|
|
|
#1
May 21st, 2004, 04:37 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
What if the British Empire was far stronger before WWII
Lets say in 1929 the british empier pulls a Rome in making there pound the single unit for all the crown colones and by WWII she useing all the manpower for home and the empier and so you blokes know i add 75 million pepole to 1.25 billion at the time of out breake of ALT war all 3 domions have 100 million between them and hears what the navys look like and the ARMYs of the CW reach to 34,5000,000 man
RN & EMPIER NAVYS AS OF September 1939 AND SHIPS BEEN BUILT Royal Navy 26 BATTELSHIPS BATTELSHIPS 12 32KTS FAST Lion Class 18” GUN SHIPS HMS Lion LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Invincible LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Dreadnought LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Queen LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Russell LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Irresistible LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Caesar LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Mars LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Magnificent LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Vengeance LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Prince George LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Jupiter LAID DOWN 1937 5 25KTS 15”GUN QUEEN ELIZABETH CLASS SHIPS AND OTHERE SHIPS HMS Queen Elizabeth LAID DOWN 1913 HMS Warspite LAID DOWN 1913 HMS Valiant LAID DOWN 1914 HMS Barham LAID DOWN 1914 HMS Malaya LAID DOWN 1915 2 RENOWN CLASS BATTLE CRUIERS HMS Repulse LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Renown LAID DOWN 1916 1 HOOD CLASS HMS Hood LAID DOWN 1916 6 Fast 15” GUN KGVS 1936,BATTELSHIPS HMS Price of Wales LAID DOWN 1936 HMS King George V LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Duke of York LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Anson LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Howe LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Exmouth LAID DOWN 1938 FLEET CARRIERS 6 MALTA CLASS HMS Malta LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Indomitable LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Illustrious LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Victorious LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Formidable LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Implacable LAID DOWN 1939 7LIGTH FLEET CARRIERS HMS Ark Royal LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Courageous LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Glorious LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Furious LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Eagle LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Hermes LAID DOWN 1919 HMS Argus LAID DOWN 1917 RN CRUISERS OF 8”& 6”GUNS THERE ARE 20 8” CRUISERS 3DEVONSHIRE CLASS HMS Devonshire LAID DOWN 1928 HMS Sussex LAID DOWN 1928 HMS Nofolk LAID DOWN 1928 1LONDON CLASS HMS London LAID DOWN 1927 4 KENT CLASS HMS Kent LAID DOWN 1926 HMS Berwick LAID DOWN 1926 HMS Cumberland LAID DOWN 1926 HMS Suffolk LAID DOWN 1926 EXETER CLASS HMS Exeter LAID DOWN 1929 HMS York LAID DOWN 1928 10 8” GUN ALDERSHOT CLASS UNDER 1936 PROGRAM HMS Aldershot LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Exmoor LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Seaford LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Bristol LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Swindon LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Sidmouth LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Oxford LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Cambridge LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Kingswood LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Barrhead LAID DOWN 1937 41 6” GUN CRUISERS 4 LEANDER CLASS . HMS Leander LAID DOWN 1931 HMS Orion LAID DOWN 1932 HMS Achilles LAID DOWN 1932 HMS Ajax LAID DOWN 1934 2 ARETHUSA CLASS HMS Arethusa LAID DOWN 1934 HMS Aurora LAID DOWN 1936 5 SOUTHAMPTON CLASS HMS Newcastle LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Sheffield LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Birmingham LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Glasgow LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Liverpool LAID DOWN 1936 1 IMPROVED SOUTHHAMPTON HMS Belfast LAID DOWN 1938 3 DIDO CLASS 5.25 GUN SHIPS HMS Dido LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Euryalus LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Phoebe LAID DOWN 1939 6 FIJI CLASS HMS Bermuda LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Gambia LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Jamaica LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Kenya LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Mauritius LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Nigeria LAID DOWN 1939 3CALEDON CLASS HMS Caledon LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Calypso LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Caradoc LAID DOWN 1916 5 CERES CLASS HMS Cardiff LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Ceres LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Coventry LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Curacoa LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Curlew LAID DOWN 1917 4 CARLISLE CLASS HMS Cairo LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Carlisle LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Capetown LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Colombo LAID DOWN 1918 5 DURBAN CLASS HMS Dane LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Dauntless LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Durban LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Despatch LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Diomede LAID DOWN 1918 2 HAWKINS CLASS HMS Frobisher LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Hawkins LAID DOWN 1916 1 EMERALD CLASS HMS Emerald LAID DOWN 1918 RN DESTROYERS BUILT BEFOR MAJOR REPLACMENT PORGRAM STARTING IN 1936 28 W & V TYPES HMS Vega LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Velox LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Walpole LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Vanessa LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Vanity LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Vimy LAID DOW 1917 HMS Wolfhound LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Winchester LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Winchelsea LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Westmintler LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Windsor LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wrestler LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Valorous LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Walker LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Westcott LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Vivien LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Vivacious LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Vanco LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Vanquisher LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Watchman LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Verdun LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Versatile LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Vesper LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Vidette LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wallace LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wolsey LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Woolston LAID DOWN 1918 6 CAMPBELL CLASS HMS Douglas LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Campbell LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Montrose LAID DOWN 1917 HMS Mackey LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Malcolm LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Keppel LAID DOWN 1918 5 V TYPE HMS Thorycroft LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Viceroy LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Viscount LAID DOWN 1916 HMS Wishart LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Witch LAID DOWN 1918 11 ADMIRALTY MODIFIED W.” HMS Withshed LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Witherington LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wivern LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wolverine LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Worcester LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Vansittart LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Venomous LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Verity LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Voluntreer LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Wanderer LAID DOWN 1918 HMS Whitehall LAID DOWN 1918 2 A TYPE HMS Amazon LAID DOWN 1926 HMS Ambuscade LAID DOWN 1926 2 ADMIRALTY TYPE LEADERS HMS Duncan LAID DOWN 1930 HMS Codrington LAID DOWN 1928 4 ESCAPADE CLASS HMS Escapade LAID DOWN 1931 HMS Forester LAID DOWN 1932 HMS Fury LAID DOWN 1932 HMS Fame LAID DOWN 1932 1 ADMIRALTY TYPE LEDER. HMS Faulknor LAID DOWN 1932 1 GALLANT CLASS HMS Gallant LAID DOWN 1934 4 ISIS CLASS HMS Isis LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Impulsive LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Ilex LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Icarus LAID DOWN 1936 20 TRIBAL CLASS BIULT UNDER EMERGENCY PORGAM WHEN JAPAN WALKS OF 1936 LONDON NAVY CONFERENCE HMS Tribal LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Nubian LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Tartar LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Eskino LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Ashanti LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Pelican LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Pellew LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Marne LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Opportune LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Nugent LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Paladin LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Noble LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Magic LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Menace LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Ossory LAID DOWN1937 HMS Marvel LAID DOWN 1937 HMS Mandate LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Manners LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Pasley LAID DOWN 1938 HMS Orfrod LAID DOWN 1938 17 L CLASS HMS Lochinvar LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Liewellyn LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lennox LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lawford LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Leonidas LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lucifer LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Laertes LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lysander LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lance LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lookout LAID DOWN 1939 HMS loyal LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Legion LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Laforey LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Louis LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Lassoo LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Laurel LAID DOWN 1939 HMS Liberty LAID DOWN 1939 SLOOPS 6 SANDWICH CLASS HMS Leith LAID DOWN 1933 HMS Falmouth LAID DOWN 1932 HMS Milford LAID DOWN1932 HMS Rochester LAID DOWN 1931 HMS Scarborough LAID DOWN 1930 HMS Sandwich LAID DOWN 1928 3 ABERDEEN CLASS HMS Aberdeen LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Fleetwood LAID DOWN 1936 HMS Highflyer LAID DOWN 1938 1 STORK HMS Stork LAID DOWN 1936 RN SUBMARINES 7 H CLASS SUBMARINES H28 H32 H33 H34 LAID DOWN 1918 H43 H44 H50 LAID DOWN 1919 3 P CLASS P552, P512, LAID DOWN 1919 L CLASS L23,L26,27 LAID DOWN 1918/19 4OBERON CLASS OBERON ,OTWAY, LAID DOWN 1926 OSIRIS , OUTUS , LAID DOWN 1928 3 PORTEUS CLASS PROTUES, PANGORA, LAID DOWN 1929 ROVER LAID DOWN 1930 4 STURGEON CLASS STURGEON LAID DOWN 1929 SEALION LAID DOWN 1931 SEAWOLF LAID DOWN 1933 SUNFISH LAID DOWN 1934 FLEET OILERS 50 IN ALL ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY 6AUSTRAIAN NAVY 15” GUN KGV CLASS BATTLESHIPS ALL 6 SHIPS LAID DOWN AT JERVIS BAY NSW AUSTRALIAN HMAS Australia LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Dominion LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Commonwealth LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS New South Wales LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Victoria LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Queensland LAID DOWN 1938 6 LIGTH FLEET ARK ROYAL CAIRRERS HMAS Tasman LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Bass strait LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Jervis Bay LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS SPENCER LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Carpentaria LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Capeyork LAID DOWN 1938 12 ALDERSHOT CLASS HMAS Canberra LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Sydney LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Melbourne LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Brisbane LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Adelaide LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Perth LAID DOWN 1936 HAMS Hobart LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Darwin LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Wollongong LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Parramatta LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Sale LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Roto LAID DOWN 1937 12 SOUTHHAMPTON CLASS HMAS Gunnedah LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Graffon LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Port Macquarie LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Darmick LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Tongo LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Batemans Bay LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Berri LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Yunta LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Urana LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Alice Springs LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Bowen LAID DOWN 1938 HMAS Mooba LAID DOWN 1938 20 TRIBAL CLASS DESTROYERS HMAS Arunta LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Warramamunga LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Kurnai LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Condamine LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Murchison LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Shoalhaven LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Barcoo LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Baewon LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Burdekin LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Culgoa LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Hawkesbury LAID DOWN 1936 HMAS Lachlan LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Moruya LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Narooma LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Kiama LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Ulladulla LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Bega LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Orbost LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Geelong LAID DOWN 1937 HMAS Nowra LAID DOWN 1937 20 L CLASS DESTROYERS HMAS Swan LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Warrego LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Ararat LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Ballarat LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Bathurst LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Bendigo LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Bunbury LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Bundaberg LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Castlemaine LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Cessnock LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Colac LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Cootamundra LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Cowara LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Platypus LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Stawell LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Goulburn LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Strahan LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Warrnambool LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Whyalla LAID DOWN 1939 HMAS Wagga LAID DOWN 1939 AND 15 FLEET OILERS ROYAL NEW ZEALND NAVY 3 KGV CLASS BATTLESHIPS BUILT IN WELINGTON HMNZS New Zealand LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Wellington LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Christchurch LAID DOWN 1938 6 ALDERSHOT CRUISERS HMNZS Ackland LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Hasting LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Castlepoint LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Te pirita LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Owen River LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Gore LIAD DOWN 1937 6 SOUTHHAMPTONS CLASS HMNZS Hokitika LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Charleston LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Ahaura LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Rotorua LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Blenheim LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Fox Glagier LAID DOWN 1938 15 TRIBAL CLASS HMNZS Acorn LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS alarm LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Brisk LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Sheldarke LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Cameleon LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Nemesis LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Nereide LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Nymphe LAID SOWN 1936 HMNZS Hope LAID DOWN 1936 HMNZS Larne LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Lyra LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Martin LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Minstrel LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Redpole LAID DOWN 1937 HMNZS Rifleman LAID DOWN 1937 15 L CLASS HMNZS Ruby LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Badger LIAD DOWN 1939 HMNZS Hornet LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Hind LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Hydra LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Goshawk LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Defender LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Druld LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Jackal LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Tigrees LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Lapwing LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Lizard LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Sandfly LAID DOWN 1939 HMNZS Ferret LIAD DOWN 1939 HMNZS Forester LAID DOWN 1939 10 FLEET OILERS ROYAL CANADIAN NAVY 6 KGV CLASS BATTELSHIPS BUILT AT QUEBEC HMCS New Brunswick LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Quebec LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Ontario LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Manitoba LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Saskatchewan LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Canada LAID DOWN 1937 12 ALDERSHOT CLASS HMCS Moncton LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Gagon LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Harrison LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS St Lawrence LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Malartic LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Prince Alber LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Humboldt LAID DOWM 1936 HMCS Falher LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Vancouer LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Tanzace LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Buick LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Fierside LAID DOWN 1937 6 LIGTH FLEET CAIRRERS ARK ROYAL CLASS HMCS Hudson Bay LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Cobot LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Labrador LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Ontario LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Superior LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Georgian LAID DOWN 1937 12 SOUTHHAMPTON CLASS HMCS Achilles LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Cochrane LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Warrior LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Defence LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Shannon LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Minotaur LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Ontario LAID DOWN 1938 HMCS Border City LAID DOWN 1938 HMCS Fort Francis LAID DOWN 1938 HMCS Rockciffe LAID DOWN 1938 HMCS Sault LAID DOWN 1938 HMCS Ste Marie LAID DOWN 1938 20 TRIBAL CLASS HMCS Haida LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Horon LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Iroquois LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Athabaskan LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Cayuga LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Micmac LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Nootka LIAD DOWN 1936 HMCS Crescent LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Crusader LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Algonquin LAID DOWN 1936 HMCS Sioux LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Lake LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS ST John LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Royalmount LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Orkney LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Wentworth LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS New Brunswick LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Ottawa LIAD DOWN 1937 HMCS North Bay LAID DOWN 1937 HMCS Earfalls LAID DOWN 1937 20 L CLASS HMCS Black Prince LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Leviathan LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Swiftsure LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Diamdond LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Skirmisher LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Patrol LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Keg River LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Hudsons Hope LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Little Smoke LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Lower Post LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Tuchitua LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Nelson Forks LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Dall Island LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Auke Bay LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Hunter Island LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Warren Island LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Yale LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Faro LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Yakutart LAID DOWN 1939 HMCS Auke LAID DOWN 1939 15 FLEET OILERS ROYAL INDIAN NAVY 7 KGV CLASS BULT AT BOMBAY & CALCUTTA HMIS Calcutta LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Bombay LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Punjab LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Bangalore LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Baroda LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS West Bengal LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS India LAID DOWN 1938 12 ALDERSHOT CLASS HMIS Nagercoil LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Tirunelveli LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Tuticorin LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Virudunagan LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Tiruchchendur LAID DOWN1936 HMIS Tondi LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Madurai LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Dindigul LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Kumbakonam LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Attur LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Cuddlore LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Tindivanam LAID DOWN 1937 12 SHOUTHHAMPTONS CLASS HMIS Tiruavannamalai LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Madras LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Gudur LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Nellore LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Ongole LAID DOWN1937 HMIS Guntur LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Tenali LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Colombo LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Vijayawada LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Machilipatnam LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Gudivada LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Eluruy LAID DOWN 1938 25 TRIBAL CLASS HMIS Thiruvananthapuram LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Kollam LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Alappuzha LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Kochi LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Kottayam LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Valparai LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Thrissur LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Palakkat LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Coimbatore LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Trippur LAID DOWN 1936 HMIS Erode LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Salem LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Dharmapuri LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Kozhikode LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Badagara LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Kannur LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Mysore LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Mandya LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Madliker LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Hassan LAID DOWN 1937 HMIS Kasaragod LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Mangalore LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Udupi LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Kumta LAID DOWN 1938 HMIS Karwar LAID DOWN 1938 25 L CLASS HMIS Sirsi LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Ranibennur LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Chitradurga LIAD DOWN 1939 HMIS Bhadravatia LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Sira LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Tumkur LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Panji LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Venguria LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Ratnagiri LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Srivardhan LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Sangli LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Karad LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Pandhapur LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Satara LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Poona LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Ahmadnagar LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Nashik LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Manmad LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Baroda LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Mhow LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Bengal LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Sikar LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Nagaur LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Godhra LAID DOWN 1939 HMIS Agra LAID DOWN 1939 15 FLEET OILERS 
|
|
#2
May 21st, 2004, 05:14 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Well, the outcome is pretty obvious. If WW2 does occur then Britain will be in a better position to fight it. I assume that the expansion that the RN has benefited from is also the case with the RAF. A Battle of Britain in this TL will be less in the balance as the RAF wins a comfortable victory. And the war in the pacific may be avoided altogether or fought largely with British forces.
