If you wait you may become King of Sweden

[arctic warrior]

If you wait you may become King of Sweden!

The saying refer to the situation in Sweden 1808-09 when during the Napoleonic wars had lost Finland to Russia and tried to conquer Norway in compensation for lands lost.

Under Russian pressure Denmark 1808 declared war on Sweden. Russia moved into Finland and Sweden tried to take Trondheims Len in central Norway. Field Marshall Duke Christian August, regent of Norway led the successful defence and repulsed the Swedish assault.
Marshall Bernadotte was to land in Sweden with a French army of 26000 a large part of which were Spanish troops. When Napoleon occupied Spain the Royal Navy transported 9000 Spanish troops from Nyborg in Funen to Spain.
1809 the last of Napoleons troops left Denmark.
The Swedish invasion army negotiated a settlement in Norway and the marched on Stockholm toppling mad King Gustav 4. King Frederick 6 of Denmark were offered the throne but rejected on the grounds of the Swedish coup-makers being insurgents. Gustav’s uncle Karl 13 was then elected King but being without offspring a heir was needed and Duke Christian August was then approached and at the peace negotiations in Jönköping December 10., 1809 Frederick 6 allows Christian August to accept the offer. The Swedish hope was that Christian August would be willing to incorporate Norway into Sweden as a compensation for the loss of Finland. This was rejected by Christian August.
Christian August dies 1810 of a heartattack and Frederick 6 is once again brought up as successor but Sweden wants Christian August’s brother, Frederick Christian who is blockaded in his home by Frederick 6th because of fears of having the age old strife of Sleswig-Holstein versus Denmark reinvigorated.
The Swedes then go for an approval of Frederick Christian by Napoleon but ends up with Bernadotte.

But WI Frederick 6 had accepted the Swedish proposal?

[wannis]

A united Scandinavia...
The rest would have probably depended on Frederick VI's conduct. Was he the absolutist type, or would he have respected Sweden's own laws and Riksdag?
I assume he would still go along with Napoleon (not much choice); would anyone have wanted to separate Sweden and Denmark-Norway again at Vienna?
I'd assume with all three Scandinavian nations united under one crown, there may have been less reason for Norwegian independence. I don't know the dynamics - what would have been more likely, three kindoms with separate institutions under one crown, or a real union, with a common government and Riksdag (in some kind of federal structure)?
Would such a united Scandinavia have fared better in the equivalent to OTL German-Danish war? Would it have happened?

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by wannis

A united Scandinavia...
The rest would have probably depended on Frederick VI's conduct. Was he the absolutist type, or would he have respected Sweden's own laws and Riksdag?
I assume he would still go along with Napoleon (not much choice); would anyone have wanted to separate Sweden and Denmark-Norway again at Vienna?
I'd assume with all three Scandinavian nations united under one crown, there may have been less reason for Norwegian independence. I don't know the dynamics - what would have been more likely, three kindoms with separate institutions under one crown, or a real union, with a common government and Riksdag (in some kind of federal structure)?
Would such a united Scandinavia have fared better in the equivalent to OTL German-Danish war? Would it have happened?

He was something of an absolutist if not as bad as commonly held. IMO he would have respected laws and the Riksdag - probably going for a personal union.
This could give the opportunity to get off Napoleon but that would be somekind of uneasy neutrality. On the other hand it would be able to avoid I think the famine of Norway by having grain ships hug the west coast of Sweden. And Denmark had had its navy removed by the British - how could it get any worse? But 1813 Frederick could join the coalition and thus keep the Kingdoms together! That would keep Norway from independence keeping its status in the Danish Kingdom.
I know too little on Vienna to make any guess on possible separation, but given the attitude of the Zar wouldn't he let Frederick keep it all? Keeping Swedish Pommerania would spell trouble 1848. But again I know too little of Vienna, but Oddball may have an answer.
For starters I'd envision a personal union with Denmark-Norway, Holstein and Sweden plus maybe Swedish Pommerania. Later on Scandinavism might root to make the foundation for a common parliament/Riksdag perhaps with several chambers/chancelleries but retaining the three Kingdoms (that would somehow be in line with Denmark and Norway, but I don't know if it would offend the Swedes?).
Then come 1848 with a much better prepared Danish-Norwegian-Swedish Kingdom. With an internal market and having a merchant fleet, a large navy, larger army, metals, agricultural products and a larger Norwegian population - less or no famine 1807-14!
But come 1854/1864 I am unsure of events.

