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Old April 29th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Snake Featherston Snake Featherston is offline
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OK, here's where I call bullshit:

Parsons: And how was the "November Report" a part of that?

George: Well, in the course of their catching all those Soviet rats, the Brits unearthed quite a bit of information about the rats we still had in our house. Specifically, those that riddled the Roosevelt White House and also among the Democrats in Congress. You see, out of necessity, the Brits had developed a very intense understanding of US politics. They learned this in order to not make any misstep in their efforts to get us into the war on their side. So, when they learned how many Soviet spies, Soviet sympathizers, and Soviet dupes were operating amongst the Democrats they realized that if they shared that information with the Roosevelt administration it might get denied and covered up. So, they choose to spread that info around.

Parsons: And that's how Joseph Martin got a hold of it?

George: That caused a real explosion when FDR learned of it. Things got more than a bit hot between Roosevelt and Churchill after that. And it was only after Pearl that the two started talking to each other once again. The Brits got what they wanted though. Martin was smart enough to realize he had a powerful political weapon in his hands. Had the Japanese not attacked Pearl when they did, Martin probably would've used that info to shatter Roosevelt and the Democrats in the 1942 Mid-Term elections. As it was, he used it to wring some huge concessions from FDR and McCormack. It also led to some major house cleaning at the White House. The Soviets lost all their contacts, their spies, and their friends they'd worked so hard to insert in the Roosevelt Administration. The purge within the Democratic Party continued well into mid-42 and even enabled Dies to nail the "fellow travelers" the Soviets had on his committee. Hoover had a field-day with that information and began rolling up one Soviet spy network after another. The FBI was already in the process of that - it's how we got that original information about the Soviet spies in Britain's MI6 after all - but this really helped hone the FBI's efforts.

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1) The USA's not going to accept this from the British of all people. Anglophobia in the 1940s USA had some powerful currencies, particularly among the elite.

2) The US Right will believe that Soviet spies were involved with HUAC when Hell freezes over.

3) This kind of blackmail is the kind of politics designed to cause a permanent rupture between the USA and UK, as this is gangsterism in political form. It's "Give us what we want or we break you" and no self-respecting state will take that from Churchill any more than Hitler.

4) The Commie spies in the USA are going to see a jail cell for the rest of their lives but this doesn't change the first three any at all. It in fact guarantees the USA's going to sit out WWII aside from Japan. Lend-Lease is dead for the British on the part of FDR, who has no interests saving Churchill, when the latter deliberately tried to wreck his Administration. While the USA *will* fight Japan, it will sit out European WWII altogether, leaving the UK with the necessity for an Overlord of its own but without the USA providing it with all the weapons, ships, trucks, and so on that it did.
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