Retrospective US Presidential Election Results Thread

[Plumber]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Alright, everybody. We need to figure out a list of Presidential ratings.

No, we don't. We can figure out which Presidents are good and which are bad though, kind of.

[metastasis_d]

With Clay instead of Polk, how likely is it that Texas through California are even part of the US?

[Plumber]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

With Clay instead of Polk, how likely is it that Texas through California are even part of the US?

100%, because the electoral maps need to be the same. But I doubt that Clay got us that land. I could see one of the Liberty candidates doing it, maybe they messed up the war and Clay ended it with those gains.

[Nerdlinger]

Here's a ranking based on each candidate's average percentage of the vote in all the Retrospective elections which have been completed (not counting the 4 EC votes). The asterisk (*) signifies the candidate was elected president here at least once.

1. Frémont, John* (85.71%)
2. Lincoln, Abraham* (84.92%)
3. Washington, George* (81.36%)
4. Grant, Ulysses* (71.05%)
5. Scott, Winfield* (65.77%)
6. Adams, John Quincy* (62.21%)
7. Webster, Daniel* (61.06%)
8. Roosevelt, Theodore* (58.39%)
9. Roosevelt, Franklin* (57.67%)
10. Garfield, James* (56.78%)
11. Johnson, Lyndon* (55.81%)
12. La Follette, Robert* (55.73%)
13. Hughes, Charles* (51.64%)
14. Clay, Henry* (49.25%)
15. Eisenhower, Dwight* (46.84%)
16. Birney, James G.* (46.63%)
17. Mondale, Walter* (45.70%)
18. Jefferson, Thomas* (45.29%)
19. King, Rufus* (44.02%)
20. Clinton, DeWitt* (43.82%)
21. Dukakis, Michael* (42.67%)
22. Madison, James* (41.21%)
23. Smith, Al* (40.58%)
24. Humphrey, Hubert* (40.56%)
25. Truman, Harry* (39.87%)
26. Kennedy, John F.* (39.58%)
27. Cooper, Peter* (37.58%)
28. Debs, Eugene* (37.55%)
29. Stevenson, Adlai (37.17%)
30. McKinley, William (36.97%)
31. Clinton, Bill* (36.11%)
32. Ford, Gerald* (35.71%)
33. Smith, Gerrit* (35.19%)
34. Reagan, Ronald (34.94%)
35. McGovern, George* (34.71%)
36. Monroe, James (33.94%)
37. Hayes, Rutherford (33.56%)
38. Weaver, James (33.05%)
39. Nixon, Richard (30.85%)
40. Carter, Jimmy* (29.85%)
41. Bush, George H. W. (28.57%)
42. Willkie, Wendell (27.59%)
43. Coolidge, Calvin (27.48%)
44. Perot, Ross (26.39%)
45. Pinckney, Charles* (26.32%)
46. Cox, James (26.28%)
47. Harrison, William H. (26.07%)
48. Hale, John (25.23%)
49. Goldwater, Barry (24.81%)
50. Taft, William (24.67%)
51. Seymour, Horatio (24.58%)
52. Greeley, Horace (24.55%)
53. Dewey, Thomas (24.16%)
54. Taylor, Zachary (22.22%)
55. Benson, Allan (22.13%)
56. Adams, John* (21.19%)
57. Polk, James K. (20.91%)
58. Jenness, Linda (20.00%)
59. Van Buren, Martin (19.75%)
60. Harding, Warren (19.71%)
61. Wallace, Henry (19.62%)
62. Hoover, Herbert (19.19%)
63. Landon, Alf (18.79%)
64. Tilden, Samuel (17.45%)
65. Jackson, Andrew (17.34%)
66. Bryan, William Jennings (16.77%)
67. McClellan, George (15.83%)
68. Halstead, Fred (15.38%)
69. Thomas, Norman (14.37%)
70. Anderson, John (13.81%)
71. Wright, Margaret (13.64%)
72. Hass, Eric (12.74%)
73. Dobbs, Farrell (12.50%)
74. Burr, Aaron (12.29%)
75. Cass, Lewis (12.04%)
76. Paul, Ron (12.00%)
77. Hallinan, Vincent (11.90%)
78. McCarthy, Eugene (11.69%)
79. Smith, Green (11.41%)
80. Wirt, William (11.32%)
81. Fulani, Lenore (11.11%)
82. Johnson, Sonia (10.60%)
83. Adams, Samuel (10.17%)
84. Gregory, Dick (9.79%)
85. Foster, William (9.70%)
86. Fulani, Lenora (9.33%)
87. Camejo, Peter (8.44%)
88. Fillmore, Millard (8.40%)
89. Clinton, George (7.76%)
90. Spock, Benjamin (7.65%)
91. Reimer, Arthur (7.64%)
92. Hancock, John (7.38%)
93. Black, James (7.27%)
94. Commoner, Barry (7.18%)
95. Hancock, Winfield (6.78%)
96. Jay, John (6.56%)
97. Bell, John (6.06%)
98. Douglas, Stephen (6.06%)
99. Parker, Alton (5.92%)
100. Buchanan, James (5.88%)
101. Wilson, Woodrow (5.82%)
102. Andrews, T. Coleman (5.59%)
103. MacBride, Roger (4.55%)
104. Pierce, Franklin (4.50%)
105. Clark, Ed (4.42%)
106. Christiansen, Parley (4.38%)
107. Teichert, Edward (4.36%)
108. Ellsworth, Oliver (4.24%)
109. Wallace, George (4.20%)
110. Decker, Rutherford (4.17%)
111. Marrou, Andre (3.47%)
112. Browder, Earl (3.40%)
113. Dow, Neal (3.39%)
114. Lemke, William (3.36%)
115. Bergland, David (3.31%)
116. Johns, Frank (3.05%)
117. Harvey, William (3.01%)
118. Fisher, Louis (2.94%)
119. Schmitz, John (2.94%)
120. Blomen, Henning (2.80%)
121. Troup, George M. (2.70%)
122. Hall, Gus (2.69%)
123. Hamblen, Stuart (2.38%)
124. Corregan, Charles (2.37%)
125. Davis, John (2.29%)
126. Breckinridge, John (2.27%)
127. Faubus, Orval (2.08%)
128. Gillhaus, August (1.99%)
129. Richards, Bob (1.99%)
130. Anderson, Thomas (1.95%)
131. O'Conor, Charles (1.82%)
132. Maloney, Joseph (1.82%)
133. Broom, Jacob (1.80%)
134. Crawford, William (1.71%)
135. Hanly, James (1.64%)
136. Upshaw, William (1.50%)
137. Reynolds, Verne (1.48%)
138. Cox, William (1.46%)
139. Watkins, Aaron (1.46%)
140. Babson, Roger (1.38%)
141. Colvin, D. Leigh (1.34%)
142. Duke, David (1.33%)
143. LaRouche, Lyndon (1.32%)
144. Maddox, Lester (1.30%)
145. Thurmond, Strom (1.27%)
146. White, Hugh (0.88%)
147. Rutledge, John (0.82%)
148. Nations, Gilbert (0.76%)
149. Ferguson, James (0.73%)
150. Holtwick, Enoch (0.70%)
151. Gritz, Bo (0.69%)
152. Hisgen, Thomas (0.66%)
153. Serrette, Dennis (0.66%)
154. Chafin, Eugene (0.66%)
155. Watson, Thomas (0.63%)
156. Swallow, Silas (0.59%)
157. Watson, Claude (0.34%)
158. Pinckney, Thomas (0.00%)
159. Harrison, Robert (0.00%)
160. Faris, Herman (0.00%)
161. Varney, William (0.00%)
162. Barker, Wharton (0.00%)
163. Woolley, John (0.00%)

