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Old August 5th, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Old August 5th, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Age of al-Andalus: A desperate plea

It was 721 (By Christian calenders), and the Ishbylia-Asturias war had truely began to heat up. The Battle of Legio was a roaring success for the Ishbylians, and a disaster for the Asturians. But all hope was not lost for the soldiers of Christ, as of now, Count Alfonso and his men march to the Lands of Aquitaine to plea to the Great Duke Odo.

The land poured with rain, fitting for such an occasion. The Duke had been heralded as the saviour of Iberia's Christians, but that is only if they convince to join their cause. The Count and his men rode on their horses, not far from the fortress where Odo was dwelling. However, soon they arrived, though to them it had felt much longer, they had began to feel the pressure. They looked to the ominous fortress that towered above them, this where the fate of their kingdom would be decided.

They were let in by the forts guards, and were through to see the Duke himself. He was a very tall man, who wore fine regal clothes, Odo had made himself a de facto king, this is what made him so powerful. He answered to no-one, yet his throne was not worth taking.

''So these are my guests? I understand you men have been sent here Pelgaius''

''Yes, my lord. I am Alfonso of Asturias, nephew of Pelagius. Me and my warriors are here to request your help''.

''What help do you require?''.

''Well, the Moors....''.

Odo interupted the Count, believing he had heard enough. ''The Moors!? Speak no more. Those dark skinned heathens have been a nuisance for many years, what do you need?''.

''They had defeated Asturias in battle, at Legio. Our men, they are outnumbered, and the Moors, they can strike at any time. We need your assistance in the war against the infidels''.

Odo pondered, and began to stare into the distance. Alfonso looked worried, as if Odo had changed his mind.

''Fine, I will help you in your cause. It will probably get the Pope off my back as well''.

Alfonso looked with great joy, along with his men as well. Odo kept his straight face, but looked forward to engaging the infidel in battle. Though little did they know, Abd al-Aziz and his Rasuls have already began preparing for the next battle.

So now, things have become up in the air. Will Odo and his army be enough to stop the warriors of Al-Andalus? Only time will tell.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 07:22 PM
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Hopefully Odo's intervention would be of use to the Asturians in their war against Ishbylia. Good update.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 07:28 PM
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Hopefully Odo's intervention would be of use to the Asturians in their war against Ishbylia. Good update.
Thanks, the battle will finally take place next update.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 07:50 PM
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Hmm, an alternate battle instead of Toulouse. Looking forward to it. BTW, did you find an concrete non-wiki information on Odo's children? It's a confusing tangle but would be a big help if you could point out any sources.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 09:13 PM
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Hmm, an alternate battle instead of Toulouse. Looking forward to it. BTW, did you find an concrete non-wiki information on Odo's children? It's a confusing tangle but would be a big help if you could point out any sources.
I wasn't planning on the battle being at Toulouse, but it is meant to be somewhat an analogue to it. As for Odo's children, I've got nothing, sorry.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 01:45 PM
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Age of al-Andalus: Chapter Four Hassan al-Katib (1433)

The Battle of Pampeluna

It had been a few months since The Battle of Legio, and both sides of the war have had time to recooperate. The Nusayrids of Ishbylia were the victorious party, celebrating in the name of Dar es salam. However on the otherside of the border, The Kingdom of Asturias led by king Pelagius , had decided to take measures that they would not have another disaster on the battlefield.

The Asturians had pleaded with Duke Odo the great of Aquitaine for his help in the war against the heathens. Fate had smiled upon the men of Pelagius, and the great Duke agreed to help their cause. They had believed they now have a chance in this war, but would it be enough?

Meanwhile the Ishbylians had caught wind of Asturians conspiring with their neighbours to the north, and had calculated a plan to stop them in their tracks. Qumi Cassius of Tutleya has planned an attack on the asturian city of Pamplona, creating a barrier between Asturias and Aquitaine. But little did they know that Odo's men were already marching for Asturias, and that would be where the men of Al-Andalus and Aquitaine would meet.

And this is the story of that battle.