|
|
#3
May 21st, 2004, 05:15 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
and hear are the ship BB & CA tpyes
KGV, UK Battelship laid down 1936 Displacement: 69,922 t light; 73,311 t standard; 78,521 t normal; 82,376 t full load Loading submergence 2,580 tons/feet Dimensions: 999.00 ft x 120.00 ft x 35.00 ft (normal load) 304.50 m x 36.58 m x 10.67 m Armament: 12 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 4 guns, 1 superfiring turret) 20 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (10 2nd turrets x 2 guns) 55 - 1.57" / 40 mm AA guns 66 - 0.80" / 20 mm guns Weight of broadside 21,820 lbs / 9,898 kg Armour: Belt 16.00" / 406 mm, ends unarmoured Belts cover 115 % of normal area Main turrets 16.00" / 406 mm, 2nd turrets 7.00" / 178 mm AA gun shields 1.00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 2.00" / 51 mm Armour deck 8.39" / 213 mm, Conning tower 16.00" / 406 mm Torpedo bulkhead 3.25" / 83 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 5 shafts, 305,800 shp / 228,127 Kw = 33.00 kts Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts Complement: 2,345 - 3,048 Cost: £31.318 million / $125.272 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2,728 tons, 3.5 % Armour: 30,593 tons, 39.0 % Belts: 6,563 tons, 8.4 %, Armament: 6,647 tons, 8.5 %, Armour Deck: 14,014 tons, 17.8 % Conning Tower: 636 tons, 0.8 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 2,733 tons, 3.5 % Machinery: 8,580 tons, 10.9 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 27,871 tons, 35.5 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,599 tons, 11.0 % Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.2 % Metacentric height 7.2 Remarks: Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Relative margin of stability: 1.05 Shellfire needed to sink: 103,204 lbs / 46,813 Kg = 61.2 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits) Torpedoes needed to sink: 15.3 (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship) Relative steadiness as gun platform: 76 % (Average = 50 %) Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.62 Relative quality as seaboat: 1.21 Hull form characteristics: Block coefficient: 0.655 Sharpness coefficient: 0.40 Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.14 'Natural speed' for length: 31.61 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim: 63 (Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100) Estimated hull characteristics & strength: Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 76.0 % Relative accommodation and working space: 212.7 % (Average = 100%) Displacement factor: 113 % (Displacement relative to loading factors) Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.00 (Structure weight / hull surface area: 218 lbs / square foot or 1,065 Kg / square metre) Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.02 (for 29.00 ft / 8.84 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 6.13 ft) Relative composite hull strength: 1.00 Lion class, UK Battelship laid down 1936 Displacement: 119,296 t light; 125,220 t standard; 142,992 t normal; 156,637 t full load Loading submergence 3,740 tons/feet Dimensions: 1,199.00 ft x 166.00 ft x 47.00 ft (normal load) 365.46 m x 50.60 m x 14.33 m Armament: 12 - 18.00" / 457 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 4 guns, 2 superfiring turrets) 20 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (10 2nd turrets x 2 guns) 150 - 1.56" / 40 mm AA guns 175 - 0.80" / 20 mm guns Weight of broadside 36,769 lbs / 16,678 kg Armour: Belt 18.50" / 470 mm, ends unarmoured Belts cover 100 % of normal area Main turrets 22.50" / 572 mm, 2nd turrets 5.25" / 133 mm AA gun shields 1.00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 2.00" / 51 mm Armour deck 10.00" / 254 mm, Conning tower 25.00" / 635 mm Torpedo bulkhead 5.66" / 144 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 6 shafts, 358,316 shp / 267,304 Kw = 32.00 kts Range 29,000nm at 15.00 kts Complement: 3,676 - 4,779 Cost: £49.793 million / $199.174 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 4,596 tons, 3.2 % Armour: 52,683 tons, 36.8 % Belts: 9,478 tons, 6.6 %, Armament: 9,833 tons, 6.9 %, Armour Deck: 24,216 tons, 16.9 % Conning Tower: 1,486 tons, 1.0 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 7,671 tons, 5.4 % Machinery: 10,054 tons, 7.0 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 51,763 tons, 36.2 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 23,696 tons, 16.6 % Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.1 % Metacentric height 12.3 Remarks: Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Relative margin of stability: 1.07 Shellfire needed to sink: 222,650 lbs / 100,992 Kg = 76.4 x 18.0 " / 457 mm shells (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits) Torpedoes