Berlin in a CP Victory

[Berus]

nice building, wouldn't have expected that it is from 1911.
The Hungarians get weakend in the 1890s in my timeline, after a assasination attempt on franz joseph, while austria realizes that it is time for a change and wants ton increase military spending aswell as having one Military instead of two seperate. The Hungarians refuse, and the relations get worse and worse, till 1893 when the situation escalates and the Hungarian nobility gets crushed with military force, will be a short war, since almost no one supports the Hungarian auristocracy.

I do want a Strong germany and Austria. I am not so sure if the germans would dare to make the austrians a puppet, the austrians are the only real allies germany has, and why risking to spoil things with them, i doubt the Habsburgs would be happy to see their empire being a german puppet. So germany founds a Union in Europe, in which germany is the leader, but Austria is secondary to them, so they also have something to say.

[yourworstnightmare]

The Austrians would be so dependent on Germany, that they'd be a puppet anyways. Would need German help to put down rebellions, protect them from potential enemies such as Russia and Italy and would probably depend on Germany economically too.

[Berus]

why would they dependant, they survived years without being german satellite state, why should a strong austria not be able to do that after WWI.
Rebellions were not a big problem in Austria-Hungary, atleast from what i know, the situation was not that bad, giving them more autonomy, will calmd them down, remember most never wanted independent from Austria, just more autonomy. A Austria which is stronger and won the War would also gain prestige and accepted as great power. Propaganda should also be made which shows that even though there are differences, they still belong together like a big family.

[lukedalton]

why would they dependant, they survived years without being german satellite state, why should a strong austria not be able to do that after WWI.

At cause of WWI, if the war is similar at the one of OTL but the CP win A-H (as the rest of the continent) will be in shamble, the ruling class discredited and the communist make proselite, plus the economy will sunk, plus the fact that a great part of the NCO and Officer are basically on loan by the German

Rebellions were not a big problem in Austria-Hungary, atleast from what i know, the situation was not that bad, giving them more autonomy, will calmd them down, remember most never wanted independent from Austria, just more autonomy

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Give them what they want and basically you transform A-h in the EU equivalent, the problem is that any ethnicity want more autonomy...but don't want the other get it.

A Austria which is stronger and won the War would also gain prestige and accepted as great power. Propaganda should also be made which shows that even though there are differences, they still belong together like a big family

There is no prestige to won in this kind of war, only surviving...and the Kaiser i fear is better that begin to search for a new job

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by yourworstnightmare

The Austrians would be so dependent on Germany, that they'd be a puppet anyways. Would need German help to put down rebellions, protect them from potential enemies such as Russia and Italy and would probably depend on Germany economically too.

This.

And throughout all those years that Germany props up Austria they also have the chance to give up on AH, which yields Italy as a good ally, gains Germany around 15 million inhabitants and leaves the Balkans with a series of more smaller states which are more easily to be bossed around than the giant that barely holds together that AH actually is.

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Now if you want to avoid German dominance, there are two easy solutions:

1. Democratization, which already foreshadowed before the war, but cannot be avoided after (no matter whether it ends victorious or lost). With the Kaiser and the Junkers loosing power to the Liberals, Zentrum and SPD, a less dominating policy considering the "vassals" is much more likely.
2. Money. Germany sold war bonds. France won't be able to pay for them, nor is Italy or Russia. Britain and the US can't be forced to pay something (they may buy colonies, though, but that money won't be enough by far). That leaves inflation and austerity.

[Berus]

if germany would get weakend,german would still be an important language though ?

[yourworstnightmare]

Yes, but they won't overshadow English. America will grow into a economical and cultural giant, and Britain will be a World Empire still for some decades, and when they decolonize they will leave a lot of new anglophone countries behind.

[anotherlurker]

simple economic dependancy does not make a puppet - it makes a good customer. they'll stay indepandant simply by having a large population - they work, they get taxed and the money goes somewhere, be it the military, social programms, research/developement or diplomacy.

today our economy is ~70% dependant on germany, either to buy our things or to sell us their things cheap enough, our TV/entertainment is dominated by german productions (~5 austrian tv stations compared to 50+ german ones) and the laws are practically the same. does that make us a puppet?

[Berus]

If austria would be a bigger country, we would be much stronger than the small Austria today. In my timeline, Austria has a big automobile industry for example

[Van555]

Originally Posted by Berus

If austria would be a bigger country, we would be much stronger than the small Austria today. In my timeline, Austria has a big automobile industry for example

Apparently not big enough to deal with your other german speaking neighbor.

[Berus]

what if the german automobile industry goes down the toilet :P ?

They only have two large manufacturers, Opel and Mercedes. Austria has four big ones: Skoda, Steyr, Austro Daimler and Puch

[Nivek]

Originally Posted by Berus

what if the german automobile industry goes down the toilet :P ?

They only have two large manufacturers, Opel and Mercedes. Austria has four big ones: Skoda, Steyr, Austro Daimler and Puch

both Opel and Mercedes preww1 were pretty good Marque, with Opel in Trucks and Mercedes in General(luxury) cars, and them post belum the industry will explode, maybe porsche will work directly with Krupp instead the Nazis for the 'cheap popular car'

[Anderman]

Germanies first Volkswagen was from Hanomag and there were a lot more comaonies producing cars Adlerwerke, Wanderere, BMW etc.

And now back to Berlin.