WI U-203 had sank USS Texas

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by hairysamarian

Because, later mythology to the contrary, the Japanese were just as enamored as Americans of battleships as the queens of the fleet. They set out to cripple the USN, and in their minds that meant the BBs.

I guess that makes sense.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Colossus

Another interesting outcome of a "no Pearl Harbor" scenario might be how Japanese-Americans would be treated in this ATL. Remember, Pearl Harbor was seen as a cowardly sneak attack by Japan and that really increased the resentment towards the Japanese at the time.

Also, the US military and civilians were seeing Japanese spies everywhere. Without such intense (and racist) paranoia, could the internment camps be butterflied away?

Eh, one could hope so, but I'm not sure whether racism or paranoia (in view of the cowardly sneak attack) was the ultimate determining factor. I suppose it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but who knows?
I'm seriously asking that.

[Texian]

For your thoughts and consideration,
Some simple photoshops of original WW2 Posters...
If you cant tell I kind like this TL!

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Texian

For your thoughts and consideration,
Some simple photoshops of original WW2 Posters...
If you cant tell I kind like this TL!

These are fucking awesome.

It's not a TL yet.
You should make it!

[usertron2020]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Eh, one could hope so, but I'm not sure whether racism or paranoia (in view of the cowardly sneak attack) was the ultimate determining factor. I suppose it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but who knows?
I'm seriously asking that.

Neither. It was $$$. All that money to be had by rapid seizure of all that Nisei property at bargain basement prices. Fortunes to be had by evil speculators and politicians (but I repeat myself) who were fanning the flames of race hatred to make a financial killing. Including in this list future California governors Pat Brown (1) (Jerry's father!) and Earl Warren (future SCOTUS Chief Justice, who, judging by his history on the court, must have been suffering from a delayed conscience).

The best proof is that the expulsions were taking place long after any "invasion paranoia" had worn off.

1) The only justice the Nisei ever saw against this bastard was his political annihilation in the 1966 gubernatorial election. After humiliating Richard Nixon in 1962, he basically "mailed in" his re-election four years later against a washed up ex-labor leader. Then, three days before election day, he told a press conference, referring to his opponent: "You know, Lincoln was SHOT by an actor!" This. In California. In a state where if asked if they are an actor, every last 6 year old will say: "YES! Are you a producer?"

Paging Governor Ronald Reagan.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by usertron2020

Neither. It was $$$. All that money to be had by rapid seizure of all that Nisei property at bargain basement prices. Fortunes to be had by evil speculators and politicians (but I repeat myself) who were fanning the flames of race hatred to make a financial killing. Including in this list future California governors Pat Brown (1) (Jerry's father!) and Earl Warren (future SCOTUS Chief Justice, who, judging by his history on the court, must have been suffering from a delayed conscience).

The best proof is that the expulsions were taking place long after any "invasion paranoia" had worn off.

Thanks for the explanation.

Paging Governor Ronald Reagan.

No love for Schwarzenegger?

[usertron2020]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Thanks for the explanation.(1)


No love for Schwarzenegger?(2)

1) You're welcome.

2) Politically, is there ANY love left for Ah-nold?

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by usertron2020

1) You're welcome.

2) Politically, is there ANY love left for Ah-nold?

I don't know. Never paid attention to his political career.

[Texian]

U-203 encountered USS Texas on June 19th.

This POD brings a whole new meaning to Juneteenth celebrations!

[Some Bloke]

Just wikid it. Anyone read about the Zoot Suit riots? This could turn very ugly.

[usertron2020]

Originally Posted by Some Bloke

Just wikid it. Anyone read about the Zoot Suit riots? This could turn very ugly.

The Zoot Suit Riots? What do they have to do with this thread? How would the sinking of the Texas affect (and make worse) riots in California and elsewhere? Besides, those riots were nothing compared to the Detroit Race Riots of 1943.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by usertron2020

The Zoot Suit Riots? What do they have to do with this thread? How would the sinking of the Texas affect (and make worse) riots in California and elsewhere? Besides, those riots were nothing compared to the Detroit Race Riots of 1943.

Yeah I'm confused too.