needed to sink: 59.4 (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship) Relative steadiness as gun platform: 88 % (Average = 50 %) Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.31 Relative quality as seaboat: 1.24 Hull form characteristics: Block coefficient: 0.535 Sharpness coefficient: 0.38 Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7.02 'Natural speed' for length: 34.63 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 % Trim: 71 (Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100) Estimated hull characteristics & strength: Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 55.6 % Relative accommodation and working space: 173.9 % (Average = 100%) Displacement factor: 130 % (Displacement relative to loading factors) Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.08 (Structure weight / hull surface area: 294 lbs / square foot or 1,434 Kg / square metre) Relative longitudinal hull strength: 0.98 (for 25.64 ft / 7.82 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment -0.14 ft) Relative composite hull strength: 1.00 ALDERSHOT CLASS, UK CRUISER laid down 1936 Displacement: 16,483 t light; 17,173 t standard; 18,838 t normal; 20,095 t full load Loading submergence 1,156 tons/feet Dimensions: 877.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load) 267.31 m x 21.34 m x 6.10 m Armament: 12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4 Main turrets x 3 guns, 2 superfiring turrets) 12 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (6 2nd turrets x 2 guns) 25 - 1.56" / 40 mm AA guns 35 - 0.80" / 20 mm guns Weight of broadside 3,751 lbs / 1,702 kg 8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes Armour: Belt 3.00" / 76 mm, ends unarmoured Belts cover 88 % of normal area Main turrets 4.00" / 102 mm, 2nd turrets 2.00" / 51 mm AA gun shields 1.00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 1.00" / 25 mm Armour deck 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower 8.00" / 203 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 109,936 shp / 82,012 Kw = 32.08 kts Range 8,800nm at 15.00 kts Complement: 803 - 1,045 Cost: £7.396 million / $29.583 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 469 tons, 2.5 % Armour: 3,106 tons, 16.5 % Belts: 607 tons, 3.2 %, Armament: 879 tons, 4.7 %, Armour Deck: 1,498 tons, 7.9 % Conning Tower: 122 tons, 0.6 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % Machinery: 3,085 tons, 16.4 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,724 tons, 51.6 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,355 tons, 12.5 % Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 % Metacentric height 3.3 Remarks: Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Relative margin of stability: 1.06 Shellfire needed to sink: 31,892 lbs / 14,466 Kg = 124.6 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits) Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.9 (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship) Relative steadiness as gun platform: 78 % (Average = 50 %) Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0.69 Relative quality as seaboat: 1.37 Hull form characteristics: Block coefficient: 0.537 Sharpness coefficient: 0.32 Hull speed coefficient 'M': 10.08 'Natural speed' for length: 29.61 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 % Trim: 57 (Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100) Estimated hull characteristics & strength: Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 73.7 % Relative accommodation and working space: 202.0 % (Average = 100%) Displacement factor: 144 % (Displacement relative to loading factors) Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.21 (Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs / square foot or 740 Kg / square metre) Relative longitudinal hull strength: 0.94 (for 23.11 ft / 7.04 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 5.92 ft) Relative composite hull strength: 1.00
|
|
#4
May 21st, 2004, 05:51 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
With the Br. Empire dropping out of the Washington treaty like this I can see the US matching the Br. navy Ship for Ship . Also were would the New Zealand navy get the men to man its ships . As well as the rest of the empire
rember the Br. empire at the end of the war could not man all of its ships it had . Last edited by Ward; May 21st, 2004 at 07:49 PM..
|
|
#5
May 21st, 2004, 06:00 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Fairly, mild to extremely unrealistic. The Lion class is a bit extreme for use in European waters. It beggers the question of how either Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia would pay for, let alone man, all these ships. For India I would wonder how they would just pay for them.
