Map Thread IX

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Clandango

How is it that the Germans gained or retained a single colony or treaty port when they had no way if reaching or taking them? Is Hungary communist?

Giving Germany her colonies back was good for Britain's bank account.

Yes. The Germans aren't happy, but Moscow and Paris threatened to make a big stink about any invasion back when the British were still fighting. Now the Germans just can't be bothered.

[Clandango]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Giving Germany her colonies back was good for Britain's bank account.

I look forward to any sequel showing the effects of the Dominons losing the lands they conquered and the lose of respect for the British. Though by the looks of Ireland they would crush any dissident fairly swiftly.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

And here is the map. Too many notes, bah.

Bruce

Good map, Bruce!

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Clandango

I look forward to any sequel showing the effects of the Dominons losing the lands they conquered and the lose of respect for the British. Though by the looks of Ireland they would crush any dissident fairly swiftly.

I actually plan to put a story based in this world up at some point. The main issue is keeping the US out of Canada.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Sapiento

Commissioned map, showing a surviving Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania (with some minor grammar errors in this version).

Nice map, Sapiento!

[General Tirpitz]

Originally Posted by Beedok

I couldn't get a decent map of the 1790s, and I figured they are still full of revolutionary vigour, so they fit. Also it leaves the dilemma for returning Frenchmen on whether to protect the fledgling republic or side with Bonaparte. My guess is that Algerians will want the strong arm of Bonaparte to get some reinforcements, but I'm not sure yet.

Also, added Japan during the Boshin War, and a sliver of the Confederacy.

You should maybe add Nepal, Portugal (the Carnation Revolution) and Biafra.

[area11]

Originally Posted by Beedok

I couldn't get a decent map of the 1790s, and I figured they are still full of revolutionary vigour, so they fit. Also it leaves the dilemma for returning Frenchmen on whether to protect the fledgling republic or side with Bonaparte. My guess is that Algerians will want the strong arm of Bonaparte to get some reinforcements, but I'm not sure yet.

Also, added Japan during the Boshin War, and a sliver of the Confederacy.

How about adding East Timor just before the Indonesian invasion.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by General Tirpitz

You should maybe add Nepal, Portugal (the Carnation Revolution) and Biafra.

Nepal from when?

Originally Posted by area11

How about adding East Timor just before the Indonesian invasion.

They had a revolution?

[Saepe Fidelis]

Map set in 1976 with a POD in 1960: Patrice Lumumba wins the First Congolese Civil War with Soviet help and transforms it into the People's Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Cold War comes to Africa...hard.

1. The PDRC has enacted a policy of forced industrialisation, with enormous zinc and copper processing plants and hydroelectric dams at Stanley Falls and on the Congo cataracts providing power. Its annual GDP growth rate is 11%, but at an enormous human and ecological cost. The 'Co-Prosperity Reserves' are self-governing tribal areas which are seen as too under-developed for full integration (read: too scary to fight right now).

2. Katanga broke away in 1960 yet was restored to the PDRC in 1961 with Soviet and Cuban aid; in the political settlement it was granted some measure of self-government, though its leaders weer quickly purged and replaced with loyal Party stooges.

3. The People's Union of Equatoria was formed in 1973 because of Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere's ardent socialist internationalism, Kenya's economic troubles and Uganda's political crisis precipitated by northern secessionism. It's aligned with India and the Non-Aligned Movement, and its policy of agrarian communitarianism, although inefficient, is at least fairly bloodless. Good healthcare and education systems, although low income per capita.

4. Rwanda-Burundi went nasty after the PDRC sponsored revolutions against the 'proletarian' Hutu against the 'bourgeois' Tutsi; the genocide lasted for three years and only ended in 1975 when the PUE intervened, for which Nyerere earned the Nobel Peace Prize. Think Cambodia in scale. In retaliation, the PDRC has begun backing Ugandan secessionist movements.

5. The South African Union is an American-backed project to try and stop the southward creep of socialism in Africa; little bnids it together asides from US subsidies.

6. Rhodesia seceded in 1965 as per OTL, yet was quickly made a puppet regime by South Africa, whose own leaders didn't much like the looks of 'Black Communism'. SA's stated frontier is the Zambezi.

7. Apartheid has become a contentious issue between SA and the USA; after the abolition of segregation, the US has come under pressure from voters and civil rights groups to cut its ties with South Africa. President Nixon had none of that, going so far as to share nuclear secrets with the South Africans. President Brown may think otherwise...

