism with their own version of Mobutu-style Authenticité-concepts like the name of the newly united country or the addition of native andean middle names to personal ones.
By the way, neither Andropov, Saleth Sar, Montazeri, Guevara or Lin Biao are necessarily the same persons as OTL. Actually, Andropov has a different first name.
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From "The Rise of the Swastika. From India to Suryajaya." by Sofia Spivak, Harvard University Press, 1982. Introduction:

" As an Indian refugee of Eurasian descent, I started delving into the ascent of the Pure Bharat Party for personal reasons.
I wanted to understand what sort of collective folly was able to bring such suffering and devastation over my country and my family.
Hatred toward the Arya was an important motive for me at the time. It is never good for a historian to be motivated by hatred, but I could not help with it at the beginning.
Then, I had the possibility to access the original archives in India.
I am probably the first Western scholar in this field that could that after the Third World War, and I have to admit that what I saw in Occupied Calcutta changed my attitudes enough. There, I actually became a historian.
This is not to say that I endorse, advocate or justify the Aryan crimes in the slightest. Putting things into context and explaining their origins is not tantamout to support. This book is an attempt to understand why India took her hellish path, how and why she became the last and more deadly "Nazi" power in the world, and why so many people have been willing to go the length they did in their quest for "Aryan" purity.

This can be called the story how a small group of well-meaning and well-to people, out of understable love for their people and religion, came to set the stage for deadliest tyranny humanity has ever seen, dragging tens of millions of people to voluntarily seek death for themeselves and the others in horrible ways.
It took time, of course.

A point that is frequently overlooked is that extreme violence was not ingrained into Pure Bharat ideology from the very start. In part it was due the influence of Candra Bose, but mostly, the Pure Bharat started to support increasingly violent and aggressive tacticts and to theorize permanent total war as a reaction to the increasingly brutal British repression. The two strategies entered a sort of negative feedback and, hadn't Britain bigger troubles elsewhere, it is hard to say which group would have turned genocidal first.
Of course, we will never access to the British archives in London to assess this aspect, and even many documents of the Viceroys, preserved in India, have been destroyed.
Considering this, I will not accept the picture that Aryan sources give: helpless Aryans, butchered by the British by the thousands, started to arm to strike back. There is some reason to think that violent methods were always considered a resort by the Pure Bharat... the point being to what extent, especially before Amritsar.
However, one could say that only after Bose's book "Total War" appeared in 1934, the Aryan ideology really started to assume the dreadful aspect we know all too well... "
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NUKES!

From Spivak, chapter two:

"The Rape of England was thought to be the worst crime committed by the German Nazis, until the deathcamps in Poland were uncovered by the Soviet Red Army.
A minor consequence of that onslaght, that is very relevant for this study, is that almost all official documentary evidence about British policy vis-a-vis the Pure Bharat has been destroyed in the nuking of London.
The German Nazis deserve the blame to have been the first ones to use nuclear bombs on a civilian population. While both the Soviet Union and the United States later used nukes on German concentration of troops, after the end of that war, all the powers agreed to refrain to store and use those weapons anymore.
This, of course, did not include the "Aryan" powers... Suryajaya deserves the greater blame to have been the first and only power ever that has nuked its own people... "
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