Alternate Monarchs

[TheNordicBrit]

This thread is for you to post a simple list of different monarchs you have in a TL or think would be interesting for a TL (not a family tree, not like Doctor What's thread.)

What I ask for you to do is to put the first monarch on the list as the one in OTL so people know where you are, and from there you can put the alternates down. Try and put any footnotes as well to give any other information, for example in OTL the British Royal Family would be like this on a list at one point:

1. Queen Anne I* (1702 - 1714) - House of Stuart
2. King George I** (1714 - 1727) - House of Hanover
3. King George II** (1727 - 1760) - House of Hanover
4. King George III*** (1760 - 1820) - House of Hanover

*England and Scotland united during Annes reign
**Also the Elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg, Duke of Bremen and Prince of Verden and the Duke of Saxe-Lauenburg
***Became King of Hanover in 1814

The italics here represent the original monarch before your line of monarchs, obviously the footnotes are notes on monarchs and in the brackets afterwards are the years of reign. If you want you could include the house (as I've done here in bold.)

You can make the lists as small as you like, and can add or change them as you go along if you wish. I'll post mine after a bit if a few people reply to this

[DrakeRlugia]

Here are a couple from my TL, in my sig. These lists aren't complete, but generally go up to how far I've written, maybe a monarch or two after that...

Spain (Includes Portugal):
1. Isabella I & Ferdinand V (1479 - 1504) House of Trastámara*
2. Isabella II & Manuel I (1504 - 1521) House of Aviz**
3. Isabella II & Miguel I (1521 - 1527; Miguel alone from 1527 - 1549) House of Aviz-Trastámara***
4. John III (1549 -) House of Aviz-Trastámara
*Ferdinand would reign alone in Aragon until his death in 1516
**They inherited Aragon in 1516
***Miguel would reign in Castile and Aragon with his mother as co-ruler until her death in 1527

Ordinals may seem odd, but Spanish monarchs took their ordinals from the Castilian monarchs. John III is also the third John of Portugal, oddly enough.

England:
1. Henry VII (1483 - 1509) House of Tudor
2. Henry VIII (1509 - 1547) House of Tudor
3. Edward VI (1547 - 1553) House of Tudor
4. Elizabeth (1553 -) House of Tudor*
*Quite different from OTL's Elizabeth Tudor...

Catholic Claimants to the Throne of England
1. Mary I & Francis I/II of France (1553 - 1559)* House of Tudor & House of Valois
2. Henry IX, Duke of Orléans (1559 -)** House of Valois
*Mary Tudor (Or Bloody Mary), was married to the Dauphin of France in the 1530s. She claims the throne on the death of her brother, citing the illegitimacy of Elizabeth. Elizabeth will face a rising in both Norfolk and the Catholic north not long after becoming Queen...
**Mary and François' second son; his father declares him rightful King of England not long after his mothers death, who named him her heir to England in her will.
***For the Catholic claimants, I use their (claimed) ordinals in England. Hence François II of France is Francis I of England, the Duke of Orléans claims to be Henry IX, ect... sorry if it's confusing.

France:
1. Charles VIII (1483 - 1498) House of Valois
2. Louis XII (1498 - 1515) House of Valois
3. François Ier (1515 - 1547) House of Valois
4. François II (1547 - 1564) House of Valois*
5. François III (1564 -) House of Valois
*Also claims to be King of England by-right of his wife, Mary Tudor

I also have the Habsburgs, but they're mostly OTL, sans a surviving Philip... I may post them up later. I also have plans for other dynasties, especially the Polish Jagiellons.

[Theodoric]

German Empire
Wilhelm I (1871-1888)
Frederick III (1888-1920)
Heinrich I* (1920-1928)
Sigismund (1928-1952)
Heinrich II (1952-1963)
Wilhelm II (1963-1993)
Friedrich Wilhelm V (1993-ongoing)
* also Archduke of Austria, throne combined

Kingdom of the Netherlands
Willem II (1840-1849)
Willem III* (1849-1886)
Willem IV (1886-1901)
Maurits (1901-1914**)
Wilhelmina^ (1914-1960)
That's as far as I had this one, at least.

