The NEW Our TimeLine Maps Thread!

[Gryphon]

Quick request, not too important: world maps of þe height of the Persian empire and of the Macedonian empire under Alex T. Great. Danke.

[Looseheadprop]

IS there a standard world map which has the princely states marked on it, i'd like it for a map im making.

[eddie]

A question for Knight Templar, What book are those scanned maps from? I have to have it.

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by eddie

A question for Knight Templar, What book are those scanned maps from? I have to have it.

Link
fillerfiller

[eddie]

Thank you very much! I'm definetly ordering it.

[frankolio]

could you make that on the big OTL map of europe?

[euio]

Originally Posted by Looseheadprop

IS there a standard world map which has the princely states marked on it, i'd like it for a map im making.

Indeed there is.

[Looseheadprop]

Originally Posted by euio

Indeed there is.

but can i have a link, ive spent days looking for it

[euio]

Originally Posted by Looseheadprop

but can i have a link, ive spent days looking for it

The rest of this map is prety inaccurate, but the Princely States are correct.

[Chris S]

Districts for the General Government. It's on wikipedia/wikimedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...rnatorstwo.jpg

Here:



Map for the puppet Serbia which had primary administrative divisions (Okruzi/"counties") and secondary administrative divisions (Srezovi/"districts") including the Banat which was officially an Okrug of the puppet Serbia but run by a local German administration in an autonomous fashion.

Here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...941_44_Map.png



One for the reichskommissariat of Ukraine, again with primary and secondary districts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...UkraineMap.png



And this (although it has errors in the northern border of Ukraine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...iatukraine.png

And Ostland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskommissariat_Ostland



Note how the administrative divisions in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania seemed to be of a slightly different nature to the ones in Belorussia/Belarus.


And WWII Bulgaria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...uring_WWII.png



And WWII Romanian Transnistria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T...romaneasca.png

I think the WWII era Romanian administrative divisions can also be found on wiki, but they may require some adjustment with the Hungarian and Bulgarian border changes.

WWII Slovakia (counties and districts):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...rative_Map.png



And interestingly it seemed that there was an area under German military occupation but defined as a "protection zone" in the western border strip of Slovakia. In this case that area might well be coloured like the other occupied areas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...derHungary.png

Bohemia-Moravia (counties and districts):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect...e_Subdivisions



Bohemia-Moravia seemed complex as administratively it was divided into "two lands; Böhmen (Bohemia) and Mähren (Moravia). Each of these was further subdivided into Oberlandratsbezirke ((??? higher level districts/regions????), each comprising a number of Bezirke (districts? regions?)." It also seems that the intention was for Bohemia and Moravia to be divided up amongst the surrounding gaue and reichsgaue in the future....either that or Bohemia and Moravia was divided amongst the surrounding gaue/reichsgaue for party administrative purposes (party based activities I guess) while it had it's own administrative divisions for governing purposes (unlike in Germany itself where the party divisions had superseded the Lander).

And WWII Croatia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countie...ate_of_Croatia




Also a maps for France



Perhaps the northern sections such as the part attached to Brussels (pink-purple) and the part intended for German settlement (orange - this was probably going to become the Burgundy state/reichskommissariat, but was still part of France at the time) could be depicted by the same kind of dashed border for the border between Germany and the General Government or the Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia.

I think the area on the map though depicted as the Italian occupation zone in green on the map actually included the areas annexed to Italy (minor border areas), the areas occupied by Italy (thin border strip) and a demilitarized area to the west of the Italian occupied zone.

Here's some other maps of France showing what I was referring to above although in the first one, the green area shows the area under Italian "supervision" after 1942 I believe (except for Corsica of course which had been occupied prior to 1942):

http://images.google.com.jm/imgres?i...icial%26sa%3DG



I think Zones 3 and 5 were to become a Burgundian state and Zone 4 had been "incorporated" into the administration set up in Brussels.

Zone 6, 9 (except for Corsica) and 8 were the free zone of Vichy France from 1940-1942 I think.

Also here:

http://images.google.com.jm/imgres?i...icial%26sa%3DN



The text in the link is from some encyclopedia of mass violence (I guess an encyclopedia of war) which has a pretty detailed textual outline of how France was divided into various zones of occupation, annexation, restricted entry etc.

