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#221
June 9th, 2012, 10:59 AM
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As in OTL the Norfolk naval yard was captured by the Confederates, but in this TL there were several dozen killed and injured on both sides and the Merrimack is on its way back to Boston from Europe. In OTL the yard was captured without armed conflict and the Merrimack was burnt and sunk by Union forces. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk...ican_Civil_War where there is a link to a wiki article about the Merrimack. pipisme Last edited by pipisme; June 9th, 2012 at 04:12 PM.. 
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#222
June 9th, 2012, 05:38 PM
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The decision by the Virginia state convention to join the Confederacy was ratified in referendum on 7 May 1857 by 103,291 votes to 34,415. On 12 May the Provisional Congress in Montgomery decided to make Richmond, the capital of Virginia, the capital of the Confederacy. But the western counties of Virginia seceded from the state in June and remained in the Union. In 1858 they became the state of West Virginia.
Andrew Johnson, the Governor of Tennessee and though a Democrat a supporter of the Union, called a state convention to meet on 21 April to decide whether to stay in the union or secede. The convention voted by 47 votes to 36 to secede, subject to ratification in a referendum. This took place on 23 May. The vote was 96,438 votes to 50,172 in favour of seceding from the Union and joining the Confederacy. But in June, 31 eastern counties seceded from the state and remained in the Union. In 1858 they became the state of East Tennessee with its capital at Knoxville. The state of East Tennessee still exists now [in 2012] in this TL. Besides Knoxville the other major city in the state is Chattanooga. Arkansas joined the Confederacy on 25 April 1857, followed by North Carolina on 9 May. But in both states there were significant areas of Union support. Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri stayed in the Union, though in all these states except Delaware there were considerable areas of Confederate support.
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#223
June 9th, 2012, 11:51 PM
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The counter-secceding states and the unionist areas in the Confederacy may result in interesting party politics in TTL future.
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#224
June 10th, 2012, 01:47 AM
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Interesting that you see Tennessee as well as Virginia partitioned. Also, whatever happens this means that the south didn't win such an overwhelming victory that it was able to regain those territories. This would be virtually impossible anyway without major foreign intervention. Suspect that, as OTL, the south will lose and be overrun but some butterflies no doubt resulting. Steve
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#225
June 12th, 2012, 12:35 PM
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I knew that in OTL the ruling by the US Supreme Court in the Dred Scott case was in 1857, but I assumed that it was sometime after March. Three or four days ago I read that the ruling was delivered on 6 March 1857. In this TL the decision was the same as in OTL except that it was by a 8-1 rather than by 7-2 in OTL. Here is the wikipedia entry on the Dred Scott decision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford. In this TL another judge was appointed to the Supreme Court instead of Benjamin R. Curtis. Roger B. Taney was the Chief Justice as in OTL. The only dissenting Justice was John McLean.
Coming only two days after William Seward's inauguration as President, there was, and still is, widespread speculation that Chief Justice Taney delayed the decision so as to give Seward, his administration and the Liberty Party the maximum possible embarassment. The decision was praised by the South, and by Democratic supporting newspapers in the North as a just decision by a body of impartial men. It had placed the issue of slavery above politics. The reaction of the Liberty Party was of complete fury and outrage. Here is a selection of newspaper editorials in OTL: http://history.furman.edu/benson/docs/dsmenu.htm. They were basically the same in this TL taking into account the replacement of the Republican Party by the Liberty Party and other political differences from OTL. President Seward condemned the decision as being illegitimate under all canons of morality. His appointment of Frederick Douglass as Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipoteniary to the Court of St. James [in effect American ambassador to Great Britain] had not been confirmed by the Senate. As the Supreme Court had ruled that, like all people of African descent, Douglass was not a citizen of the United States he could not hold public office. Seward said that he would not withdraw his appointment of Douglass. A Supreme Court dominated by slave owners had no right to tell him whom he can or cannot appoint to public office. The composition of the Senate on 4 March 1857 was as follows: Democratic Party: 17 [12 senators from Southern states having withdrawn] Liberty Party: 18 Whig Party: 15 Know Nothing Party: 4. The confirmation of Douglass's appointment would depend on the Whig senators. The vote took place on 18 March. Douglass's appointment was rejected by 30 votes [Democrat 17, Whig 11, Know Nothing 2] to 21 [Liberty 18, Whig 2, Know Nothing 1]. Now Seward would have to appoint a new Minister to London.
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#227
June 13th, 2012, 10:24 AM
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I found this on wiki answers: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_th...ican_Americans. pipisme
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#228
June 13th, 2012, 03:04 PM
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Nasty. Probably somewhat less destructive TTL as the war is starting pretty much as the decision is made, so no real basis for slavers to reclaim 'lost property'. Although could be awkward for the government if someone from one of the border states, which has not yet declared for the confederacy, seeks to do so. Steve
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#229
June 14th, 2012, 05:48 PM
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His appointment of Frederick Douglass as Minister at the American legation in London having been rejected by the Senate, President Seward appointed the diplomat and historian, John Lothrop Motley, to the London post.
Confederate President Robert Toombs appointed Jefferson Davis as Confederate Commissioner in Britain. From 1856 Sir James Hudson was the Minister at the British Legation in Washington. From 1838-1845 he had served as Secretary at that legation, and subsequently in diplomatic posts in Brazil - where he was active in suppressing the slave trade - the Netherlands and Tuscany.
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#230
June 17th, 2012, 03:19 PM
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Further to my previous post, here is the entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography for Sir James Hudson: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/14032. In this TL his career was the same as in OTL except that he continued in office as British minister in Rio de Janiero until October 1852 when he was appointed to the Florence legation. He stayed there until June 1856 when he was transferred to Washington. He was liberal minded in his political opinions.