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''Alright men, this is where we stop the Kuffirs in their tracks. We defeated those barbarians in our own lands, and now we shall take the fight to their lands. Soon all of Iberia shall belong to the Dar es Salam, thanks to us''.
The man delivering the speech was Qumi Cassius, Rasul of Tutelya. He was a Muladi, a Spaniard who had converted to Islam, yet had earned the respect of many. He had been Emir Abd al-Aziz's right hand man in the darkest of days, and that is where much of his experience came from. The men took in every word he said, even though they had became tired from fighting off raids and revolts. They had already began marching towards the north, the land of the heathen, to fight against the Asturians.

Yet, their counterparts were surprising as prepared for the fight as they were. They believed that Legio was a fluke, a combination of poor timing and being ill-prepared, however this was not the case this time. They have had more time to train, more men to call on, and had taken note of the Moors battle strategy. This would be the fight of their lives, and they knew it. Pelagius himself had decided to lead the charge of the battle, along with his comrade, Odo the great.

Cassius and the Army of Ishbylia moved passed the border area and into Asturian territory, pillaging the towns as the Asturians did to them, looting, taking slaves, and massacreing many. When news of this reached Pelagius and his army, this only drove them further. The two armies met at the town of Pampeluna, just as Cassius had planned.

Records conflict each other about the battle, but the general consensus among historians is that the Asturians had the upper hand. According to Andalusian historian Ibn Rahman;

''The Asturians fought like untamed animals, completely catching the Ishbylian warriors off guard. Though after a while the novelty wore off, and the Ishbylians fought back just as hard. It appeared to be an even match until the armies of Aquitaine arrived to help their Christian brethren. Once then, the Ishbylians became outnumbered, and began to run out of tactics. The lord saw fit to deny the victory of Abd al-Aziz''.

To paraphrase the words of Ibn Rahman, the Lord had denied Abd al-Aziz his victory. Whatever spoils of war that were gained from the pillages prior to the battle were quickly lost, and many men died in the battle. It was the first real battle lost by the Muslims to the Christians in Iberia. However contrary to how important the victory was to the Kingdom of Asturias, the only real long term effect it had was the alliance between Asturias and the Duchy of Aquitaine.

The warriors of Ishbylia had been defeated for the first time, but perhaps their was a silver lining in the dark cloud. The Asturians were soon to make their greatest mistake, and the Ishbylians were soon to capitalise......
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Old August 8th, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Well, I kind of expect Pelagius to screw this up given his history.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 03:41 PM
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Well, I kind of expect Pelagius to screw this up given his history.
Lets just say thing aren't going to go exactly as planned for the king of Asturias
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Old August 8th, 2012, 09:09 PM
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hmm saying "It was game over for the Army of Abd al-Aziz'' seems to break suspension of disbelief a bit. Perhaps "God saw fit to delay the victory of Abd al-Aziz."

I'd assume the Asturias looted the Muslim camp right? That should be something of a help and also explains how the leadership was able to flee. Well, continue on!
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Old August 9th, 2012, 02:27 AM
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They may have won the battle but they will not win the war! May Ishbylia crush the Christian infidel! Allahu Akbar!
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They may have won the battle but they will not win the war! May Ishbylia crush the Christian infidel! Allahu Akbar!
As always, may Ishbylia destroy the infidel!

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hmm saying "It was game over for the Army of Abd al-Aziz'' seems to break suspension of disbelief a bit. Perhaps "God saw fit to delay the victory of Abd al-Aziz."

I'd assume the Asturias looted the Muslim camp right? That should be something of a help and also explains how the leadership was able to flee. Well, continue on!
1) Yeah not my best work, I think I'll have to change it. (I hope you don't mind if I sort of stole your line).
2) Sounds plausible, now that you've said it, its canon.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 10:57 AM
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Well, I kind of expect Pelagius to screw this up given his history.
He had a lucky break this time.
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Sorry there hasn't been an update recently guys, but here's one today. I've just been busy for a while.

Age of Al-Andalus: Chapter Five Hassan al-Katib (1433)
Pelagiuses folly
It had been several weeks since the Battle of Pampeluna, and it would be several weeks of celebration in Asturias. It was something Pelagius was not used to, a victory. And for what is was worth, he was going to milk it. The morale of the Christians was raised highly, not just in the kingdom, but also in al-Andalus. This had been shown by the rapid increases in revolts by the Christians of Ishbylia, from Cadiz to Zaragoza, the pressure on the Ishbylians was immense.

