That is So Cliched

[Eurofed]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

#48 In every universe that diverges from OTL after 1945, people will try to game WWII to have a victorious Third Reich and usually destroy the USSR in the bargain, and will bitch endlessly, world without end, when people raise objections to their scenario.

Actually this is a manifestation of a more general law:

#48a: Cliche Magnetism Law: the degree of irrational fanboy attachment people feel towards the integrity of their TL is directly proportional to the cliche popularity of the wank the TL represents.

#48b: Wank Magnetism Corollary: Any scenario that fulfills law #48a is sure to attact one or more fans of the opposite wank that shall proceed to tear down the TL savagely with the same degree of irrational fanboy attachment.

[MNP]

Blech, as TVTropes so helpfully points out, tropes (and they equate them with cliches here) are neither bad nor good.

[Sigma7]

Originally Posted by Major Major

#42 Gnosticism produces a more equitable, non-sexist, non-racist, ecological, multicultural, loving, harmonious, accepting society.

Replace Gnosticism in that statement with socialism and we've got another cliche!

An ironic one in that the existing socialist movements, states, etc...haven't produced any of that yet in the real world, but to read a Socialistwank, all that's neccessary for total global utopia, apparently, is total conversion to state run everything.

AH Socialism: It's The Cure For ALL Of Humanities Ills, Dammit!

[Alex Richards]

#49: Communism and Facism are always present, even if their causes aren't.

[randomideaguy]

Bumping this every time I see the word cliche.

[FDW]

Originally Posted by Benkarnell

You just beat me. I recall someone (A.A.Pasha, maybe) saying something like, "If there is slightly more sunshine on April 5, Greece will get Istanbul and the Aegean."

Can I add:

38. Stunning revivals of long-dead empires. The Second Byzantine Empire, the New Roman Republic, the New Sultanate of Rum, the Fourth Reich, the 33rd Pharaonic Dynasty. Revivals happen (yes, there was an attempt at a Roman Republic, which even had a Third Triumvirate), but they sure don't happen often.



I hate to question you, but... are there really that many "Southern California transportation" TLs?

I WILL MAKE #33 TRUE, EVEN IF IT KILLS ME!!!!!

[Dilvish]

#49. The United States and Japan will get into a war sometime in the mid-1940's. Japan will be conquered and almost destroyed as a nation in this war.

#49a. If the USA doesn't fulfill #49, then it is because the British Empire has defeated Japan first.

#50. It is impossible for Great Britain and/or the British Empire to do worse in World War II than they did historically.

#51. Melvin's racist USA threads.

#52. Italy is the buffoon nation of World War II.

[Dilvish]

Originally Posted by General Mung Beans

Your hypocraisy of considering the CSA "as evil fascists" but the Hawaiian and PR secessionists as "good" is only possible through doublethink. Please note the majority of Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans don't want secession. And if they do secede I'll be joining the 2nd Army on the march to Honolulu or San Juan.

Where is the 2nd Army located that it can march on either Honolulu or San Juan?

[Grey Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dilvish

Where is the 2nd Army located that it can march on either Honolulu or San Juan?

Mexico ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[CobiWann]

#53. There will always been an England.

Meteors, floods, Catholics, the Luftwaffe, Classicism, LibDems...no matter what your TL is, no matter how bleak or utopian, England always endures.

[randomideaguy]

Originally Posted by CobiWann

#53. There will always been an England.

Meteors, floods, Catholics, the Luftwaffe, Classicism, LibDems...no matter what your TL is, no matter how bleak or utopian, England always endures.

But it's England man. We have to make it

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by CobiWann

#53. There will always been an England.

Meteors, floods, Catholics, the Luftwaffe, Classicism, LibDems...no matter what your TL is, no matter how bleak or utopian, England always endures.

well as Michael Flanders said in response to that: There will always be a North Pole, unless some dangerous bloke with a hairdryer melts it.

[Dilvish]

Originally Posted by Whanztastic

Apparently OTL is cliched, because a Nicaragua Canal is in the works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicarag...nal#References

Another just general thread cliche - citing wikipedia as a definitive source.

I think it has also been shown that OTL is ASB.

[Sigma7]

54: Great Britain simply could not be defeated by anyone, especially the United States, in an armed conflict, prior to the invention of the A-Bomb.

And even then, there's people who'll argue against it.

On AH boards, The British Empire's The Black Knight of Monty Python and The Holy Grail; it get's dismembered completely "BUT IT'S ONLY A FLESH WOUND!"

[DValdron]

Originally Posted by FallenMorgan

The Confederacy being an ebil fascist nation.

To be absolutely fair, the Confederacy, whatever else you might say about it, was about keeping a large portion of its human population in a state of legal subhuman bondage. That's sort of hard to get around, and by our modern sensibilities, that is indeed 'ebil fascist.' Hell, by the sensibilities of many of that era, including most European and man Latin American nations, that was 'ebil fascist.' It's sort of like protesting that the Khmer Rouge are unjustly maligned for being crazy and genocidal.

[Jake Vektor]

Originally Posted by DValdron

To be absolutely fair, the Confederacy, whatever else you might say about it, was about keeping a large portion of its human population in a state of legal subhuman bondage. That's sort of hard to get around, and by our modern sensibilities, that is indeed 'ebil fascist.' Hell, by the sensibilities of many of that era, including most European and man Latin American nations, that was 'ebil fascist.' It's sort of like protesting that the Khmer Rouge are unjustly maligned for being crazy and genocidal.

Yeah, but it's not like slavery would go on indefinitely.
First issue would be cotton trade. About five minutes after helping the CSA gain their independence, the British would remember they have Egypt and India, and the cotton trade would take a massive blow. Then the boll weevil would come along in the 1890s to finish the job. Whatever would happen, I wager that slavery would die out within five decades of the CSA's independence. Of course, it may take a while for blacks to find their way into the mainstream of Confederate society, but I have a feeling it would be sooner than OTL's Civil Rights Act of 1964. Without the heavy-handed attempts by the North to impose racial equality, Southern citizens would not associate blacks with Northern oppression, and racism would not take hold as strongly as OTL.
I actually started a TL that portrayed the CSA in a positive light. http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=146350. Unfortunately, it went horribly wrong and ended up turning into a full-fledged CSA-wank. After enduring a lot of flak and running out of ideas, I threw my hands up in frustration and discontinued the TL. So much for portraying the CSA as the good guy.

[Alex_Reznikow]

55. It can be Chinese Navy, British Navy, Prussian Navy, Kalmar Union Fleet or Hy-Brazil Airship Fleet;

British Hawaii, Japanese Hawaii, Dutch Hawaii, Persian Hawaii or Roman Imperial Hawaii;

1942, 1944, 1937, 1935 or 1943;

but there is always be attack on Pearl Harbor!