[arctic warrior]

Territory of Danish-Norwegian-Swedish Union 1809. And of course The Faeroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland.

[Oddball]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

He was something of an absolutist if not as bad as commonly held. IMO he would have respected laws and the Riksdag - probably going for a personal union.
This could give the opportunity to get off Napoleon but that would be somekind of uneasy neutrality. On the other hand it would be able to avoid I think the famine of Norway by having grain ships hug the west coast of Sweden. And Denmark had had its navy removed by the British - how could it get any worse? But 1813 Frederick could join the coalition and thus keep the Kingdoms together! That would keep Norway from independence keeping its status in the Danish Kingdom.
I know too little on Vienna to make any guess on possible separation, but given the attitude of the Zar wouldn't he let Frederick keep it all? Keeping Swedish Pommerania would spell trouble 1848. But again I know too little of Vienna, but Oddball may have an answer.
For starters I'd envision a personal union with Denmark-Norway, Holstein and Sweden plus maybe Swedish Pommerania. Later on Scandinavism might root to make the foundation for a common parliament/Riksdag perhaps with several chambers/chancelleries but retaining the three Kingdoms (that would somehow be in line with Denmark and Norway, but I don't know if it would offend the Swedes?).
Then come 1848 with a much better prepared Danish-Norwegian-Swedish Kingdom. With an internal market and having a merchant fleet, a large navy, larger army, metals, agricultural products and a larger Norwegian population - less or no famine 1807-14!
But come 1854/1864 I am unsure of events.

I think it all depends very mutch on what side Frederick comes down on when he is chosen as heir to the Swedish crown. And when this happens!

IMHO you wont see a danish change of side until Napoleon clearly is loosing in Russia.

At Vienna I find it reasonable that the three countries is "allowed" keep a singel king, but then as a union of three independent kingdoms.

Anyhow I find it unlikely that Pommerania wont be given to Prussia at Vienna.

There is also the problem of Frederick VI himself beeing heirless.

Anyhow, a Scandinavia with a singel king and close ties to Britain would make for interesting times if the second Slesvig war still happens...

[Oddball]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

If you wait you may become King of Sweden!

The saying refer to the situation in Sweden 1808-09 when during the Napoleonic wars had lost Finland to Russia and tried to conquer Norway in compensation for lands lost.

Under Russian pressure Denmark 1808 declared war on Sweden. Russia moved into Finland and Sweden tried to take Trondheims Len in central Norway. Field Marshall Duke Christian August, regent of Norway led the successful defence and repulsed the Swedish assault.
Marshall Bernadotte was to land in Sweden with a French army of 26000 a large part of which were Spanish troops. When Napoleon occupied Spain the Royal Navy transported 9000 Spanish troops from Nyborg in Funen to Spain.
1809 the last of Napoleons troops left Denmark.
The Swedish invasion army negotiated a settlement in Norway and the marched on Stockholm toppling mad King Gustav 4. King Frederick 6 of Denmark were offered the throne but rejected on the grounds of the Swedish coup-makers being insurgents. Gustav’s uncle Karl 13 was then elected King but being without offspring a heir was needed and Duke Christian August was then approached and at the peace negotiations in Jönköping December 10., 1809 Frederick 6 allows Christian August to accept the offer. The Swedish hope was that Christian August would be willing to incorporate Norway into Sweden as a compensation for the loss of Finland. This was rejected by Christian August.
Christian August dies 1810 of a heartattack and Frederick 6 is once again brought up as successor but Sweden wants Christian August’s brother, Frederick Christian who is blockaded in his home by Frederick 6th because of fears of having the age old strife of Sleswig-Holstein versus Denmark reinvigorated.
The Swedes then go for an approval of Frederick Christian by Napoleon but ends up with Bernadotte.