I do agree with the naval historian D.K. Brown that it is likely that the British retained too many WWI era battleships. With the amount of new construction the older ships, like the Queen Elizabeth, Revenge and Repulse classes should have been scrapped.
|
|
#6
May 21st, 2004, 10:08 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
But back to a stronger Empire the decision to have the Pound be convertible to gold in the post war years (when Churchill was Chancellor of the Exchequer) probably damaged British and Empire economy more than WWI. And had the British earlier listened to one of her great sons - J.M. Keynes (who actually was part of the British delegation at Versailles) - the depression to a large degree could have been avoided - and an extended naval construction programme could have been an important part. The OTL British rearmament programme started in 1936, mainly as a reaction to the Italian invasion of Abyssinia in 1935. If we have Mussolini or some other jerk do something similar earlier I guess we will also have the rearmament start earlier. The OTL 1936 programme planned to build 18 BB's before 1948 of which the KGV's were the first five, the Lion I's and Vanguard the next (as well as loads of other vessels), so in order to have them all finished by 1939 we need a major threat to the Empire in 1927. I believe Japan then was in political chaos and financially bankrupt, and Italy probably in a similar state financially- any other ideas? Regards Steffen Redbeard
|
|
#7
May 22nd, 2004, 07:12 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Well lets see as to ship building. Hitlers niaze partys on the riase as in our time but hes puting more in to ship bulding from 1933 on woulds and plan Z well under way and the domions are a lot lager POD Australia has 40 million with canada 40 million all so New Zealand has 20 million and are a lot richer.
In the 19 centry the US Civil runs for all most 8 long years so pepole are looking to go some where othere then the US and one last thing the UK know of the 18inc gun ships been built in japan .
|
|
#8
May 22nd, 2004, 07:56 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
What if Hitler had 13,000,000 men, 40 000 tanks, 35 000 planes incluing 12 500 jets, a fully complete Z-plan navy and 4 nukes on 22nd of june 1941? :P
Maybe mine is slightly less realistic, but not that much. Obviously, in either case, theyd wipe the floor with their opponents.
|
|
#9
May 22nd, 2004, 08:25 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Just looking the thing over a bit more carefully, the British can't "pull a Rome" - whatever that means or implies - in 1929, let alone any other time. How can she? Invade the Dominions? Britain can't impress the Canadians to do anything they don't want to - mostly because of the neighbor to their south. I certainly don't see why there would be so many aircraft carriers built at a time when the true power of the aircraft carrier has not be proven yet.
|
|
#11
May 22nd, 2004, 11:08 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Now find the trained crew and the fuel for all those ships.
|
|
#12
May 22nd, 2004, 04:06 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Yes, I do know the difference between the Crown Colonies and Dominions, but I suspect the latter has the greater population than the former. 17inc said "Lets say in 1929 the british empier pulls a Rome in making there pound the single unit for all the crown colones and by WWII she useing all the manpower for home and the empier and so you blokes know..." Okay that would be the populations of Hong Kong, Gibralter, probably Malta, and probably the underperforming, unindustrialized Africa colonies. I have to admit that India occupies a position of neither colony or dominion. I'm fairly sure that their currancies were pretty much tied the performance of the British pound, tho if this would be a benefit economically I don't know.
|
|
#13
May 22nd, 2004, 05:02 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
India was indeed neither a Crown Colony nor a dominion- in 1876 it's title became officially the Indian Empire and the Queen appointed a Viceroy to rule it. It had it's own India Office and Secretary of State which were seperate from the Colonial Office.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
#14
May 22nd, 2004, 11:09 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
The only other Crown Colony I can think of is Cyprus.
