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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:53 AM
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while Sweden-Norway was a union of crowns, much like England and Scotland (but I think less integrated).
England and Scotland have'nt been a Union of Crowns in over 200 years..

Sweden-Norway should be shown with Norway shown as a Dominion of Sweden, as legally Norway was a seperate, independent country, with only the King and Foreign Affairs being shared.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:13 AM
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I left French color on Senegal because they definitely had a presence on some of the coast.
Actually that needs to be further in land; they held French Sudan (contemporary Mali) as early as 1881 or so. The real conquest of Senegal and West Africa in general began in the 1850s with the French victories over the Waalo and Toucouleur.

This shows the region in 1853. By '85 most of that is under French control.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:24 AM
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Bulgaria was unified in 1885 by war it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Bulgarian_War
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:08 AM
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Bulgaria was unified in 1885 by war it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Bulgarian_War
It was the other way around actually, Serbia declared war on Bulgaria after East Rumelia and the Principality of Bulgaria merged/unified.

Also, it depends on the date of the map, while some have been going by Jan 1st of the year, other go by other dates, for instance I set the maps near the end of their respective years, so one map of 1885 may show East Rumelia and Bulgaria as seperate while another shows them as one state and both could be right.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:28 AM
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It was the other way around actually, Serbia declared war on Bulgaria after East Rumelia and the Principality of Bulgaria merged/unified.

Also, it depends on the date of the map, while some have been going by Jan 1st of the year, other go by other dates, for instance I set the maps near the end of their respective years, so one map of 1885 may show East Rumelia and Bulgaria as seperate while another shows them as one state and both could be right.
Maybe maps should have the dates on the top left corner? Like those medieval ones that have 'OTL-1200' there so as to avoid confusion?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:37 AM
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Maybe maps should have the dates on the top left corner? Like those medieval ones that have 'OTL-1200' there so as to avoid confusion?
This sounds like a good idea.

But I think we should focus on getting the primarily important dates done first, such as border-altering peace treaties and such.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:48 AM
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As an aside, I've been working on my own version of 1885 (though LSC was on the money in North Africa, so I borrowed his) and so far I've finished North America, Europe, half of Oceania and parts of South America (mostly just need to copy-paste and it will be done), Africa and Asia.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 10:49 AM
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As an aside, I've been working on my own version of 1885 (though LSC was on the money in North Africa, so I borrowed his) and so far I've finished North America, Europe, half of Oceania and parts of South America (mostly just need to copy-paste and it will be done), Africa and Asia.
Okay, i made this for Western Africa, without the arabo-african states. I've doubt about Liberia, maybe should be claims instead?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 12:03 PM
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Okay, i made this for Western Africa, without the arabo-african states. I've doubt about Liberia, maybe should be claims instead?
Sokoto and the other West African states really shoul be shown, especially since the West African states have histortically been among the most state-like of Africa's histroica states.

As for Liberia, well I don't know really, while it was comprised of pretty much just the coast for several decades after independence, I think it was about this time it had actually expanded and taken atleast tentative control of more area (which is part of waht ultimately lead to France and Britain establishing fixed, official borders around it).
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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:54 PM
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Why has Egypt had its borders changed? I've looked around the net for maps from the period and none of them show the borders that you guys have put on British Egypt.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 03:08 PM
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Sokoto and the other West African states really shoul be shown, especially since the West African states have histortically been among the most state-like of Africa's histroica states.
I'm working on it, i put that now, for controlling the european lands in western africa.[/QUOTE]
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Old July 24th, 2011, 03:16 PM
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Why has Egypt had its borders changed? I've looked around the net for maps from the period and none of them show the borders that you guys have put on British Egypt.
I'm basing on the Britannica Atlas for 1885
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:24 PM
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I'm basing on the Britannica Atlas for 1885
Most other sources have the old border.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:48 PM
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...I'm working on Africa in 1885 right now, but i need some informations about english colonies statutes, in South Africa, in Arabia and Egypt (Nubia, English Sudan...
...Sigh... Can someone point out what's wrong here?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:36 PM
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...Sigh... Can someone point out what's wrong here?
You probably know that it would be easier to fix it if you just say it?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 09:16 PM
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...Sigh... Can someone point out what's wrong here?
The first 'english' should be capitalized?

EDIT: Oh, get what you mean. I suppose you're referring to the fact that should be British, not English. Of course, since most people in continental Europe still call Britain 'England' anyway, that mistake is not very strange.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:47 AM
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Yeah, the projections are really hard to translate.

Looking at it I think the Northern border is actualy further East though, like the below;
I think the one I drew is more accurate (also improved the eastern border, btw). The trick seems to be to continue the line further north and see where it ends up if it curves nicely. Yours would dissect King William island rather than pass west of it. Here's the border without overlay:

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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:49 AM
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1925 again.

Here’s a curious footnote from history: the Republic of the Rif, a 1920s rebel state in Spanish Morocco.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif_Republic

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Old July 25th, 2011, 02:00 AM
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Africa sort of improved in that i wiped out most colonies. I took a crack at the Mahdist Rebellion and included the Pink Map claims. I think I have the mentioned bits of the Pacific right. Reintroduced Hong Kong and Macau. Gave Morocco Rio de Oro, though that's probably wrong. I left French color on Senegal because they definitely had a presence on some of the coast.
Africais still a mess though.
Interesting to see the Pink Map.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 06:52 AM
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I'm working on it, i put that now, for controlling the european lands in western africa.
Ahk, cool.
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