But WI Frederick 6 had accepted the Swedish proposal?

Oh, Christian August is one of my favourite late Scandinavian POD's
(along with the Danish foreign minister Bernsdorff).

But I belive you have mixed up a few things here. Tough Im one holyday untill next week, and cannot access my reference "library"

I will have to come back to this

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by Oddball

Oh, Christian August is one of my favourite late Scandinavian POD's
(along with the Danish foreign minister Bernsdorff).

But I belive you have mixed up a few things here. Tough Im one holyday untill next week, and cannot access my reference "library"

I will have to come back to this

Thanks look forward to that - what i'v come up with is somewhat confusing as to the events and especially the death of Christian August. In some sources mixed up with the death of Karl.

Originally Posted by Oddball

I think it all depends very mutch on what side Frederick comes down on when he is chosen as heir to the Swedish crown. And when this happens!

IMHO you wont see a danish change of side until Napoleon clearly is loosing in Russia.

At Vienna I find it reasonable that the three countries is "allowed" keep a singel king, but then as a union of three independent kingdoms.

Anyhow I find it unlikely that Pommerania wont be given to Prussia at Vienna.

There is also the problem of Frederick VI himself beeing heirless.

Anyhow, a Scandinavia with a singel king and close ties to Britain would make for interesting times if the second Slesvig war still happens...

If Christian August could live on until late 1812 and Frederick get the offer then AND accept, he should be able to join the coalition and keep all but at Vienna the three Kingsdoms are reformed into a Personal Union with Frederick as King. Pommerania goes to Prussia and Lauenburg does not go to Denmark.

The succession to Frederick will be solved someway and make for some interesting events unfolding.

Then liberalism - 1848 and pan-scandinavism!

[Analytical Engine]

This is one of the PoD's in Ill Bethisad.

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by Analytical Engine

This is one of the PoD's in Ill Bethisad.

Quite interesting but different preconditions.
I have something else in mind for the Scandinavian Union.

[arctic warrior]

On we go then with the TL.
Comments and well founded critique are most welcome.
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1807 July, Tsar Alexander and Napoleon meet in Tilsit for peace negotiations.
The Danish army is stationed in Holstein as an address to Britain of the Danish intentions to fight Napoleon, but Denmark-Norway wants freedom of the seas and Foreign Secretary Canning is of the opinion that Denmark is too week to resist Napoleon in the present situation.
August 16., a British fleet lands 30000 troops in Sjaelland and on August 29., Wellington fights the Sjaelland Landevaern (Home Guard) at Koege. September 2. the bombardment of Copenhagen is initiated and on September 7. Copenhagen capitulates. The Danish Navy is the prize of the British.
Because of the loss of the Navy Denmark and Norway are separated and a government commission is established in Norway headed by Duke Christian August.

1808 Tsar Alexander forces Denmark into war with Sweden. Sweden attacks Norway. 26000 French and Spanish troops under Marshall Bernadotte enter Jutland in anticipation of being landed in Scania.

1809 The Swedish army attacking Norway is repulsed and then marches on Stockholm toppling King Gustav 4. King Frederick 6 of Denmark-Norway is offered the Swedish crown but rejects the offer. Gustav’s Uncle Karl is then offered the crown and takes it as Karl 13. Duke Christian August, regent of Norway is offered the position as successor, as Karl 13 has no offspring and Frederick 6 allows this.
The events in Spain makes the British transport the 9000 Spanish troops in Denmark away.

[Hapsburg]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

The succession to Frederick will be solved someway and make for some interesting events unfolding.

IIRC, Frederick had kids. They just didn't survive to adulthood OTL. Just have some of them survive.

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by Hapsburg

IIRC, Frederick had kids. They just didn't survive to adulthood OTL. Just have some of them survive.

