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Old October 14th, 2007, 06:47 PM
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Hitler avoids war.

An incident on the Polish border is settled diplomatically in 1939. Hitler assiduously avoids war, tho the USSR, US, UK and France sometimes push many issues.

Hitler stays in power until the early 50's (how and exactly when he leaves is up to you).

What happens?
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Old October 14th, 2007, 07:12 PM
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Short of ASBs Hitler is sooner or later invade Eastern Europe.
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Old October 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM
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what if Stalin invades first, and gets beaten?
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Old October 14th, 2007, 08:48 PM
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From which ATL are you posting, N14? Hitler wanted war, you'll have to change his personality for that. (And quite suddenly, because I don't see him succeed with Anschluss and Sudetenland, let alone occupation of Czechia, if he's less reckless.) He even said shortly before WW2: "I fear that some schweinehund may come up in the last minute with a compromise."
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Old October 14th, 2007, 08:57 PM
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Maybe a change in 19th century "racial science", where Slavs are classified as "Nordic", that may cause Hitler to seek expansion elsewhere (Asia, Africa, etc. )
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Old October 15th, 2007, 04:17 AM
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Hitler avoiding war is pure ASB. Hitler wanted war because Hitler wanted conquest. He was power hungry and territory hungry. Hitler wanted to own and rule the whole world, all of it. He wanted a worldwide Third Reich, and the only way to get that was to invade other countries and that meant war.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 05:28 AM
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Hitler avoiding war is pure ASB. Hitler wanted war because Hitler wanted conquest. He was power hungry and territory hungry. Hitler wanted to own and rule the whole world, all of it. He wanted a worldwide Third Reich, and the only way to get that was to invade other countries and that meant war.
Yes, more or less. I think he'd settle for a German-dominated Earth, but this is more directly expansive than many of us give him credit for these days. Remember that he had marked the German-China border on his personal map; I am also rather certain that he would have wished to govern the "Aryan" Anglosphere directly.

The Latin powers, Japan, Iran, Boer Zudafrika, and other acceptable allies would have had to toe the line pretty closely; and I presume the Reich would have kept a monopoly on atomic weapons, and that if anyone else made a play for them, Milan or Sapporo would have gone up in smoke.

I also believe that not only Jews and Gypsies but Slavs, Africans and perhaps others would have been annihilated. In totum.

The problem with us worldly-wise modern types is that we don't take what people say seriously. Hitler demonstrated over and over again that this was a serious mistake.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 05:38 AM
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The German economy crashes. The depression in the Reich which follows make 1932 look like a minor readjustment. Communist take power by legal means.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 06:04 AM
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Hitler avoiding war is pure ASB. Hitler wanted war because Hitler wanted conquest. He was power hungry and territory hungry. Hitler wanted to own and rule the whole world, all of it. He wanted a worldwide Third Reich, and the only way to get that was to invade other countries and that meant war.
But then Hitler had his priorities. In OTL, the priority was to expand eastwards first, conquering the (as he thought) "inferior slavs", and after building his then go to war with USA or Britain. He thought the rest of the World-- Africa, Asia etc, were best ruled by Britain, at least for a while.

WI 19th century racists do not think that Slavs are "inferior", and there is even a racial fascist movement in Russia and Hitler instead looks to Africa for 'living space'? Hitler could gear up for war with Russia after he conquers territory elsewhere, only to die of various diseases.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 06:56 AM
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But then Hitler had his priorities. In OTL, the priority was to expand eastwards first, conquering the (as he thought) "inferior slavs", and after building his then go to war with USA or Britain. He thought the rest of the World-- Africa, Asia etc, were best ruled by Britain, at least for a while.
WI 19th century racists do not think that Slavs are "inferior", and there is even a racial fascist movement in Russia and Hitler instead looks to Africa for 'living space'? Hitler could gear up for war with Russia after he conquers territory elsewhere, only to die of various diseases
Problem is, i 1930s Africa was already taken by Britain, France, Italy, Belgium and Potugal. Hitler wouldn't have been able to find Lebensraum there without war with European powers.
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