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Old June 22nd, 2012, 01:30 PM
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"DOn't get high on your own supply."

Ayn Rand is making the classic rookie mistake of thinking she is brilliant and everyone who thinks different from her or dissagrees with her in any way is "Shtpid und dumb." and she has managed to surround herself with people who tell her what she wants to hear.

In short she is a classic supervillain who doesn't understand why she can't just do whatever she wants and have whatever she wants and treat other people like crap, and HEY what is everyone getting so upset about? Oh, they must just be bums and looters and pinko commies that hate her because she's so smart and yada yada yada."
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 01:53 PM
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A thought just struck me: in the first section with the UHMK's CEO, he ironically thought after seeing Galtville's proposal: "Maybe Tintin will tell me that don't need pay taxes next"... And he was told that... by Tintin's antagonist!
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 01:54 PM
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A thought just struck me: in the first section with the UHMK's CEO, he ironically thought after seeing Galtville's proposal: "Maybe Tintin will tell me that don't need pay taxes next"... And he was told that... by Tintin's antagonist!
Maybe he classes Ayn Rand as a child playing at being an adult=Tintin
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:42 PM
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So Ayn Rand is going out of her way to piss off as many people as possible? She thinks she's the goddamn batman, but galtville's going to be short-lived.
Yep! From the first chapter, I wanted to make the point that there is no way in hell an Objectivist state- especially one run by somebody as abusive, misanthropic, and vain as Ayn Rand, would last for more than a couple of years.


Now the real question is; just how bad can it get before it all falls apart?




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That is precisely why I came up with the idea in the first place - the comic would be a sort of "apology" for its 1930s predecessor.

Ahahaha, yeah, I was gonna say. Herge might try to paint things as more sympathetic the second time around (it would be hard to be more racist than "Tintin in the Congo") but I doubt Lumumba et. al. are going to give him a whole lot of sympathy.


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At most, Rand's little fantasy world aside, her and the Legion of Doom really don't have a hope in hell of going toe-to-toe with an actual first world country.

Much like the real life Cold War, you might find yourself deeply disappointed at who steps in to help the bad guy.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:45 PM
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Yep! From the first chapter, I wanted to make the point that there is no way in hell an Objectivist state- especially one run by somebody as abusive, misanthropic, and vain as Ayn Rand, would last for more than a couple of years.


Now the real question is; just how bad can it get before it all falls apart?







Ahahaha, yeah, I was gonna say. Herge might try to paint things as more sympathetic the second time around (it would be hard to be more racist than "Tintin in the Congo") but I doubt Lumumba et. al. are going to give him a whole lot of sympathy.





Much like the real life Cold War, you might find yourself deeply disappointed at who steps in to help the bad guy.

Oh I probably will in fact I would just bet the U.S> steps in to help Rand in the excuse of "Fighting the commies."
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 07:27 PM
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BTW, I plan to make some UN propaganda posters soon.
Good to know man. Although with "Hammershields" I'd kinda thought of that as a nickname for UN Peacekeeper forces in
general rather than a specific unit.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:36 PM
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Good to know man. Although with "Hammershields" I'd kinda thought of that as a nickname for UN Peacekeeper forces in general rather than a specific unit.
It's never been made concrete and I wouldn't mind if the entire force was nicknamed like that. Who knows, maybe it could start a new tradition for UN peacekeeping units (colourful nicknames and insignia as positive PR, etc.).
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 09:20 PM
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It's never been made concrete and I wouldn't mind if the entire force was nicknamed like that. Who knows, maybe it could start a new tradition for UN peacekeeping units (colourful nicknames and insignia as positive PR, etc.).
Just get rid of those goofy assed light blue beret's and I'll be happy.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 10:25 PM
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It's never been made concrete and I wouldn't mind if the entire force was nicknamed like that. Who knows, maybe it could start a new tradition for UN peacekeeping units (colourful nicknames and insignia as positive PR, etc.).
The UN will wind up different, but not so different that semi-pronounceable really long acronyms will fall out of fashion (ONUC, UNAMIR, UNWRA, UNHCR)


Also I think popular opinion is swinging so far to the pro-hammershields direction that one unit will certainly be nicknamed that, but I will state (CANON) that it will be a Swedish air force unit. I don't think any other nationality would feel that sort of "personal" connection to 'ol Dag.


Also canon; If any TV show gets inspired by ATL UN peacekeepers, it is totally going to be supermarionette-based.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 10:26 PM
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The UN will wind up different, but not so different that semi-pronounceable really long acronyms will fall out of fashion (ONUC, UNAMIR, UNWRA, UNHCR)
Good we need those acronyms.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 11:12 PM
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Also canon; If any TV show gets inspired by ATL UN peacekeepers, it is totally going to be supermarionette-based.
Holy Gerry Anderson.
In a more serious note, i doubt that the USA will give too much as aid to Katanga...yes they are anti-communist, the problem is the moment someone look better at their work the outcry will be terrible. It's not that for realpolitik reason (or simple habit) the USA had supported dictatorship in the third world...but here we're talking of US citizen enstablishing a tiny disguised slave nation not the local 'not used to democracy' (aka is not our fault if they live in a dictatorship is they that are not ready or is impossible type of excuse). No politician will want to touch them as they want to be re-elected...except some extreme southern democrats
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 11:14 PM
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Not to mention, the Belgians would likely throw a fit if that were to happen.

No, I suspect Rand's NOT going to be getting US aid anytime soon...
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 10:03 AM
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Also canon; If any TV show gets inspired by ATL UN peacekeepers, it is totally going to be supermarionette-based.
OK, making this my personal canon ! At least we'll butterfly away my idea about the botched animated version and therefore save Filmation-made Star Trek.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 03:37 PM
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The Hammershields!

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It's never been made concrete and I wouldn't mind if the entire force was nicknamed like that.
That was what I had in mind, obvious hommage to Dag Hammarskjold and all. Although maybe it only get popularised after the 1980s TV series .
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Old June 27th, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Or even a 2nd world country.

Actually, there's probably a 3rd world country or two that could probably just attrition swarm Rand's forces into oblivion.
Hell, a well-equipped city's police force can probably take them down no sweat.

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Old June 27th, 2012, 01:57 PM
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That was what I had in mind, obvious hommage to Dag Hammarskjold and all. Although maybe it only get popularised after the 1980s TV series .
Correction: It was a 1960s series.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:33 PM
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I stand corrected, good sir. Although idea of a TV series (or maybe even a movie) popularising the nickname for UN peacekeepers is still cool.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:37 PM
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Although idea of a TV series (or maybe even a movie) popularising the nickname for UN peacekeepers is still cool.
And is actually plausible. The nickname "Viper" for the F-16 came from pilots who were fans of the original Battlestar Galactica. Also, the testbed space shuttle Enterprise, with the Star Trek influence behind its naming.
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And is actually plausible. The nickname "Viper" for the F-16 came from pilots who were fans of the original Battlestar Galactica. Also, the testbed space shuttle Enterprise, with the Star Trek influence behind its naming.
I remember both as well as the Orig, BSG series. I can see that happening that way.
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I'm pumping this in the name of THE HAMMERSHEILDS!!!
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