8. Angola's been invaded by South Africa to try and oust the socialist government that's backed by the PDRC.

9. Nixon diplomacy established a cordon sanitiere of particularly insane regimes in West Africa: in Gabon a narrow oligarchy controls the coutnry's huge oil wealth, while in Equatorial Guinea Francisco Macias Nguema rules as a witchdoctor-dictator where all the country's school and hospitals have shut and soldiers dressed as Santa Claus execute dissidents (note: that actually happened)

10. Nigeria's more of a military junta than a proper Marxist-Leninist state, but it's close enough. Currently enacting China-style market reforms.

11. Ethiopia's a military dictatorship, with Haile Salassie under house arrest; there's no mass starvation, mostly because of the state's massive subsidies from America.

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Clandango

You still have the original five maps or you have other maps not posted?

The original five. Yes, unfortunately these days I'm working on assignments (which happen to be poem and song writing for one of my classes) rather than maps.

[Clandango]

Originally Posted by Saepe Fidelis

Map set in 1976 with a POD in 1960: Patrice Lumumba wins the First Congolese Civil War with Soviet help and transforms it into the People's Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Cold War comes to Africa...hard.

Very nice. May I ask what influence the Europeans and North Africans have?

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Beedok

UCS for 'minor chinese state'. In this case it's a offshoot of the military thinking China's only hope is a military dictatorship. Least popular movement, but possibly the strongest thanks to military support.


From about 1917-1920 the british were supporting a French government in exile. The Germans weren't to keen on that though, and neither was Paris. In exchange for no exhile France Japan got Indochina and the British got out of paying quite as much in war damages.

Ah. Thought it was a Muslim revolt or something.

[General Tirpitz]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Nepal from when?

Maybe 2006? That year Maoists achieved their final victory. 2004 would be also interesting as fighting was still very intense. (I'm unfortunately not very knowable on this topic.)

Rhodesia during the Bush War would be also interesing. Not sure which year would be the best one though.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Saepe Fidelis

9. Nixon diplomacy established a cordon sanitiere of particularly insane regimes in West Africa: in Gabon a narrow oligarchy controls the coutnry's huge oil wealth, while in Equatorial Guinea Francisco Macias Nguema rules as a witchdoctor-dictator where all the country's school and hospitals have shut and soldiers dressed as Santa Claus execute dissidents (note: that actually happened)

Well that's going in the "Things that look like Alternate History but aren't" thread.

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Saepe Fidelis

Map set in 1976 with a POD in 1960: Patrice Lumumba wins the First Congolese Civil War with Soviet help and transforms it into the People's Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Cold War comes to Africa...hard.

Nice map, SF. I've occasionally had some thoughts on Red Congo, and generally I suspect post-Communist Congo would be (although unpleasant) less of a crapsack than post-Mobutu Zaire: but the idea of Congo as North Korea is not without its appeal too.

Originally Posted by Saepe Fidelis

in Gabon a narrow oligarchy controls the coutnry's huge oil wealth

Which differs from OTL how?

Bruce

[Saepe Fidelis]

Originally Posted by Clandango

Very nice. May I ask what influence the Europeans and North Africans have?

East Germans and Czechoslovaks supply a lot of arms to the socialist regimes. France is still heavily involved in North Africa; the federation of Mali, Niger and Chad is held together by French subsidies and arms.

[Future8]

This is the country that I originally wanted to enter in the North American Baseball Championship; however, Deano1001 got there first with his Mexique, and though I got some land west of the Sierra Madre Occidental from him, I didn't want to ask for any more.

This is from a mix of two of my previous maps: the West American Union, and the recent one where Queen Isabella marries the Portuguese dude rather than King Ferdinand, and Aragon survives.

So, rather than France getting that huge piece of land in America, they only manage to get Texas, (Techas in this one with different borders). Aragon gets to Mexico first and settle on the east coast. However, they are pushed west by the Spano-Portuguese, and get only Baja California and a bit of land west of Sierra Madre Occidental.

After the Europeans leave the Americas, French-speaking Techas and Aragonese-speaking California form a union to keep their countries from being influenced too much by the United States or Mexico. They built a road over the United States' state of New Mexico to avoid a disollution.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by General Tirpitz

Maybe 2006? That year Maoists achieved their final victory. 2004 would be also interesting as fighting was still very intense. (I'm unfortunately not very knowable on this topic.)

Rhodesia during the Bush War would be also interesing. Not sure which year would be the best one though.

2006 works. Provides a balance for the Arab world too.

[God-Eater of the Marshes]

Originally Posted by Sapiento

Commissioned map, showing a surviving Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania (with some minor grammar errors in this version).

--snip--

You're certainly a very skilled map-maker. I love the way this actually looks like a map out of an atlas.

[Yalew]

Quick request does anyone have a map of Europe in 1780(ish)? Thanks!