Frederick 6 had to daugthers Caroline married to prince Ferdinand (look up The Tallyrand Plan, by SteveW) and Vilhelmine married to Frederick 7 with his queen Marie Sofie Frederikke of Hesse-Kassel. A son and a daughter died in infancy.
With his mistress he had two sons and two daughters.

OTL he was succeeded by prince Christian Frederick son of Frederick who was the son of Frederick 5’s second marriage!
Christian Frederick is going to succeed Frederick 6 but things are going to change after that. Christian Frederick isn't going to play out just like OTL.

[arctic warrior]

A revised TL takes off:

1807 July: Tsar Alexander and Napoleon meet in Tilsit for peace negotiations.
The Danish army is stationed in Holstein as an address to Britain of the Danish intentions to fight Napoleon, but Denmark-Norway wants freedom of the seas and Foreign Secretary Canning is of the opinion that Denmark is too week to resist Napoleon in the present situation.
August 16.: a British fleet lands 30000 troops in Sjaelland and on August 29., Wellington fights the Sjaelland Landevaern (Home Guard) at Koege. September 2.: the bombardment of Copenhagen is initiated and on September 7.: Copenhagen capitulates. The Danish Navy is the prize of the British.
Because of the loss of the Navy Denmark and Norway are de facto separated and a government commission is established in Norway headed by Duke Christian August.

1808 Robbed of the navy King Frederick 6 see no alternative to join Napoleon. When Tsar Alexander declares war upon Sweden Denmark follow suit. Sweden attacks Norway. 26000 French and Spanish troops under Marshall Bernadotte enter Jutland in anticipation of being landed in Scania.

1809 The Swedish army attacking Norway is repulsed and then marches on Stockholm toppling King Gustav 4. King Frederick 6 of Denmark-Norway is offered the Swedish crown but rejects the offer. Gustav’s uncle, Karl is then offered the crown and takes it as Karl 13. Duke Christian August, regent of Norway is offered the position as successor, as Karl 13 has no offspring and Frederick 6 allows this.
The events in Spain makes the British transport the 9000 Spanish troops in Denmark away.

1810 Frederick ask Christian August to ensure the safe passage of grain ships from Denmark to Norway to combat famine. Because of his love of Norway, Christian August allows this which account for much Norwegian trust in the Royal House.
Being worried about handling his difficult position Christian August has a stroke while reviewing troops and dies. King Frederick 6 is offered the position as successor to the Swedish throne and accepts. Even if some in Sweden would have preferred Christian August’s brother, Duke Frederick Christian. Frederick 6 is able to manoeuvre himself into position and being an ally of Napoleon he is seen by some as the man to re-install grandeur of former days in the unification of the three Scandinavian Kingdoms. Effectively he is seen as a man who won’t tremble at resorting to force if need be. King Frederick goes to Stockholm for formal acknowledgement by the Swedish Riksdag.
On returning to Copenhagen Frederick posts a prescript to the effect of Danish being church, school and legal language in parts of Slesvig-Holstein where the common peoples speak Danish.

1811 The gathering of La Grande Armee commences.
The NorwegianUniversity is established in Kristiania.
Christian Frederick, son of Frederick who was the son of Frederick 5’s second marriage! is sent to Norway as regent.

1812 May: the war between Russia and the Osmannic Empire is ended by a peace treaty in Bukarest. Russia gains Bessarabia and parts of Moldova.
June, War of 1812 between Britain and the USA.
Napoleon and La Grande Armee enters Russia.
September: after the battle of Borodino the Russian army retreats and Napoleon enters Moscow on the 14. that burns on the next day.
October: Battle of QueenstownHeights. Napoleon leaves Moscow on the 19.
But with Napoleon on the run Frederick breaks away from alliance and enters into coalition with Russia, Prussia and Britain. The Scandinavian Kingdoms are to field an army of 50000 in Northern Germany. Britain is going to subsidy the Swedish contingent of 30000. Frederick insists on Prince Friedrich of Hesse as commander and Field Marshall von Fersen is commander of the Swedish contingent.
A Danish force is hurriedly in the middle of winter sent to Jutland to bolster defences. A determined French force moves into Holstein and proceeds into Slesvig and Jutland. The Danish forces take up flanking positions in Als and Funen after some skirmishing.

