Adolf and amphetamines

[masteroftheveiledthreat]

It is almost certain that Hitler took a lot of amphetamines and downers the last few years of his life. What if he never took any amphetamines or anything like them, what difference would it have made?

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by masteroftheveiledthreat

It is almost certain that Hitler took a lot of amphetamines and downers the last few years of his life. What if he never took any amphetamines or anything like them, what difference would it have made?

He got allot of the stuff in his blood, but the problem is that Hitler not take them self.
It was his doctor Theodore Morell who inject "Vitamultin" into Hitler posteriors
"Vitamultin" was mixture of amphetamines.
because of this Morell nickname was "Reichsspritzenmeister" (eng: The Reich's Injections Master)
by the way
doctor Theodore Morell also prescribe pills for Hitler
at end of War Hitler taking 28 different pills a day

[Dave Howery]

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

No quack, more reasonable Hitler?

[BlondieBC]

Originally Posted by Tongera

No quack, more reasonable Hitler?

Yes, that is a logical conclusion.

What % of people make better decision as drug addicts than before they became addicted? Very close to 0.

[Cook]

It is also worth noting that British Prime Minister Anthony Eden was taking large doses of an amphetamine and barbiturate combination called Drinamyl during the Suez Crisis. Drinamyl was banned in 1978, among its side effects are listed that is can cause impaired judgement, paranoia and detachment with reality.

And of course John Kennedy was was receiving regular large injections of amphetamine from Dr Jacobson (“Dr Feelgood”) during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[mosodake]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

Strychnine, like amphetamines, acts as a stimulant at low doses. Athletes used to take it to improve endurance. They used to give it to racehorses as well.

[Dave Howery]

Originally Posted by mosodake

Strychnine, like amphetamines, acts as a stimulant at low doses. Athletes used to take it to improve endurance. They used to give it to racehorses as well.

maybe, but if a doctor told me that he was going to give me an injection of strychnine because it was good for me, I'd at least get a second opinion. Apparently, one of the reasons Morrell gave him the injections was because, along with all the other abuse Hitler did to his health, he also got by on very little sleep every night...

[BlondieBC]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

maybe, but if a doctor told me that he was going to give me an injection of strychnine because it was good for me, I'd at least get a second opinion. Apparently, one of the reasons Morrell gave him the injections was because, along with all the other abuse Hitler did to his health, he also got by on very little sleep every night...

But were the dangers understood back then?

The questions is more would your grandfather or great-grandfather have refused the shot?

[masteroftheveiledthreat]

Maybe I should have mentioned this was inspired by "The medical casebook of Adolf Hitler : his illnesses, doctors, and drugs" by Leonard L. Heston. Very interesting.

[Snake Featherston]

None whatsoever as Hitler retaining all centralized power in his hands is strategically unworkable and by 1944 the gap in favor of the Allies is incapable of changing in the favor of the Axis regardless of what the Axis do or do not do.

[Snake Featherston]

Originally Posted by Tongera

He could have avoided the pressure if he wasn't an idiot (war with the USA (largest industrial power), UK (largest navy and Emprie) and the Soviet Union (largest land army)).

Hitler has a major dilemma here, however.

Originally Posted by Tongera

I agree with you about bringing Germany back into a great power. He was still an idiot for fighting three of the powers i mentioned at the same time.

For you see Hitler didn't want to defeat the UK and destroy the British Empire, as he made clear over and over again. But he also didn't rate the USA very highly as a military power (which to be fair, the US Army did display major weaknesses in force structure, especially in infantry, but it didn't matter in terms of WWII as it was), while he was guaranteed unless he had really, really, really, really, really, really fucked up the invasion of France to go to war with the Soviet Union. An invasion that as he deliberately sets it up, he can only fail and leave himself in an impossible situation of waging a major unwinnable war in the East while facing the impending catastrophe in the West.

If Nazis weren't real, they'd be called a near-perfect situation for a novel, the villains just threatening enough to scare the pants off of everyone but for inherent reasons incapable of ever closing their victories fully. Like if someone had tried to take High Fantasy Dark Lords and make them real life rulers of a state subject to the rules of logistics and the iron law of attrition.

[jmc247]

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

For you see Hitler didn't want to defeat the UK and destroy the British Empire, as he made clear over and over again. But he also didn't rate the USA very highly as a military power (which to be fair, the US Army did display major weaknesses in force structure, especially in infantry, but it didn't matter in terms of WWII as it was), while he was guaranteed unless he had really, really, really, really, really, really fucked up the invasion of France to go to war with the Soviet Union. An invasion that as he deliberately sets it up, he can only fail and leave himself in an impossible situation of waging a major unwinnable war in the East while facing the impending catastrophe in the West.

It wasn't the American troops that were the real threat to Germany it was the massive aid to the Soviets and the UK through Lend Lease. What most people don't get is that was coming in if Hitler did or did not declare war on the US he still would have lost. He did so he could get at those ships openly. He vastly overestimated the abilities of his U-Boat fleet. I actually suspect Hitler wouldn't have declared war after Pearl Harbor if the U.S. hadn't just given the Soviet's Lend Lease and multi billion dollar loans. Hitler wasn't that demented and insane as of 1941, but there were certainly signs he was becoming demented. Amphetamines was actually a pretty common treatment for Parkinsonian dementia back then as they had no real treatment for it.

Lend Lease made certain defeat for Germany if the U.S. did or did not enter the war, without it Germany could have fought the Soviet's and the UK to a draw and held on to a good chunk of Europe

[masteroftheveiledthreat]

Originally Posted by jmc247

It wasn't the American troops that were the real threat to Germany it was the massive aid to the Soviets and the UK through Lend Lease. What most people don't get is that was coming in if Hitler did or did not declare war on the US he still would have lost. He did so he could get at those ships openly. He vastly overestimated the abilities of his U-Boat fleet. I actually suspect Hitler wouldn't have declared war after Pearl Harbor if the U.S. hadn't just given the Soviet's Lend Lease and multi billion dollar loans. Hitler wasn't that demented and insane as of 1941, but there were certainly signs he was becoming demented. Amphetamines was actually a pretty common treatment for Parkinsonian dementia back then as they had no real treatment for it.

Lend Lease made certain defeat for Germany if the U.S. did or did not enter the war, without it Germany could have fought the Soviet's and the UK to a draw and held on to a good chunk of Europe

OK, now if the Nazis don't declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor how does FDR sell continuing Lend Lease when its getting whammed by Japan?

[Urban fox]

Originally Posted by Snake Featherston

Hitler has a major dilemma here, however.



For you see Hitler didn't want to defeat the UK and destroy the British Empire, as he made clear over and over again. But he also didn't rate the USA very highly as a military power (which to be fair, the US Army did display major weaknesses in force structure, especially in infantry, but it didn't matter in terms of WWII as it was), while he was guaranteed unless he had really, really, really, really, really, really fucked up the invasion of France to go to war with the Soviet Union. An invasion that as he deliberately sets it up, he can only fail and leave himself in an impossible situation of waging a major unwinnable war in the East while facing the impending catastrophe in the West.

If Nazis weren't real, they'd be called a near-perfect situation for a novel, the villains just threatening enough to scare the pants off of everyone but for inherent reasons incapable of ever closing their victories fully. Like if someone had tried to take High Fantasy Dark Lords and make them real life rulers of a state subject to the rules of logistics and the iron law of attrition.

I think Stalin fits that bill, he was both sane & utterly evil with a mostly sane goverment under him acting for logical reasons (at least insofar as sustaining his own power was concerned). Hitler and his goons were a bunch of nutcases.