Map of the Fortnight: Main thread

[XNM]

I couldn't think of a way to make a map that was good enough, to my own standards. Maybe the next one.

[Klisz]

Originally Posted by Krall

Hmm, I'm not sure that'd be a good challenge. There doesn't seem to be all that many crazy people of this particular calibre throughout history, and there would be relatively few changes that one could show on a map as a result.

What if the contestants were allowed to make up a crazy person?

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Klisz

What if the contestants were allowed to make up a crazy person?

My first reaction was that this would would be too open-ended, but... maybe not.

[Krall]

Originally Posted by Klisz

What if the contestants were allowed to make up a crazy person?

Originally Posted by Kaiphranos

My first reaction was that this would would be too open-ended, but... maybe not.

I think making up a person with an unconventional ideology and then having them randomly gain power would be much too vague and unfocused, and I don't really see how it could result in interesting maps.

[Krall]

Well, at this point it certainly looks like "Air, Water, Earth, Fire" is the most popular challenge suggestion for MotF 64. If anyone would prefer a different challenge, or if they approve of "Air, Water, Earth, Fire" but haven't said so, now would be a great time to mention it!

[Æsir]

Somehow I managed to get an entry in, but it isn't very good...

[pearsonwright]

Originally Posted by Krall

Well, at this point it certainly looks like "Air, Water, Earth, Fire" is the most popular challenge suggestion for MotF 64. If anyone would prefer a different challenge, or if they approve of "Air, Water, Earth, Fire" but haven't said so, now would be a great time to mention it!

Trianon

Show a map of a defeated country being broken up into smaller states after a War.

Some OTL examples: Treaty of Trianon (1920), Treaty of Sèvres (1920), Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919), Treaty of Granada (1500), Treaty of Campo Formio (1797)

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by pearsonwright

Trianon

Show a map of a defeated country being broken up into smaller states after a War.

Some OTL examples: Treaty of Trianon (1920), Treaty of Sèvres (1920), Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919), Treaty of Granada (1500), Treaty of Campo Formio (1797)

Maybe something like...

United we Stood, Divided we Fall...

[Muwatalli']

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Maybe something like...

United we Stood, Divided we Fall...

This seems a good challenge. I think that either Trianon or United we Stood, Divided we Fall would work.

[Ares96]

My entry is in!

[Turquoise Blue]

Seven! I just seem to make those types of challenges that excites people's imaginations...

[Krall]

Originally Posted by pearsonwright

Trianon

Show a map of a defeated country being broken up into smaller states after a War.

Some OTL examples: Treaty of Trianon (1920), Treaty of Sèvres (1920), Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919), Treaty of Granada (1500), Treaty of Campo Formio (1797)

Hmm, I like the idea, but some of the examples don't seem to actually conform to the challenge:

- The Treaty of Granada essentially lead to the annexation of Granada to Spain.
- The Treaty of Campo Formio mostly concerned France annexing bits of Austrian territory.
- The Treaty of Sèvres concerned the annexation of parts of the Ottoman Empire by other countries.

As I said, I like the idea, but only the break up of Austria-Hungary seems to meet the criteria - unless you count peaceful break ups like Yugoslavia and the USSR - and I want to make sure we're all interpreting the challenge the same way before we agree to it!

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Seven! I just seem to make those types of challenges that excites people's imaginations...

I'm sorry, but that makes you sound rather arrogant - especially considering seven entries is about average!

[pearsonwright]

Originally Posted by Krall

Hmm, I like the idea, but some of the examples don't seem to actually conform to the challenge:

- The Treaty of Granada essentially lead to the annexation of Granada to Spain.
- The Treaty of Campo Formio mostly concerned France annexing bits of Austrian territory.
- The Treaty of Sèvres concerned the annexation of parts of the Ottoman Empire by other countries.

As I said, I like the idea, but only the break up of Austria-Hungary seems to meet the criteria - unless you count peaceful break ups like Yugoslavia and the USSR - and I want to make sure we're all interpreting the challenge the same way before we agree to it!



I'm sorry, but that makes you sound rather arrogant - especially considering seven entries is about average!

There were multiple treaties of Granada (hence why I put 1500), the 1500 treaty partitioned Naples between Spain and France.

Campo Formio had the Venetian republic partitioned between France and Austria.

For the Treaty of Sevres, I should have broadened the description to include having parts of the defeated country annexed by other existing countries.

I guess it should be broadened to Peaceful partitions / divisions as well.

[Krall]

Originally Posted by pearsonwright

There were multiple treaties of Granada (hence why I put 1500), the 1500 treaty partitioned Naples between Spain and France.

Campo Formio had the Venetian republic partitioned between France and Austria.

For the Treaty of Sevres, I should have broadened the description to include having parts of the defeated country annexed by other existing countries.

I guess it should be broadened to Peaceful partitions as well.

I'd rather the challenge was about a country being broken up into new countries, as we already had a challenge where a harsh peace was forced on the losing side of a war in MotF 31: All You Can Annex Buffet.

Of course, I'd be willing to rerun that challenge if it's popular (it was over 30 rounds ago), I just prefer the idea of maps showing a country being broken up into multiple new, small countries.

[pearsonwright]

Originally Posted by Krall

I'd rather the challenge was about a country being broken up into new countries, as we already had a challenge where a harsh peace was forced on the losing side of a war in MotF 31: All You Can Annex Buffet.

Of course, I'd be willing to rerun that challenge if it's popular (it was over 30 rounds ago), I just prefer the idea of maps showing a country being broken up into multiple new, small countries.

Alright, we could make it being broken up into just new countries then. (perhaps some minor annexations would be allowed)

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Krall

I'm sorry, but that makes you sound rather arrogant - especially considering seven entries is about average!

Oh. Sorry! I didn't mean to be arrogant. At least I don't make terrible ideas...

[Krall]

Originally Posted by pearsonwright

Alright, we could make it being broken up into just new countries then. (perhaps some minor annexations would be allowed)

Well if we're using Austria-Hungary as the main OTL example then annexations would definitely be allowed.

[pearsonwright]

Originally Posted by Krall

Well if we're using Austria-Hungary as the main OTL example then annexations would definitely be allowed.

Alright then, so would Trianon be the next MOTF challenge? or does there need to be a vote to decide the challenge or something.

[Kaiphranos]

I'm done for either Air, Water, Earth, Fire or for Trianon. (Though the latter needs a slightly more descriptive name. "Shades of Trianon", maybe? Or possibly something more generic--"Featuring A New Cast"? "Acorns From A Fallen Oak"? "Heads Of The Hydra"?

[Klisz]

Originally Posted by Kaiphranos

I'm done for either Air, Water, Earth, Fire or for Trianon. (Though the latter needs a slightly more descriptive name. "Shades of Trianon", maybe? Or possibly something more generic--"Featuring A New Cast"? "Acorns From A Fallen Oak"? "Heads Of The Hydra"?

I second the support for Air, Water, Earth, Fire and Trianon, and also support the renaming of the latter to Heads of the Hydra (I really really like that name).