Also:

http://images.google.com.jm/imgres?i...icial%26sa%3DN



And this one outlines the situation best I believe. And it's French. By the way the home site for this map has some really good maps. And the legends aren't too hard to figure out if you don't happen to speak French:

http://www.atlas-historique.net/1914...ce1940-44.html




Here is a map for Greece. Note in particular that Bulgaria seemed to have an occupation zone around Chalcidice (that 3 fingered peninsular area in Greek Macedonia) that was only taken over by Germany in July 1943. I don't know if this was an area occupied by Bulgaria with the intention to annex it after the war was over in favour of the Axis or if it had been annexed upon the original partition of Greece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T..._of_Greece.png

[Thande]

Good source maps, Chris S

I think Zones 3 and 5 were to become a Burgundian state

Oh no, even the Nazis were infected by the Inevitability of Burgundy!

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Thande

Oh no, even the Nazis were infected by the Inevitability of Burgundy!

Yes, yes even they couldn't seem to stop themselves from popping a bottle of.....oh, you were referring to the area. Well yes. But it could have been worse. They could have thought of establishing Vandalia in Rome or Tunis!

Originally Posted by Thande

Good source maps, Chris S

Yes, and if you pop over by the OTL 'Standard' Maps of Europe thread you'll find a link to a wonderful site that has Hungarian interval divisions going back to 1038 AD. And there's another one with digital copies of a 1942 era "Ostland Atlas collection".


Well seeing as how it was fun to dig up those maps, I figured I might as well move forward and show some relevant maps from the Cold War era for everyone's enjoyment (note, some maps may appear sideways):

US Cold War military commands:



NATO Areas of Responsibility (with USSR military districts in the western USSR):




NATO's Allied Forces Central Europe (AFCENT) area of responsibility:



USSR Theatres of Strategic Military Action (TSMAs/TMAs or TVDs), 1975:



southern TVD of the USSR:



southwestern TVD of the USSR:



western TVD of the USSR:



military districts and groups of forces of the USSR:

[Qazaq2007]

Here's the updated version of my full color map of Africa w/ internal divisions for all nations. The governorate boundaries in Egypt have been modified, and two new governorates were carved out of Al Jizah (Giza) governorate, first, the 6 October governorate, formerly the western 90% of Giza, and second, Helwan, carved out of most of the remainder of Giza, and part of Al Qahira (Cairo) governorates, thus reducing Giza governorate down to basically the city of Giza itself. Also the regional borders in Somalia have been modified as well. I am making no attempt to show the qasi-independent breakaway areas in Somalia, due to the rapidly fluctuating, and ill-defined borders between them, so I am still treating Somalia as a single country for now, until things settle down, if ever.

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Here's the updated version of my full color map of Africa w/ internal divisions for all nations. The governorate boundaries in Egypt have been modified, and two new governorates were carved out of Al Jizah (Giza) governorate, first, the 6 October governorate, formerly the western 90% of Giza, and second, Helwan, carved out of most of the remainder of Giza, and part of Al Qahira (Cairo) governorates, thus reducing Giza governorate down to basically the city of Giza itself. Also the regional borders in Somalia have been modified as well. I am making no attempt to show the qasi-independent breakaway areas in Somalia, due to the rapidly fluctuating, and ill-defined borders between them, so I am still treating Somalia as a single country for now, until things settle down, if ever.

Spectacular, Q-man. Spectacular.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Thande

Spectacular, Q-man. Spectacular.

Thanks, man.

[Qazaq2007]

Here's the link to the source map of Egypt that I have used to redraw the Egyptian governorate borders on my Africa map. I know the map looks kind of touristy, but at least it is accurately drawn, and shows the governorate boundary system as of a couple of months ago, considering the map was published this past August. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t-map-idsc.gif

[Philip]

Wow, I don't remember OTL ever resembling that.

[037771]

Originally Posted by Philip

Wow, I don't remember OTL ever resembling that.

Tarnations, I mixed up my threads...

[rcduggan]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Here's the updated version of my full color map of Africa w/ internal divisions for all nations. The governorate boundaries in Egypt have been modified, and two new governorates were carved out of Al Jizah (Giza) governorate, first, the 6 October governorate, formerly the western 90% of Giza, and second, Helwan, carved out of most of the remainder of Giza, and part of Al Qahira (Cairo) governorates, thus reducing Giza governorate down to basically the city of Giza itself. Also the regional borders in Somalia have been modified as well. I am making no attempt to show the qasi-independent breakaway areas in Somalia, due to the rapidly fluctuating, and ill-defined borders between them, so I am still treating Somalia as a single country for now, until things settle down, if ever.

Holy ***** on a ***** sandwich that is a nice map!

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by rcduggan

Holy ***** on a ***** sandwich that is a nice map!

Thanks, man. Busted major hump, in drawing this map.