[Skarion]

I'm just planning to give you some corrections on your first post - as the history in it is incorrect:

If you wait you may become King of Sweden!

The saying refer to the situation in Sweden 1808-09 when during the Napoleonic wars had lost Finland to Russia and tried to conquer Norway in compensation for lands lost.

Under Russian pressure Denmark 1808 declared war on Sweden. Russia moved into Finland. The Napoleonic army attacked into Swedish Pommerania and a part of it was sent to attack into Jämtland under the command of Field Marshall Duke Christian August. Smaller assaults of about 600-2000 soldiers moved over the border from each side, burned a few villages and then moved back to their own side of the border again.
Marshall Bernadotte was to land in Sweden with a French army of 26000 a large part of which were Spanish troops. When Napoleon occupied Spain the Royal Navy transported 9000 Spanish troops from Nyborg in Funen to Spain.
1809 the last of Napoleons troops left Denmark.
As the Napoleonic army disapeared from Denmark the idea of an defense of Norway suddenly became slim as that there hadn't been a battle earlier but suddenly Sweden had a lot more soldiers then the Danish had.
The Swedish generals negotiated an settlement in Norway that in exchange of that Christian August would be offered the Swedish throne he wouldn't invade Sweden and then the Swedish army marched on Stockholm toppling King Gustav IV. Fredrik VI wanted to gain the Swedish throne but was refused as it would unify Sweden and Denmark, also he didn't have a good reputation as that he had harboured some of the nobles that had supported Gustav III's coup in Sweden. Gustav’s uncle Karl XIII was elected King as to make the procedure of having Christian August elected king legal. At the peace negotiations in Jönköping December 10., 1809 Frederick VI allows Christian August to become crown prince of Sweden.
Christian August dies 1810 while inspecting Swedish troops. May have been a murder or may have been other reasons, like an heartattack, but no one knows. Frederick VI tries to gain the Swedish throne (one of the ways he tried to get it was by sending out air baloons over Sweden with propaganda papers), though he was never viewed as an plausible candidate. Frederick Christian was discussed (though never serieusly) but was blockaded in his home by Frederick VIth because of fears of having the age old strife of Sleswig-Holstein versus Denmark reinvigorated.
Sweden goes and tries to get the Eugène de Beauharnais as king but was refused, though as after a splinter from the Swedish riksdag goes on his own and offer Jean Bernadotte the crown Swedish history change as Jean Bernaddote happend to have enough money to pay the Swedish loans and also had the support of Napoleon...

Fredrik VI was NEVER an plausible option.

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

If you wait you may become King of Sweden!

The saying refer to the situation in Sweden 1808-09 when during the Napoleonic wars had lost Finland to Russia and tried to conquer Norway in compensation for lands lost.

Under Russian pressure Denmark 1808 declared war on Sweden. Russia moved into Finland and Sweden tried to take Trondheims Len in central Norway. Field Marshall Duke Christian August, regent of Norway led the successful defence and repulsed the Swedish assault.
Marshall Bernadotte was to land in Sweden with a French army of 26000 a large part of which were Spanish troops. When Napoleon occupied Spain the Royal Navy transported 9000 Spanish troops from Nyborg in Funen to Spain.
1809 the last of Napoleons troops left Denmark.
The Swedish invasion army negotiated a settlement in Norway and the marched on Stockholm toppling mad King Gustav 4. King Frederick 6 of Denmark were offered the throne but rejected on the grounds of the Swedish coup-makers being insurgents. Gustav’s uncle Karl 13 was then elected King but being without offspring a heir was needed and Duke Christian August was then approached and at the peace negotiations in Jönköping December 10., 1809 Frederick 6 allows Christian August to accept the offer. The Swedish hope was that Christian August would be willing to incorporate Norway into Sweden as a compensation for the loss of Finland. This was rejected by Christian August.
Christian August dies 1810 of a heartattack and Frederick 6 is once again brought up as successor but Sweden wants Christian August’s brother, Frederick Christian who is blockaded in his home by Frederick 6th because of fears of having the age old strife of Sleswig-Holstein versus Denmark reinvigorated.
The Swedes then go for an approval of Frederick Christian by Napoleon but ends up with Bernadotte.