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Plumber

100%, because the electoral maps need to be the same. But I doubt that Clay got us that land. I could see one of the Liberty candidates doing it, maybe they messed up the war and Clay ended it with those gains.

I suppose. Plus we elected Eisenhower and Johnson; both from Texas.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Plumber

No, we don't. We can figure out which Presidents are good and which are bad though, kind of.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Here's a list of the Presidents. Colour them green if they are good, and red if they are bad. Use grey if they are mediocre.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton

[OAM47]

My take on it.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton
______________

[Evan]

1. George Washington (Independent)
2. Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
3. John Quincy Adams (National Republican)
4. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican/Progressive)
...
...
Somewhere Further Down. Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)

[Abhakhazia]

What I think.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton
______________

[elomire678]

And here's mine. It does seem like most of the bad presidents were avoided by the forum, and the ones that were chosen were because the other candidates were worse.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Abhakhazia

??. Franklin D. Roosevelt

??. Gerald Ford

Really? Are you for real?

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Really? Are you for real?

He's a conservative. The New Deal extended the Depression, dontcha know.

I'm more surprised that Washington only merits a "mediocre".

[Turquoise Blue]

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton

Not an unreasonable assessment overall. I think you may be overrating Gerrit Smith and underrating Kennedy, though.

[jpj1421]

I like the positive appraisal of Jefferson. All of the good of his Presidency happened in his first term, which Adams now has absorbed. Leaving Jefferson with one, mediocre, term.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Charles C. Pinckney
5. James Madison
6. Rufus King
7. DeWitt Clinton
8. John Quincy Adams
9/12. Henry Clay
10. Daniel Webster
11. James G. Birney
13. Gerrit Smith
14. Winfield Scott
15. John C. Fremont
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Peter Cooper
20. James A. Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur

??/??/??. Eugene V. Debs
??/??. Theodore Roosevelt
??. Charles Evans Hughes
??. Robert M. La Follette Sr.
??. Burton K. Wheeler
??. Al Smith
??. Franklin D. Roosevelt
??. Harry S. Truman
??. Dwight D. Eisenhower
??. John F. Kennedy
??. Lyndon B. Johnson
??. Hubert Humphrey
??. George McGovern
??. Gerald Ford
??. Jimmy Carter
??. Walter Mondale
??. Michael Dukakis
??. Bill Clinton

I might be a little too forgiving.

[Abhakhazia]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Really? Are you for real?

Of course I'm for real. I'm a pacifistic conservative, why would I love FDR?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Not an unreasonable assessment overall. I think you may be overrating Gerrit Smith and underrating Kennedy, though.

I'm also including personal stances and lives. Gerrit Smith supported female suffrage, so he gets the green, while JFK was absolutely horrible as a person, so he receives the red.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

I'm also including personal stances and lives. Gerrit Smith supported female suffrage, so he gets the green, while JFK was absolutely horrible as a person, so he receives the red.

OK, then why does Bill Clinton get the green?

[Abhakhazia]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

I'm also including personal stances and lives. Gerrit Smith supported female suffrage, so he gets the green, while JFK was absolutely horrible as a person, so he receives the red.

I was trying not to judge personality.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

OK, then why does Bill Clinton get the green?

His relationship with Monica, I admit, was not good, but there is no evidence that Clinton was a serial adulterer. He had only one affair, so he pales in comparison to JFK.