*Actually Willem Alexander, younger brother of OTL Willem III.
**Guess why.
^Both very much like and unlike OTL Wilhelmina. Her Mother (house yet to be determined) was regent untill 1926.

[TheNordicBrit]

This is my own one from a little TL I'm working on at the moment (more will be added as I make more ideas) :

Kingdom of England and Ireland
Elizabeth I* (1558-1601) - House of Tudor
Henry IX** (1601-1627) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick I** (1627-1673) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Mary II** (1673-1675) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick II*** (1675-1736) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor

*Queen Consort of Denmark-Norway
**Monarchs of both England and Denmark-Norway
***Denmark-Norway and England unite in a political union

Kingdom of Scotland
James VI (1567-1625) - House of Stewart
Henry I (1625-1626) - House of Stewart
Anna I* (1626-1641) - House of Stewart
Gustav I** (1641-1672) - House of Stewart-Vasa

*Queen Consort of Sweden
**Monarch of both Scotland and Sweden

[DrakeRlugia]

Originally Posted by TheNordicBrit

This is my own one from a little TL I'm working on at the moment (more will be added as I make more ideas) :

Kingdom of England and Ireland
Elizabeth I* (1558-1601) - House of Tudor
Henry IX** (1601-1627) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick I** (1627-1673) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Mary II** (1673-1675) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick II*** (1675-1736) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor

*Queen Consort of Denmark-Norway
**Monarchs of both England and Denmark-Norway
***Denmark-Norway and England unite in a political union

Kingdom of Scotland
James VI (1567-1625) - House of Stewart
Henry I (1625-1626) - House of Stewart
Anna I* (1626-1641) - House of Stewart
Gustav I** (1641-1672) - House of Stewart-Vasa

*Queen Consort of Sweden
**Monarch of both Scotland and Sweden

Yay for Elizabeth marrying! I intend for a marriage for Elizabeth in my TL as well, but I didn't want to give away the surprise... Of course, the Elizabeth of my TL is quite different from the OTL one... she was born in 1535, for one. The only thing they really share is a name, I suppose.

[ImperialVienna]

Originally Posted by TheNordicBrit

This is my own one from a little TL I'm working on at the moment (more will be added as I make more ideas) :

Kingdom of England and Ireland
Elizabeth I* (1558-1601) - House of Tudor
Henry IX** (1601-1627) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick I** (1627-1673) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Mary II** (1673-1675) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor
Frederick II*** (1675-1736) - House of Oldenburg-Tudor

*Queen Consort of Denmark-Norway
**Monarchs of both England and Denmark-Norway
***Denmark-Norway and England unite in a political union

Kingdom of Scotland
James VI (1567-1625) - House of Stewart
Henry I (1625-1626) - House of Stewart
Anna I* (1626-1641) - House of Stewart
Gustav I** (1641-1672) - House of Stewart-Vasa

*Queen Consort of Sweden
**Monarch of both Scotland and Sweden

Shouldn't it be Tudor-Oldenburg, since the House of Tudor is the one that is becoming extincted?

[TheNordicBrit]

Originally Posted by DrakeRlugia

Yay for Elizabeth marrying! I intend for a marriage for Elizabeth in my TL as well, but I didn't want to give away the surprise... Of course, the Elizabeth of my TL is quite different from the OTL one... she was born in 1535, for one. The only thing they really share is a name, I suppose.

I'm interested in why your Elizabeth was born earlier than in OTL.
And yeah, read this thread for information on the concept of Elizabeth marrying.

Originally Posted by ImperialVienna

Shouldn't it be Tudor-Oldenburg, since the House of Tudor is the one that is becoming extincted?

Thank you for this information, I didn't know there was a specific way round they went.

[DrakeRlugia]

Originally Posted by TheNordicBrit

I'm interested in why your Elizabeth was born earlier than in OTL.
And yeah, read this thread for information on the concept of Elizabeth marrying.

Well, born later actually. Mostly due to butterflies. Anne Boleyn suffers two miscarriages before finally giving birth to Elizabeth and then finding herself executed not long after. With a PoD in the 1490s, the ripple across Europe is starting to effect a variety of royal houses -- mostly because it'd be bland for everything to repeat it's self. There's also a surviving Sforza dynasty in Milan and perhaps a different fate for the Scottish Stewarts, too.