But WI Frederick 6 had accepted the Swedish proposal?

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by Skarion

I'm just planning to give you some corrections on your first post - as the history in it is incorrect:

If you wait you may become King of Sweden!

The saying refer to the situation in Sweden 1808-09 when during the Napoleonic wars had lost Finland to Russia and tried to conquer Norway in compensation for lands lost.

Under Russian pressure Denmark 1808 declared war on Sweden. Russia moved into Finland. The Napoleonic army attacked into Swedish Pommerania and a part of it was sent to attack into Jämtland under the command of Field Marshall Duke Christian August. Smaller assaults of about 600-2000 soldiers moved over the border from each side, burned a few villages and then moved back to their own side of the border again.
Marshall Bernadotte was to land in Sweden with a French army of 26000 a large part of which were Spanish troops. When Napoleon occupied Spain the Royal Navy transported 9000 Spanish troops from Nyborg in Funen to Spain.
1809 the last of Napoleons troops left Denmark.
As the Napoleonic army disapeared from Denmark the idea of an defense of Norway suddenly became slim as that there hadn't been a battle earlier but suddenly Sweden had a lot more soldiers then the Danish had.
The Swedish generals negotiated an settlement in Norway that in exchange of that Christian August would be offered the Swedish throne he wouldn't invade Sweden and then the Swedish army marched on Stockholm toppling King Gustav IV. Fredrik VI wanted to gain the Swedish throne but was refused as it would unify Sweden and Denmark, also he didn't have a good reputation as that he had harboured some of the nobles that had supported Gustav III's coup in Sweden. Gustav’s uncle Karl XIII was elected King as to make the procedure of having Christian August elected king legal. At the peace negotiations in Jönköping December 10., 1809 Frederick VI allows Christian August to become crown prince of Sweden.
Christian August dies 1810 while inspecting Swedish troops. May have been a murder or may have been other reasons, like an heartattack, but no one knows. Frederick VI tries to gain the Swedish throne (one of the ways he tried to get it was by sending out air baloons over Sweden with propaganda papers), though he was never viewed as an plausible candidate. Frederick Christian was discussed (though never serieusly) but was blockaded in his home by Frederick VIth because of fears of having the age old strife of Sleswig-Holstein versus Denmark reinvigorated.
Sweden goes and tries to get the Eugène de Beauharnais as king but was refused, though as after a splinter from the Swedish riksdag goes on his own and offer Jean Bernadotte the crown Swedish history change as Jean Bernaddote happend to have enough money to pay the Swedish loans and also had the support of Napoleon...

Fredrik VI was NEVER an plausible option.

I never found anything on French/Napoleonic troops being transported to Norway to form part of Christian August' force.

Frederick VI rejected being offered the Swedish throne because of his grandfathers Frederick 5 daughter Sofie Magdalene being the grandmother of Gustav 4, thus he didn't want any affiliation with the Swedish insurgents.

In the Danish perspective Frederick VI was a plausible option.

[arctic warrior]

August: Supported by British and French Super-Ingiald's the Scandinavian Union land troops on Bornholm, Gotland and Aaland Isles retaking them all but suffering heavy losses in assault troops.
With the Scandinavian Union focused on retaking the Baltic Islands the Soviet forces continue their advance south in Sweden towards Luleaa. In Norway the Soviets enter Finnmark.
Shipment of Scandinavian troops from the colonies begin and new troops are raised in the West Indies, Ghana, Togo, Cameroon and Papua to replace those shipped off. The departure of veteran troops from Ghana, Togo, Cameroon and Papua have the local Independence movements step up their activities and attack the newly raised units.