Now looking at a list of Crown Colonies: Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Singapore, Malacca, Penang, Hong Kong, and some (not all) African colonies: British East Africa, Uganda, Nigeria (maybe), Gold Coast, Sierra Leone, Gambia (maybe), northern Rhodesia, Nyasaland. I pose the question on whether and how this British Empire has overcome racism by 1929. I doubt the high commanding officers in the Royal Navy will much mind the Maltese, Gibraltarians and Cypriots manning vessels (they are all European after all), or British descended East Africans or Hong Kongers. However I think they may all die of heart attacks at the sight of vessels manned by all Ibo or all Yoruba (both from Nigeria) crews. Also forcing the crown colonies to adopt the British pound would run into several problems: Firstly, that goes against the way the British have been administering their Empire since the early 1800s or before. The reason the British Empire lasted as long as it did and was dismantled as peacefully as it was, was because British administration was flexible. A colony could be a crown colony today, an autonomous one (with a legislative assembly) tomorrow and maybe a dominion next week. Or it could be a protectorate (like Swaziland) instead of colony. Or a mandate (e.g. Tanganyika). Adopting the pound in a case like Jamaica would be foolish as the country went from autonomous colony with it own legislative assembly to crown colony (rule from London) and back to having its own assembly again and all in less that 15 years during the 1800s. In that case the colony would have its own currency, be forced to adopt the pound and then regain its currency. Sounds like an economic rollercoaster. Secondly, forcing the adoption of the pound would only increase anti-imperial/anti-colonial/anti-British sentiment since a local currency was a symbol of autonomy and be forced to adopt another currency is only sure to stir up nationalistic feelings. This will only weaken the British Empire, not strengthen it. On the surface the Empire would look more united, but beneath it would probably to start to rot. Thirdly, adoption of the pound could have some serious economic consequences. If the local people prefer their old currencies and continue to use them, then the supply of The Pound would increase, but demand would not and so the pound may lose some of its value relative to other currencies. And what of cases where the local currency may have been slightly stronger than the Pound? I doubt the local people would want to change to the Pound. And if memory serves me correctly, Scotland prints its own local Pound and it would look a bit silly to enforce the Pound on the Crown Colonies, when the Pound is not the sole currency of the UK itself. And look on the Crown Dependencies (as opposed to Colonies) which were in a special relationship with Britain, e.g. Isle of Man, the Channel Islands. These are closer physically to the UK (and many outsiders consider them a direct part of the UK- how mistaken they are) and they have their own currencies.
|
|
#15
May 22nd, 2004, 11:54 PM
|
|||||
|
|||||
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
A Brother to Dragons The Eschatology and Apocalypse of St. Michael the Archangel In the Court of the Winter Queen A Brother to Dragons side story
|
|
#16
May 23rd, 2004, 12:19 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Ze Plane, Ze Plane
More SuperFleet fantasies.
What is interesting to carry the absurdity further and posit that the buildup is all naval--esp. the heavy surface ships which is just so damn important in SuperFleet fantasies, but Army and RAF are not any stronger. We can have a situation where NOBODY COMES OUT TO PLAY That is Hitler decides the Kriegsmarine cannot compete on the surface and emphasizes U-Boats and airpower. Italy decides either not to get involved or if it does get involved abandons Africa and pursues a fleet in being policy, hoping for the war to be won in Russia. America is po'd because the RN forced them to play SuperFleet as well so Lend Lease and other support is much smaller if at all. There is a limit to Japanese stupidity so they behave themselves. This is still World War II so Nazis lose eventually but it has more to do with T-34s than 18" gunned SuperFleet battleships which end up as razor blades in the mid 1950's never having fired a shot in anger. Welcome to Springsharp Island.
|
|
#17
July 19th, 2006, 10:15 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Hitller isn't blind or foolish. He can see all this buildup and realizes he can't match it.
So he doesn't try. He notes how well the Uboat did in WWI and builds lots more of them, and bigger with better torpedoes; the kind that can sink even big BBS. When war comes he bottles up the RN in harbor and does a much more effective job of sinking food coming from the US. Starvation forces the British surrender by 1943.
|
|
#18
July 19th, 2006, 10:28 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
|
|
#19
July 19th, 2006, 10:30 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
__________________
This is the best signature in the history of Earth.
|
|
#20
July 19th, 2006, 10:44 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Churchill once said that the only time he thought the British might lose the war was when it seemed they were losing the Battle of the Atlantic. Of course, he also said that his main worry was that the US would not enter the war eventually. I think the Germans would still lose, but to the US and Russia. Hopefully, Britain would scuttle her fleet before giving it to the Germans.
|
 |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Linear Mode