In this TL I will not go into what to me are mind numbingly boring details about the campaigns and battles of the American Civil War. I will give the basic facts such as there was a battle in such and such a place which was won by the Union or the Confederacy, or was a draw. However I intend to describe in fair amount of detail the relationship of Great Britain with the United States and also with the Confederate States. I am now introducing a new fictional character. Her name is Hannah Shaw. She lives in Greenborough, North Carolina, and is a member of the Religious Society of Friends [or Quakers]. She is married to Elias Shaw, also a Quaker, who is a teacher at the New Garden Boarding School, a Quaker school in Greenborough. Hannah was born in September 1813, her husband in 1810. They were married in June 1834. They have five children ranging in ages [in April 1857] from 21 to 5. On 1 January 1857 Hannah started writing a diary. Sometime in the future this was published as a book. [1] Here is a photo of the school and its staff in 1886: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fhcarchives/5436563980.
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#232
June 18th, 2012, 09:44 AM
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#233
June 20th, 2012, 11:53 AM
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In March 1854 Sir Charles Augustus FitzRoy was appointed governor-general of the Province of Canada. He had served as lieutenant-governor of Prince Edward Island from 1837-1841, and after a similar position in the Leeward Islands, was appointed governor of New South Wales in 1845. In 1850 he became the first governor-general of Australia. He had acquired a wll-deserved reputation as a sound and conciliatory administrator. [1]
The American Civil War had repercussions in Canada, and FitzRoy was governor-general during the first ten months of the conflict. However he died on 16 February 1858 at the relatively early age of 61. As he did in OTL. Although his governor-generalship is regarded by historians as being significant in Canadian history, it was overshadowed by that of his successor. [I do not know who that will be]. Here is a rudimentary list of some of the generals on both sides at the start of the American Civil War in 1857: Union generals Winfield Scott: commanding general of the Army. George McClellan Irwin McDowell: commander of the Army of the Potamac John E. Wool. Confederate generals Pierre Beauregard Samuel Cooper Robert E. Lee: commander of the Confederate army in Texas. From 1855 he served as an officer of the United States army in Texas. In early 1857 he was opposed to the Confederate States seceeding from the Union, but when his home state of Virginia seceeded he resigned from his position as a colonel in the US army in early April, and was appointed a lieutenant-general in the Confederate army, though he wore the insignia of a colonel. In OTL and this TL George Washington Parke Custis, Lee's father-in-law, died on 10 October 1857, and Lee had to execute his will which included Arlington Plantation in Virginia. In OTL that was when he moved from Texas to Virginia. In this TL I don't want him to be in Virginia in April 1857 just for the sake of being there. [1] Here is FitzRoy's entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/9632. In this TL his life and career were the same as in OTL up to March 1854, except that he became governor-general of Australia in 1850 and not 1851.
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#234
June 22nd, 2012, 11:02 AM
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From the introduction to the book The Diary of Hannah Shaw: A Quaker Woman in the Civil War edited by Emily Louise Calton, Philadelphia: Inner Light Publishers, 2007. [1]
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#235
June 28th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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On 21 and 22 April 1857 the cabinet headed by Sir George Grey met to discuss its attitude towards the American blockade and the civil war in America. They agreed to accept the legality of the blockade which would require a declaration of neutrality. This was announced in the House of Commons on 1 May by Austen Henry Layard, the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and in the House of Lords by Earl Granville, the Foreign Secretary. The Queen's Proclamation of Neutrality was printed in the The Times on the same day.
In the cabinet discussions Benjamin Disraeli, the Secretary of State for India, and Henry Labouchere, the Secretary of State for War, argued passionately for a British declaration of support for the Union. [1] From the opposing position Sir George Cornewall Lewis, the Home Secretary, asked: "The South fight for independence; what do the North fight for, except to gratify passion and pride." [2] [1] In OTL Quote:
[2] Lewis spoke these words sometime during the cabinet discussions on 4 and 5 May 1861 in OTL. They are taken from the book A World on Fire: An Epic History of Two Nations Divided by Amanda Foreman.
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#236
June 30th, 2012, 05:44 PM
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Outside the cabinet William Lovett, the President of the Poor Law Board, was also a passionate supporter of the North in the American Civil War.
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[2] I'm assume that a middle-class liberal like Disraeli would refer to her as a Negress.
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#237
July 3rd, 2012, 11:23 AM
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From the diary of Hannah Shaw for 6 July 1857:
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The slogan in Northern newspapers was 'Forward to Richmond'.
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#238
July 6th, 2012, 12:32 PM
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After its victory at Manassas/Bull Run the Union army under the command of General McDowell moved south, but its advance was slow against determined opposition from the Confederate army under the command of General Beauregard. The bitterly fought battle of Fredericksburg on 26-28 August 1857 was a Union victory but at the cost of several thousand dead and wounded on each side.
The Union advance was temporarily halted at the battle of North Anna River on 17 October 1857, but the subsequent Confederate advance north was stopped at Bowling Green on 3 November. The Union army resumed its push southwards and by 21 December was five miles from Richmond and the Confederate defensive trenches.
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#239
July 8th, 2012, 03:18 PM
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The Union siege of Richmond lasted through the winter of 1857/58, until its capture on 26 March. Confederate President and his cabinet had already left the city and were travelling south to Charleston, South Carolina, which became the new capital of the Confederacy.
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#240
July 8th, 2012, 04:19 PM
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Sounds like the war is going to be distinctly shorter TTL. I don't know how much else of Virginia has been lost but it contained a hell of a lot of the south's industry. Not to mention the moral hit. Steve
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