[ImperialVienna]

Various Monarchs of All Hail Germania:

Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation
Maximilian I (1493 - 1519) - House of Habsburg
Franz I* (1519 - 1520) - House of Valois
Philip I (1520 -1530) - House of Habsburg
Karl V** (1530 - 1556) - House of Habsburg
Philip II (1556 - 1598) - House of Habsburg
Philip III (1598 - 1621) - House of Habsburg
Philip IV (1621 - 1638) - House of Habsburg
Balthazar I (1638 - 1710) - House of Habsburg

* Contested by Philip I
** Imperial Crown Becomes Hereditary

Kingdom of France
Henri III (1574 - 1589) - House of Valois
Charles X* (1589 - 1640) - House of Guise
Henri IV (1640 - 1664) - House of Guise
Joseph I (1664 - 1702) - House of Guise
Joseph II (1702 -17??) - House of Guise

* Contested by Henry III of Navarre

Iberian Union
Felipe I* (1506 -1530) - House of Habsburg
Carlos I** (1530 - 1556) - House of Habsburg
Fernando VI (1556 - 1564) - House of Habsburg
Juan III (1564 -1576) - House of Habsburg
Fernando VII*** (1576 - 1612) - House of Habsburg
Carlos II (1612 - 1637) - House of Habsburg
Fernando VIII (1637 - 1658) - House of Habsburg
Próspero I (1658 - 1705) - House of Habsburg

* King of Castile with Juana I
** King of Aragon & Castile
*** King of Aragon, Castile, and Portugal, declared Emperor of All Hispana

Kingdom of England
Edward VI (1547 - 1602) - House of Tudor
Edward VII (1602 - 1605) - House of Tudor
Eric I (1605 - 1625) - House of Tudor
Eric II (1625 - 1650) - House of Tudor
Eric III (1650 - 1666) - House of Tudor
Eric IV (1666 - 1700) - House of Tudor
Fredrick I (1700 - 1720) - House of Tudor

[TheNordicBrit]

Originally Posted by ImperialVienna

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Interesting, I take it the POD is that King Edward VI is a healthy kid and marries, but why is it that after Edward VII the names become un-english?

[TheNordicBrit]

Just a little add on I made

[DrakeRlugia]

That's really cool, Nordicbrit! I've always wanted to make something like that. I think I'll take the chance to post a few other monarchs, as well. These are all from the Prince of Peace TL, again.

The Duchy of Milan
Gian Galeazzo (1476 - 1494) House of Sforza
Ludovico (1494 - 1500) House of Sforza
Louis XII, King of France (1500 - 1513) House of Valois
Francesco II (1513 - 1515)* House of Sforza
François Ier, King of France (1515 - 1520) House of Valois
Francesco II (Restored, 1520 - 1523) House of Sforza
François Ier, King of France (1523 - 1525) House of Valois
Francesco II (Restored, 1525 - 1541) House of Sforza
Filippo (1541 -) House of Sforza
*Il Duchetto, he died OTL falling from a horse in Angoulême. He is restored to the Duchy of Milan by the Swiss over Ludovico's heirs, as he is the most senior member of the Sforza dynasty.

The Holy Roman Empire
Frederick III (1452 - 1493) House of Habsburg
Maximilian I (1493 - 1519) House of Habsburg
Philip II der Schöne* (1519 - 1536) House of Habsburg
Charles V (1536 - 1554) House of Habsburg
Frederick IV (1554 -) House of Habsburg
*Died of Cholera in Spain, IOTL. He never becomes King of Spain w/ Joanna in this TL.

The Austrian Archduchy (In Personal Union with Bohemia and Croatia)
Maximilian I (1493 - 1519)* House of Habsburg
Philip I (1519 - 1536)** House of Habsburg
Ferdinand I (1536 - 1565)*** House of Habsburg
Maximilian II (1565 -)**** House of Habsburg
*Inherited Tyrol from Sigismund, uniting the Habsburg domains in the Eastern March for the first time in ages.
**Made Brussels his capital; he was represented in Austria by his second son Ferdinand and named him heir to those domains.
***Crowned King of Bohemia in 1526, King of Croatia in 1527. Claimed the Kingdom of Hungary for himself and his descendents from 1526, although rule was restricted to so-called 'Royal Hungary'
****Also King of Bohemia, Croatia, and Hungary.

