Henry V dies at 16

[Grey Wolf]

ie he never becomes Henry V

The TV programme I am watching somewhere on cable implies this is after Shrewsbury

He had a facial-skull wound and only the expertise of the surgeon brought in to operate saved him...so what if this surgeon doesnt get there, or is ambushed etc

What if Henry dies ? Whither the dynasty then ?

Grey Wolf

[Matthew Craw]

There's still John isn't there, and at least one other brother?

The French might get to fight their civil war with only peripheral British intervention. The Burgundian position would seem to be weakened, but OTOH the Orleanist/Dauphinist faction would not come to be seen as the kingdom's defenders against foreign invasion.

[DMA]

Originally Posted by Matthew Craw

There's still John isn't there, and at least one other brother?

Yup, there's John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset, & a sister, Joan. John, incidently, is the great grandfather of Henry VII on the male side of the line. Queen Catherine, on the other hand, the wife of Henry V is also the mother of Edmund Tudor who is the father of Henry VII. So an early death of Henry V sees no Royal House of Tutor and the House of Lancaster lasts but 14 years. The House of Beaufort, however, might be able to carry on for a century or so depending who the OTL mother of Henry VII, Margaret Beaufort, married. Then again the Throne might pass to Margaret's Uncle, Edmund Beaufort, the Duke of Somerset, who's desendants carry on to about the time the OTL Henry VII comes to the Throne.

Either way, a House of Beaufort ensures that the War of the Roses, the contest for the English Throne between the Yorks & the Lancasters, is missed entirely as the House of Beaufort is without doubt the next in line should Henry V die young as suggested. Whether this non-event, this major distraction, effects what happens on the Continent shouldn't be forgotten as a united England, free of civil war, can take on a rather divided France, albeit at a later date than the OTL adventures of Henry V.

[Grey Wolf]

A good point David - after Henry come Thomas, Duke of Clarence; then John, Duke of Bedford; followed by the youngest, Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester.

So we would have had King Thomas I and probably a radically different foreign policy

That is, assuming that the death of Prince Henry doesn't give the rebels such a kickstart that they are successful in overthrowing the dynasty

Grey Wolf