WI Richard the Lionheart or John Lackland marries Douce II of Provence

[kasumigenx]

I know that Douce II of Provence died when she was a Child but what if she survives and either marries John Lackland or Richard the Lionheart as King of England, would this result in an Angevin Occitania or Philippe Augustus will try to stop them from trying to claim Provence or can they claim Provence from the crown of Aragon in the first place?

[stateless_englishman]

If the rumours about Richard I are true (which I am doubtful of) then her marrying him changes little. Either way, the marriage probably doesn't butterfly his involvement in the Crusades, so he would spend much of their marriage away, and not producing heirs. Then again, it's not impossible that whatever issue Richard had with Berengaria of Navarre that kept him from staying with her during their marriage isn't an issue he has with Douce II of Provence, so it's not impossible they have a more successful marriage, and he produces an heir.

I don't see much difference to OTL arising from her marrying John, either. If John really wants a war, then he can try and press his wife's claim to Provence, but that seems pretty suicidal. Obviously the pair will have different children to those born in our timeline, but it's difficult to see how different they might be in this timeline. I don't foresee an Angevin Occitania arising as a result.

[Wolf Tengu]

My memory is no good (it's been awhile), but wasn't that war in...120...2? Down to John not compensating that one fellow or whatnot over Isabelle of Angouleme?

Well, probably a ton of other stuff too, but I can't remember much of that. Bunch of people supporting Arthur's claim?

If that is true (Which I doubt, my memory is poor) then wouldn't marrying this person change that at all?