[Lord Grattan]

Popes (After 1829):
Pius VIII (Francesco Castiglioni) 1829-30
Clement XV (Giacomo Guistinani) 1830-47
Leo XIII (Luigi Lambruschini) 1847-56
Paschal III (Filippo de Angelis) 1856-77
Innocent XIV (Carlo Sacconi) 1877-80
Paul VI (Luigi Maria Bilio) 1880-87
Leo XIV (Pietro Celesia) 1887-1901
Pius IX (Angelo Vannutelli) 1901-15
Clement XVI (Eugenio Serafini) 1915-28
Benedict XV (Umberto Martineli) 1928-44
Pius X (Antonio Vincenzo Gotti) 1944-51
Gregory XVI (Vittorio Siri) 1951-83
Leo XV (Giovanni Esposito) 1983-92
Paul VII* (Štefan Haynald) 1992-94
Innocent XV** (Dietrich Meisner) 1994-

*= Hungarian, 1st non-Italian elected pontiff in 4 centuries
**=German

At some point in the 20th Century (I don't know when yet) what remains of the Papal States will cease to exist; all but the Leonine City will be absorbed into the Kingdom of Italy.

[ImperialVienna]

Originally Posted by TheNordicBrit

Interesting, I take it the POD is that King Edward VI is a healthy kid and marries, but why is it that after Edward VII the names become un-english?

The PoD is Maximilian I defends his marriage to Anne of Brittany. But yes Edward VI does survive as an effect and goes on to marry Katherina Vasa. The names after Edward VII aren't "English" because... Edward VII is Edward VI's grandson whose father, Henry Prince of Wales, is killed in the final years of Wars of French Religion/Succession. Edward VII dies shortly after his ascension to the throne, under mysterious circumstances. He is succeed be his Machiavellian Uncle Eric, named for Katherina's brother Erik XIV of Sweden. England becomes closely associated with Sweden and eventually Denmark (Fredrick's grandfather is the Danish King).

[Douglas]

Second Empire
Napoleon III: 1852-1873

Third Empire
Napoleon IV: 1879-1914 (abdicated)
Napoleon V: 1914-1922 (abdicated)

[Lord Grattan]

Originally Posted by Douglas

Second Empire
Napoleon III: 1852-1873

Third Empire
Napoleon IV: 1879-1914 (abdicated)
Napoleon V: 1914-1922 (abdicated)

Not to you personally Douglas, but ...
Will there ever be a French emperor not named Napoleon?

[DrakeRlugia]

Originally Posted by Lord Grattan

Not to you personally Douglas, but ...
Will there ever be a French emperor not named Napoleon?

I guess it's just one of those names -- the French monarchy was very connected to the name Louis (there were eighteen, nineteen depending on who you ask) compared to only ten French Kings named Charles, four named Henri, and so on. The Empire was connected to Napoléon, since the first was no doubt so great. You could possibly see other names pop up, but the Cult of Napoléon would be very prevalent. Not sure what other names -- maybe those based on the other brothers? Joseph, Jerome, Lucien?

[Douglas]

Originally Posted by Lord Grattan

Not to you personally Douglas, but ...
Will there ever be a French emperor not named Napoleon?

You would need someone out of the blue to want to become Emperor in opposition to the Bonapartes. The French kings thought it presumptuous to hold the title of Emperor, and I can't imagine a Bonaparte having it within himself to refuse the mystique of the name of Napoleon.

[fortyseven]

Kingdom of England

Henry I (1100-1135) - House of Normandy
Robert I* (1135-1155) - House of Normandy
William III (1155-73) - House of Normandy

*Oldest illegitimate son of Henry I.

[TheNordicBrit]

Originally Posted by fortyseven

Kingdom of England

Henry I (1100-1135) - House of Normandy
Robert I* (1135-1155) - House of Normandy
William III (1155-73) - House of Normandy

*Oldest illegitimate son of Henry I.

So I take it that at some point during 'The Anarchy' Robert either turned on Matilda, Matilda dies or he never swore loyalty to her originally? And thus he became King...