Tar sands and oil shales are conventional crude oil?

[PMN1]

Way way before 1900 but I don’t think they would have too much influence before 1900.

What if the tar sand and oil shale deposits that existed worldwide were actually formations at about 5km depth containing conventional light crude oil recoverable in the same quantities as estimated as being recoverable from tar sands and oil shales at these sites.

[Mike Stearns]

Originally Posted by PMN1

Way way before 1900 but I don’t think they would have too much influence before 1900.

What if the tar sand and oil shale deposits that existed worldwide were actually formations at about 5km depth containing conventional light crude oil recoverable in the same quantities as estimated as being recoverable from tar sands and oil shales at these sites.

Canada becomes the world's gas station.

[Khib yusa]

Greetings,

No one will giove a damn about the Middle East at all. The British Empire will be able to keep itself afloat due to using the processed oil for the Navy, RAF (later on I know), Army, Merchant Navy and any Pro-Empire company or regime. The Middle East should be a hell of a lot more stable as you won't have the majority of the world powers faffing about with it. It will onl;y be the religious aspects that are the main issue.

France might have tried a bit harder to keep Canada, or attempted to re-take it later on. You might see Russia actually trying to move further East into Canada since they'd still have Alaska at this point.

It'd also be a major thing for Japan to get a hold of for its war machine. So maybe a Japanese Empire focussing upon North America rather than Asia.

Just a couple of ideas...

Regards,

Khib Yusa

[PMN1]

When would the 5km depth stop being a problem, it isn't a problem now due to the technology but ME fields are shallower and easier to get at in the early 1900's.

[1940LaSalle]

Originally Posted by Khib yusa

Greetings,

No one will giove a damn about the Middle East at all. The British Empire will be able to keep itself afloat due to using the processed oil for the Navy, RAF (later on I know), Army, Merchant Navy and any Pro-Empire company or regime. The Middle East should be a hell of a lot more stable as you won't have the majority of the world powers faffing about with it. It will onl;y be the religious aspects that are the main issue.

France might have tried a bit harder to keep Canada, or attempted to re-take it later on. You might see Russia actually trying to move further East into Canada since they'd still have Alaska at this point.

It'd also be a major thing for Japan to get a hold of for its war machine. So maybe a Japanese Empire focussing upon North America rather than Asia.

Just a couple of ideas...

Regards,

Khib Yusa

I'll disagree on a few points:

* By the time the hydrocarbon industry got anywhere past infancy (and we're talking approximately 1870), France was long gone from Canada, and Russia had already sold off Alaska to the US. Not a snowball's chance in hell France be able to retake it, given the Royal Navy's existence and the trouncing they'd just received at the hands of the Prussians.

* I doubt Japan would have attempted to get to interior North America to get to the more solid hydrocarbon deposits when they probably would have lacked the technology to use them in the first place: they were far closer to liquid crude, and would probably have set up their refining industry to handle it--and there's not the problem with the wastes from oil shale, either, to be handled by a relatively small island nation.

There are also considerable oil shale deposits in Wyoming and neighboring states, so that there might be two competing oil communities (for lack of a better word) in the US: one centered around liquid crude in TX, OK, and LA; the other, around oil shale deposits in WY and neighboring states. That would probably mean the population of the Great Plains would be greater than it is today.

[DuQuense]

You get JR vs Blake for control of the Colorado oil fields.