However, even though the Christian peasants had grown restless, Emir Abd al-Aziz still had the backing of the Christian nobles. Whilst he left had left his Rasuls to deal with the revolts, he had decided to take matters into his own hands. Along with his Mushirs*, he concocted a plan to defeat the Christian alliance. Their plan had one key component, the Caliphate. If they could some how lure the Caliphate into the war, victory would be theirs for certain. But what they could not figure out was a subtle way of bringing the Caliphate into the war. they were lucky enough for the Caliph Umar to grant them Vassal status, but the good Caliph was no longer alive, and their relationship with Caliph Yazid has been cold to say the least. Little dd they know that their enemy would be doing the job for them.

The Umayyad Caliphate still directly controlled a strip of territory in Iberia, stretching from top to bottom, and had a direct border with Aquitaine. The Christians did not have an exact map of the borders of Ishbylia and the Caliphate, and this is what would lead to their folly.
However, what Pelagius did know was that this land was neither under the control of Rasul Cassius or any other of the thorns on his backside, so he assumed it must be under the control of a weak Rasul (Given that they hadn't sent any raids to Asturias), so decided to capitalise on this ''weak Rasul''.

The Asturians sent several raiding parties across the border and into the Caliphate, hoping to find Ishbylia's weak spot. However what they received instead was numerous defeats. In fact the one battle is still noted today for its later signifacence, the first Battle of Sharkusta, in contrast to the second Battle of Sharkusta. The battle was almost a mirror image of the battle that had taken place in Legio several months earlier, except on a much smaller scale.

The governer of Umayyad al-Andalus was a man known as Munuza (Uthman ibn Nuissa), but even then he had a reputation among both Christians and Muslims. He was popular among Muslims for his leadership skills as well as being the first Umayyad governer of al-Andalus since the vassalising of Ishbylia. However he was a feared man among the Christians for his harsh taxes and his periodic raids. When he had heard about the attempted attacks, he began to see realise the dangerousness of the Christian alliance.

It would be this epiphany that would cause the two Muslim states to join forces for the first time since the Ishbylias creation. With another blunder by Pelagius and his men, things look bleak yet again. But one must not forget the Great Duke Odo, who had experience battling against the Umayyads. But lets not get ahead of ourselves, the warriors of Ishbylia and the Caliphate have yet to unite, and with so much detest between these two, can they really put aside their differences to fight against the Kuffir foe?
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A good update, knew Pelagius would do something rabidly stupid.
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Poor Christians, that was a major blunder.
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Poor Christians, that was a major blunder.
Well I did say it was only the ''first'' Ishbylia-Asturias war. Make of that what you will .

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A good update, knew Pelagius would do something rabidly stupid.
Thats something I've been wondering about, why is Pelagius considered an idiot? I've never heard about it before someone in this thread mentioned it.
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Thats something I've been wondering about, why is Pelagius considered an idiot? I've never heard about it before someone in this thread mentioned it.
Its just kind of the way hes been characterized, he goes out half cocked a lot of the time, sends men unprepared into the maws of death in an ill planned adventure and has now invaded someone not knowing anything about them and only assumed weakness because they didnt send out raiders. Hes either stupid or dangerously reckless.
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Its just kind of the way hes been characterized, he goes out half cocked a lot of the time, sends men unprepared into the maws of death in an ill planned adventure and has now invaded someone not knowing anything about them and only assumed weakness because they didnt send out raiders. Hes either stupid or dangerously reckless.
Oh so its from my characterisation of him. Well I tried to make him careless because of how many mishaps he got out of OTL just by being lucky (E.g Battle of Covadonga). But I guess it does make look like some sort of idiot. But at least he's got Odo on his side.
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Oh so its from my characterisation of him. Well I tried to make him careless because of how many mishaps he got out of OTL just by being lucky (E.g Battle of Covadonga). But I guess it does make look like some sort of idiot. But at least he's got Odo on his side.
Well glad to hear that you where actually going for dangerously reckless (which is kind of what I had been leaning towards to begin with).
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