AH: Eastern Orthodox Christendom

[Onyx]

Heres the Challenge

- The Conversion of the Kipchaks, Bashkirs, Mordvins, Alanians, Circassians, Chechans, and Tatars to Eastern Orthodoxy in the Middle Ages, say around from Late 1000's to 1200's

- The establishment of Orthodox Medieval Kingdoms of Albania, Wallachia, Mordovia, Tataria, Kipchak, Alania, Chechnya, and Circassia

- The Armenians having regain there traditional Armenian land, not Cilicia

- The Orthodox version of a Christendom

OC: The reason why Im asking for this is because this is going to happen in my new AH

[Tongera]

Countries such as Albania, Wallachia, Moldovia, Circassia were already majority Orthodox Christain. Let them fight for freedom.

The Steppe nations i would think need a capable to leader to convert and then convert his people.

[MarshalBraginsky]

The Alans' descendants are already Orthodox Christian, which are the Ossetians. Albania, that is easily manageable. Just have them stick around as a vassal of the Byzantine Empire. The steppe peoples like the Kipchaks/Cumans, Bashkirs, Tatars and many others, they were a key component within the Khanate of the Golden Horde, and one of my threads, Khans and Crosses, actually has the Golden Horde converting to Orthodox Christianity. Only they did it with the help of neither Byzantine or Russian priests, but Orthodox clergy from Serbia.

[Onyx]

Alright, but how will I get the Armenians to regain there original land?

I would also would like to have the Steppes not be converted through Mongol control, but earlier

[yourworstnightmare]

Alania was a little orthodox kingdom during the Middle Ages (roughly Ossetia).

[Basileus Giorgios]

Surviving ERE would quite easily do it- perhaps a Mongol conquest of the ERE to break it apart, and then the adoption of Orthodoxy by whichever Khanate emerges? When that Khanate collapses, the remaining little states all adopt Orthodoxy.

Armenia was never Eastern Orthodox, though. There are more differences between the Church of Armenia and the Eastern Orthodox Church than there are between the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.

[Delvestius]

The biggest victory Orthodoxy can realistically achieve is setting up a branch in Poland, and be the first to convert the pagan Lithuanians. This would solidify Orthodoxy's hold over central Europe and the Balkans, as well as possibly strengthening Poland against Western Catholic powers.

[eliphas8]

Originally Posted by Delvestius

The biggest victory Orthodoxy can realistically achieve is setting up a branch in Poland, and be the first to convert the pagan Lithuanians. This would solidify Orthodoxy's hold over central Europe and the Balkans, as well as possibly strengthening Poland against Western Catholic powers.

Don't forget an Orthodox Hungary which was entirely plausible except for the patriarch wanting Hungary to be a grand duchy akin to the Rus. Get rid of this reluctance and they would end up eastern rite most likely.

[ImmortalImpi]

If I remember correctly the Czech and Slovak peoples had been converted to Orthodox Christianity by Cyril and Methodius, but were re-converted to Catholicism by German missionaries. I think the impetus towards re-conversion was the fact of proximity, so the conversion of some other, closer peoples, such as the Croats, would help the decision along.

[MarshalBraginsky]

I'm not sure if trying to convert the Germanic peoples to Eastern Orthodoxy would have worked. The PoD would have to be around Justinian's time to make it work.

[Onyx]

Well I would like for the Poles and Magyars to have there status quo, just the Steppes and Caucasia evolving into an Eastern Orthodox Medieval society

And yes I now understand about the Ossetians and Circassians I would just like them to be more known to the worls and having a medieval society

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Delvestius

The biggest victory Orthodoxy can realistically achieve is setting up a branch in Poland, and be the first to convert the pagan Lithuanians. This would solidify Orthodoxy's hold over central Europe and the Balkans, as well as possibly strengthening Poland against Western Catholic powers.

Originally Posted by eliphas8

Don't forget an Orthodox Hungary which was entirely plausible except for the patriarch wanting Hungary to be a grand duchy akin to the Rus. Get rid of this reluctance and they would end up eastern rite most likely.

Originally Posted by ImmortalImpi

If I remember correctly the Czech and Slovak peoples had been converted to Orthodox Christianity by Cyril and Methodius, but were re-converted to Catholicism by German missionaries. I think the impetus towards re-conversion was the fact of proximity, so the conversion of some other, closer peoples, such as the Croats, would help the decision along.

Originally Posted by MarshalBraginsky

I'm not sure if trying to convert the Germanic peoples to Eastern Orthodoxy would have worked. The PoD would have to be around Justinian's time to make it work.

I had said this before, if West Slavs, Magyars and Germans were converted to Greek Rites there will be no Orthodox Church because Rome will remain under Byzantine influence so it will be a Greek "Catholic Church" not an Orthodox church, perhaps a Greek Catholic Church and a Latin Western Church based in France.

And yes I now understand about the Ossetians and Circassians I would just like them to be more known to the worls and having a medieval society

Prevent the Circassians from being influenced by the Ottomans.

[Onyx]

Is it also possible for the Eastern Orthodox community to reach a Medieval renaissance like that of Western Europe during the 1200-1300's?

[MarshalBraginsky]

Aside from the Byzantines? If only Czechia remained Orthodox, or if Halych-Volhynia survived the Mongol onslaught, then they'd be the center of the Orthodox renaissance.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by MarshalBraginsky

Aside from the Byzantines? If only Czechia remained Orthodox, or if Halych-Volhynia survived the Mongol onslaught, then they'd be the center of the Orthodox renaissance.

How about the Rus Principalities? Thats where I want the Medieval Renaissance to happen, as well as Byzantium and maybe Serbia and Georgia/Armenia

And no Orthodox Czechia, Im not having them as Orthodox in my TL

[MarshalBraginsky]

Originally Posted by Kaisermeister

How about the Rus Principalities? Thats where I want the Medieval Renaissance to happen, as well as Byzantium and maybe Serbia and Georgia/Armenia

And no Orthodox Czechia, Im not having them as Orthodox in my TL

Serbia, if you can find a way to keep it strong. NikoZnate might be a good person to ask if you want to know how to have a surviving, independent, medieval Serbia. The Rus principalities, I did suggest Halych-Volhynia since it was he only credible Rus' state that didn't become the vassal of the Golden Horde. Armenia and Georgia, that would be extremely tricky since they border the Abbasid Caliphate and a couple of Turkic statelets.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by MarshalBraginsky

Serbia, if you can find a way to keep it strong. NikoZnate might be a good person to ask if you want to know how to have a surviving, independent, medieval Serbia. The Rus principalities, I did suggest Halych-Volhynia since it was he only credible Rus' state that didn't become the vassal of the Golden Horde. Armenia and Georgia, that would be extremely tricky since they border the Abbasid Caliphate and a couple of Turkic statelets.

In my TL, the Mongols and Turks are branched off, so no Golden Horde or Ottomans/Seljuks. So without those the rest of Rus and Byzantium can flourish in Medieval society right?

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by Kaisermeister

In my TL, the Mongols and Turks are branched off, so no Golden Horde or Ottomans/Seljuks. So without those the rest of Rus and Byzantium can flourish in Medieval society right?

They both would flourish. I think the Kievan Rus (if that is what you mean by Rus) was declining at the time, so might have to take that into consideration.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by Tongera

They both would flourish. I think the Kievan Rus (if that is what you mean by Rus) was declining at the time, so might have to take that into consideration.

No I mean the principalities like Vladimir-Suzdal, Novgorod, etc

[MarshalBraginsky]

Avoid the Mongol invasion of Rus' and that can be done.