Retrospective US Presidential Election Results Thread

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by JSmith

Just what I was looking for Looks like WW2 has had some tweaks.

By the way, I'm having Franklin D. Roosevelt be looked at a fair bit more critical then OTL. He's not America's Hero in ATL, that I can say...

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

By the way, I'm having Franklin D. Roosevelt be looked at a fair bit more critical then OTL. He's not America's Hero in ATL, that I can say...

Well in the ATL I imagine he gets as much if not more criticism from the left as from the right.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by The Red

Excerpt from America: A Narrative History

Ch 34, "Time for a Change"

"...in what is widely termed 'The Socialist Era' had posed a formidable challenge to any Republican hopes of regaining the White House. By 1952, the 'Grand Old Party' had not won the presidency in 36 years, and despite usually coming second, they had failed to gain even a third of the vote since 1916. Many voters couldn't remember when President Charles Evans Hughes had exited the White House, some hadn't even been born. With an aging organisation and voting base, some sections of the left wing press began to claim GOP actually stood for 'Grandfather's and Octogenarian's Pageant'. However hope lay on the horizon. After much speculation, Marshal Dwight D. Eisenhower declared he was in fact a Republican. The GOP machinery, still largely under the control of Thomas E. Dewey, threw themselves at Eisenhower. His acceptance would reshape American politics for more than a decade.*

Whilst a Republican in the White House was distant memory for most, the public did remember the war, they remembered the struggle and the suffering, and most all they remembered that infectious smile on the face of the liberator of Moscow. With a popularity capable of attracting independents, liberals and even some socialists and the promise of a new 'Social Republicanism', he would go on to gain the Republican nomination with ease.

For the first time in decades, the Republicans went into the fall campaign with victory in their sights."

*Not that impressive in OTL, but a pretty big deal here considering the number of political shifts ITTL.

Neat. Looking forward to more of this. You said you were going to start in 1948? I would hope that you'll at least describe how the alternate WWII went....

Also, you call Eisenhower a Marshal rather than a General. Was this intentional?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by JSmith

Well in the ATL I imagine he gets as much if not more criticism from the left as from the right.

And due to America's more tolerant nature, the horror of the Japanese-American internment would, I hope, be more opposed then OTL.

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

I would hope that you'll at least describe how the alternate WWII went....

I would imagine that perhaps ITTL American involvemnt in WW2 was quicker since you probably have a less nativist/isolationist population right?

[Plumber]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

And due to America's more tolerant nature, the horror of the Japanese-American internment would, I hope, be more opposed then OTL.

If it even happens.

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

And due to America's more tolerant nature, the horror of the Japanese-American internment would, I hope, be more opposed then OTL.

I bet that Eleanor gets her way about things more frequently than OTL. For example it might be possible for de-segreagtion of the Armed Forces to happen under Roosevelt instead of Truman.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Plumber

If it even happens.

Good point. Blue won't have an excuse to bash FDR then.

[The Red]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Neat. Looking forward to more of this. You said you were going to start in 1948? I would hope that you'll at least describe how the alternate WWII went....

I'll probably start somewhat earlier than that, perhaps at the turn of the century. Does anyone have any preference?

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Also, you call Eisenhower a Marshal rather than a General. Was this intentional?

Well spotted.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Good point. Blue won't have an excuse to bash FDR then.

I voted against him on two occurrences, swallowing my pride and voting Republican. I am not allowing that to be in vain. FDR will try internment in my TL.

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by The Red

I'll probably start somewhat earlier than that, perhaps at the turn of the century. Does anyone have any preference?

1896/1900 would be good as the beginning of the Socialist era.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

I voted against him on two occurrences, swallowing my pride and voting Republican. I am not allowing that to be in vain. FDR will try internment in my TL.

You made a great sacrifice....

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

You made a great sacrifice....

Of course, after FDR died, I voted Truman in 1948. Combat Communism!

To be honest, I'm thinking, maybe the Whites wins, not the Reds? That would explain a more leftist America, and a "White Scare" shrinks the right-wing?

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by The Red

I'll probably start somewhat earlier than that, perhaps at the turn of the century. Does anyone have any preference?

The earlier, the better.

Originally Posted by The Red

Well spotted.

I see.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Of course, after FDR died, I voted Truman in 1948. Combat Communism!

To be honest, I'm thinking, maybe the Whites wins, not the Reds? That would explain a more leftist America, and a "White Scare" shrinks the right-wing?

Not a bad idea, but the Cold War had a huge impact on American politics that would be difficult to explain away.

[The Red]

Originally Posted by JSmith

1896/1900 would be good as the beginning of the Socialist era.

I was thinking of having it start in 1888, with Streeter.

[The Red]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Not a bad idea, but the Cold War had a huge impact on American politics that would be difficult to explain away.

Or, you create an alternative Red under the bed.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Not a bad idea, but the Cold War had a huge impact on American politics that would be difficult to explain away.

OK. The Republicans are affected by the White Scare. Wilson loses the 1916 election to Hughes, because he's a tad more open in his racism.

Debs wins 1920, promising the American people that the USA will stand against Fascism (called Crystalism) in the world.

La Follette wins 1924, and he and BKW continues the USA's anti-Crystalist stance. In 1928, the newly Liberal/Socialist Democratic Party doesn't focus on this, instead basing off the thriving economy.

FDR deals with the Little Depression, introducing a more radical New Deal to the American people. In 1940, the American people are scared of Crystalist Japan, so FDR does internment. This backfires and the American people are more distrusting of the Democratic Party.

Eisenhower runs as a Republican in 1952 and 1956, promising to combat Crystalism in the world, creating the "Eisenhower Doctrine". Stevenson does the same, but Ike wins the elections on his war record.

Kennedy and Johnson is a tad more lefty then OTL, and very anti-Crystalist. The Prohibition Party has embraced Crystalism, so its very unpopular.

Humphrey is tough on Crystalism, but the people are starting to wear of the Japanese War (between the anti-Crystalist dictatorship of South Japan, and the Crystalist Empire in the North) so they vote in McGovern which then withdraw in a sensible way.

Ford combats Crystalism, as well as Carter. Mondale successfully connects Reagan with Crystalism, this explains Reagan's sharp decline in popularity.

Dukakis is a lackluster president, and Crystalism grows in power in the world, then Clinton takes over, and with his hard stance against Crystalism, plus the pressures from the world, Poland having re-united, and Japan having threw off Crystalism, declaring itself a parliamentary monarchy, with a different Emperor, the ideology itself collapses, as well as Russia (which since Crystalism is fascism, is worse then OTL)

Gore runs on Clinton's record of having won against Crystalism, and wins 2000. He declines to run in 2004, and Kerry wins that. The Democratic Party gains a lot of popularity since it successfully defeated Crystalism.

How about that? A different Cold War, against Fascism.

[The Red]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

How about that? A different Cold War, against Fascism.

So there's a second world war, but it ends in stalemate?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by The Red

So there's a second world war, but it ends in stalemate?

No. I was thinking, that Germany would go Communist, but a nastier form of Communism. The positions would be switched, you see...