In Poland the Soviets resume the offensive pushing the Poles and FGN back to Minsk.
As the Soviets advance new Soviet aircraft appear in the skies – Seversky monoplane fighters and light bombers as well as heavy bombers. Used to drive Polish and FGN planes off the battle field, harass their ground troops and bomb Warsaw, Minsk and Königsberg!

In Austria-Croatia the army evacuate Bosnia after an unsuccessful attempt at retaking Zagreb, fortifying a line in Illyria. Defence of Ljubljana is taken over by FGN troops fresh from the fighting in Poland.
The situation in Poland and Austria-Croatia have the FGN government declare general mobilization.

[Skarion]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

I never found anything on French/Napoleonic troops being transported to Norway to form part of Christian August' force.

Frederick VI rejected being offered the Swedish throne because of his grandfathers Frederick 5 daughter Sofie Magdalene being the grandmother of Gustav 4, thus he didn't want any affiliation with the Swedish insurgents.

In the Danish perspective Frederick VI was a plausible option.

As far as the sources I've read (a few not so credited as Alf Henriksson and others) the Napoleonic forces were split under command in Norway and in Pommerania. Though no numbers of what actualy constituted the Napoleonic forces in Norway - the only numbers I've read are for the numbers that attacked into Pommerania and attacked into Jämtland.

And Fredrik VI was never offered the crown (AFAIK) from the Swedish riksdag, even if he may have been offered the crown by the Swedish rejects that lived at the Danish court at the time.

[arctic warrior]

Originally Posted by Skarion

As far as the sources I've read (a few not so credited as Alf Henriksson and others) the Napoleonic forces were split under command in Norway and in Pommerania. Though no numbers of what actualy constituted the Napoleonic forces in Norway - the only numbers I've read are for the numbers that attacked into Pommerania and attacked into Jämtland.

And Fredrik VI was never offered the crown (AFAIK) from the Swedish riksdag, even if he may have been offered the crown by the Swedish rejects that lived at the Danish court at the time.

What is the definition of "Napoleonic" forces?
French - French allies - Danish - Norwegian?
AFAIK no forces were transported to Norway post 1807 - you might know why!

I never pointed to the Riksdag as the offers of the crown - according to Danish sources it was offered by the coup makers...which Frederick VI rejected as their being insurgents. (He was quite autocratic you know)

[Skarion]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

What is the definition of "Napoleonic" forces?
French - French allies - Danish - Norwegian?
AFAIK no forces were transported to Norway post 1807 - you might know why!

I never pointed to the Riksdag as the offers of the crown - according to Danish sources it was offered by the coup makers...which Frederick VI rejected as their being insurgents. (He was quite autocratic you know)

Actually I don't know what the defintion of Napoleonic forces are. The sources (even those from the time in question that I've read) only mentions them as Napoleonic forces - though in the way they talk about them it sounds like it's from more then one state that gathered there. And yes, I know no forces were moved to Norway post 1807.

And the insurgent (oh I wish I had the books on the subject here and not back there I grew up) Carl Johan Adlercreutz (I guess it's him you ment?) had promised the crown unto Augustus far earlier so I doubt he would also promise it unto Fredrik VI, especielly as:
- He didn't like Fredrik VI.
- He considered him dangerous as Fredrik VI supported some of Adlercreutz political enemies.
- He considered Austus to be a better way to fit his means to get the Norwegians to further their discussions with Sweden (Norway had held since Gustav III discussions with Sweden about an union - though Sweden demanded too much and failed in the wars too heavily to make it real at any times before Karl IV Johan).

[Oddball]

Originally Posted by arctic warrior

I never found anything on French/Napoleonic troops being transported to Norway to form part of Christian August' force

I concur. Only Norwegian peasant soldiers under CA's command